The official name of the Church?

RomanRite said:

Hahaha! Me too, and the fact that ex Catholics become Pastors and teach there is no need for " man made tradition and rules " yet they celibrate christmas and easter which is Catholic tradition.

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Or the ones that teach in no holidays because they are all Pagan traditions. I had an uncle once who gave me a book called "The Two Babylons: Or the Papal Worship" and it was all about how the Catholic Church was awful and the "harlot of Babylon" and the Pope was like the antichrist but it also condemned all of the traditions of regular old Christianity. Too bad I lost that book. LOL.

AMDG said:

Didn't know that the LCMS changed the Nicean Creed (or the Apostle's Creed). Thought it was always "holy catholic church" with the "catholic" meaning it's original definition of "universal".

Imagine that. And me having a number of my family being Lutheran--just never considered it. Live and learn.

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The LCMS changed the wording in their newest worship book that the churches are all now using and used the term "Christian" with a note under it that the original wording was catholic and that catholic means universal church.

I hate it and refuse to say it so when we do the creed I say catholic.

To me it was a dumbing down of the liturgy that also at the same time signaled a push by some at the top to become more "protestant". All of those people where voted out of office not long after that service book was published and people who where more "evangelical catholic" where voted in.

ThePapist said:

It conflicts with your theology? I'm sorry to hear that because the Catholic Church has had this title as the "universal" Church long before the term Christian was used. St. Ignatius of Antioch in 101 AD used the term Catholic for the first time referring to the Church Christ founded on St. Peter and the name stuck. It is called the Catholic Church based on the beliefs and theology of 2000 years and it was, at the time until the schism in 1054 and later with the "reformation" the only Church we had and therefore the true Church Christ established.

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That is because I don't believe that the Roman Catholic church makes up the one and only visible universal church and that the universal church is invisible.

I consider myself to be Evangelical Catholic for example.

Anyways you don't have to agree with it and I'm sure you don't but there is a reason I try to make a point to insert the word Roman before the word Catholic when referring to your church.

Luther073082 said:

That is because I don't believe that the Roman Catholic church makes up the one and only visible universal church and that the universal church is invisible.

I consider myself to be Evangelical Catholic for example.

Anyways you don't have to agree with it and I'm sure you don't but there is a reason I try to make a point to insert the word Roman before the word Catholic when referring to your church.

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It is the Church established in Rome because St. Peter who was the first Pope and the rock on which the Church was built was martyred in Rome.

I'm sorry if you don't agree with 2,000 years of Church history and tradition but with the little reformation because Martin Luther didn't agree with theology that was not debated from within the church since the schism of 1054.

The universal church isn't "invisible" it is completely visible as it was intended to be when Christ founded it.

rawson said:

The official name of the Church?

There isn't one .

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Yes there is. Read the EWTN document I linked to.

AMDG said:

Yes there is. Read the EWTN document I linked to.

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The title of the thread is " The official name of the Church? " .

The piece from the EWTN website does not give the official name of the Church .

The documents of the Magisterium give various names to the Church , but I am unaware of any document of the Magisterium which states an official name for the Church .

To quote from Pius XII's encyclical Humani Generis : " The Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing . "

He uses the name " Roman Catholic Church " , and that is the name I use , but I am aware that there other equally acceptable names .

rawson said:

The title of the thread is " The official name of the Church? " .

The piece from the EWTN website does not give the official name of the Church .

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Yes it does--the Catholic Church. That's the official name of the Church. Article even mention that all 16 documents of Vatican II note that official name.

AMDG said:

Yes it does--the Catholic Church. That's the official name of the Church.

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From the Catechism of St Pius X :-

20 Q: And why is the true Church called Roman?

A: The true Church is called Roman, because the four marks of Unity, Sanctity, Catholicity and Apostolicity are found in that Church alone which acknowledges as Head the Bishop of Rome, the Successor of St. Peter.

And what does The Catechism of the Catholic Church say ?

Catechism of the Catholic Church: Amazon.co.uk: Our Sunday Visitor: Books

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Catechism-Catholic-Church-No-author/dp/0225667045/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1373401310&sr=1-2&keywords=catechism+of+the+catholic+church+2013

Neither of these say the Catechism of the ROMAN Catholic Church

rawson said:

From the Catechism of St Pius X :-

20 Q: And why is the true Church called Roman?

A: The true Church is called Roman, because the four marks of Unity, Sanctity, Catholicity and Apostolicity are found in that Church alone which acknowledges as Head the Bishop of Rome, the Successor of St. Peter.

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One of my favourite catechisms.

The Baltimore Catechism used terms similar to the Catechism of St Pius X .

For example :-

118. Q. Why is the Pope, the Bishop of Rome, the visible head of the Church?

A. The Pope, the Bishop of Rome, is the visible head of the Church because he is the successor of St. Peter, whom Christ made the chief of the Apostles and the visible head of the Church.
"Of Rome." That is why we are called Roman Catholics; to show that we are united to the real successor of St. Peter, and are therefore members of the true apostolic Church.