Could America be Destroyed?

In answer to your question "Could America be destroyed" there is no could about it, according to scripture it's a foregone conclusion.  It will be brought to an end by God along with all the other man made nations.  

All human governments are corrupt and have abused the authority that God has allowed them to have. 

When whole nations refuse to recognize and obey God, or they cast him out of their minds and hearts, He executes his judgments upon them. (Ps 79:6; 110:6; 149:7-9) He devotes them to destruction and turns them back to Sheol. (Ps 9:17; Isa 34:1, 2; Jer 10:25) In descriptive language God says that the wicked nations will be turned over to his Son, the one called "Faithful and True . . . The Word of God," to be dashed to pieces. Ps 2:7-9; Re 19:11-15; compare Re 12:5.

The nations of the earth would be well advised to heed Isaiah's words at chapter 34, verses 1 through 8: "Come up close, you nations, to hear; and you national groups, pay attention. . . . For Jehovah has indignation against all the nations, and rage against all their army. He must devote them to destruction; he must give them to the slaughter. And their slain ones will be thrown out; and as for their carcasses, their stink will ascend; and the mountains must melt because of their blood. . . . For Jehovah has a day of vengeance." In the realms of politics, big business, and false religion today, corruption and immorality are rampant. But Jehovah purposes a clean earth. To this end, he is gathering out of the nations-for survival-those persons who are willing to make over their lives to serve him in righteousness. All others must perish in his day of vengeance. Jeremiah 25:31-33. 

Corrupt human rule must be brought to an end to make room for rule by "God's Kingdom" government.  The only government that is the complete panacea for all mankinds problems. 

Daniel 2:44 "And in the days of those kings (Present Human Governments) the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite.

Yes it could John. IMO

Good post LightBearer

1 Thes. 5:3
For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

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I don't know why you think this refers to the former soviet union, the most likely candidate is america

they're the ones with the biggest Nuclear arsenal, and they're the ones claiming to want peace

Two words: Roman Empire.

Could America be destroyed?

Yeah, sure, any country in the world could be destroyed.

Is it likely to happen within 40 years?

I don't think it is.

How is it likely to be destroyed?

IMO it is more likely that America will self implode rather than be invaded or bobmed to death.

What does this have to do with Christianity?

IMO not much. There are a number of conservitive revisionists in some of the American Christian groups now, looking to put America into scripture some how, I guess because they feel left out because America is not mentioned. They usualy point to verses that would paint America as the "good guy" or some kind of martyr in revelations, which if America does have some part to play in revelations, is probably the opposite of what would happen.

Not by terrorism alone

There is 2 ways I believe America could get destroyed.

1. The "Super Volcano" at Yellow Stone Nation Park. If it were to go off it would almost "destroy" all of America. There would probably also be lots damage around the world.

2. The other thing would have to be an asteroid.

Originally posted by Doctrine1st
Two words: Roman Empire.

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I just don't see what happened to the Roman Empire happening to the USA.

Originally posted by webboffin
Not by terrorism alone

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No. I don't think that terrorism could destroy the USA. I think they could do lots of damage but not completely destroy it.

USA is not an empire it is a country. Empires like the Roman or British collapsed because they really didn't own the countries or the people they occupied. Eventually people want their countries back through means and have their independance returned. Hence the empire collapses. USA is it's own people, it's own nation. Britain lost it's empire but it never lost Britain. So for America to crumble you would have to over take the whole nation and it's people. Seeing as they are equipped just as well and probably more than most countries and with an massive military conscription potential I don't see it happening in my life time. A nuclear war arguement would be that if USA goes down there would be nothing left of anywhere else to worry about either.

Terrorists in Britain (IRA chiefly) have actively tried to use terror for years for their political aims but it was self defeating. They killed a lot of innocent people and caused damage extensively. But to bring down a country you have to break the nations heart. Terrorists often fuels unity in the country it is attacking. Look how USA stood united after the Sept 11th atrocities. Patriotism was at an all time high instead of dividing a nation it united the country together. The tragic loss and grief brought people closer together.

Define destroy and what you mean by America. I think the the chances are remote that we would be invaded or defeated militarially in the near future, but we could collapse from with in. or slowly spiral out of control economicly that would destroy america. Of course then there is the political sense of it.....

If you are talking about a natural disaster of epic proportions or an asteroid yes.

If you are talking about militarily no.

The United States could take on the entire world with the help of a few countries and our Military might could not be defeated. Our technology and training is vastly greater than most continents.

I think only a natural disaster could destroy America. Terrorists couldn't completely destroy America, and no other country could defeat it militarily.

We don't need to be defeated militarily. The USA is a country of spoiled materialistic yuppies, even those who whine about the materialistic yuppies. Look at our trade deficit. It's at 40 billion dollars a month, right?

So here's a simple scenario, based just on yesterday's news and a few other possibilities. North Korea figures the US is going to attack it soon, so decides a preemptive strike is necessary. They don't have a real nuke, but suppose they have a 'dirty bomb' which is a bomb that spreads highly radioactive waste over a wide area. So NK uses this dirty bomb on US troops. Shrub decides 'we've been nuked' and fires a few nuclear missiles at North Korea, killing millions and basically wiping out North Korea.

The likely response of the world community would be heavy sanctions against the US. The sort of sanctions that were slapped on Iraq after the Gulf War. This means zero imports of anything from abroad. No oil, no TV's, no clothes, no foreign cars, no toys, no molded plastic anything, pretty much anything you go buy at a WalMart or even a Sears, wouldn't be available.

Look at the clothes you're wearing. Chances are very good that they aren't made in the USA. Even if they do say 'made in USA' there is a good chance that they are actually made on a US-owned island in the Pacific, like Guam. Look at everything you bought for Christmas presents. The car you drive. Even if the car is a Ford, Chevy, or Chrysler, a good number of components in it are foreign made--especially the engine electronics.

In such a situation, would you still have a job? Our economy would utterly collapse. I think under international strict sanctions, unemployment in the US would rise above 50%, maybe way over that. People, you're three square meals away from being a revolutionary. If you really had no job, and no way to buy food, and there wasn't even any food in the stores because the trucks couldn't run (because parts weren't available) what would you do?

Sure, people in the US talk big about gun rights, etc, but what would actually happen if 260 million people started going hungry? No, we can't all hunt our food. We can't all go out and suddenly grow enough food in our gardens, either.

Could America survive international sanctions? Possibly, but I don't think it would have the resolve to do so. We would fall apart. The majority of the country does NOT want the boat rocked to this degree. If the international community demanded that the US be divided up or disarmed, the majority might even accept it, in order to keep from starving. Heck, I think just the threat of not being able to buy all our electronic toys would make most Americans cave in.

Do I seriously think this can happen? Most assuredly YES. A great deal of the rest of the world would LOVE to see America brought down to size. And if we actually were stupid enough to drop a nuke on civilians that are no threat to the US, then those who are weak supporters of the US (France, Germany, and most of the rest of the EC) would demand that we be disarmed.

Could America be destroyed? You mean it hasn't been already?

Originally posted by Gooch's dad
We don't need to be defeated militarily. The USA is a country of spoiled materialistic yuppies, even those who whine about the materialistic yuppies. Look at our trade deficit. It's at 40 billion dollars a month, right?

So here's a simple scenario, based just on yesterday's news and a few other possibilities. North Korea figures the US is going to attack it soon, so decides a preemptive strike is necessary. They don't have a real nuke, but suppose they have a 'dirty bomb' which is a bomb that spreads highly radioactive waste over a wide area. So NK uses this dirty bomb on US troops. Shrub decides 'we've been nuked' and fires a few nuclear missiles at North Korea, killing millions and basically wiping out North Korea.

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First off, that wouldn't be our response.  Even Bush isn't that barberous, tacticle nukes might be used, however they would not turn the whole of North Korea into a wastland.  At most perhaps 10-15% of the country would be uninhabitable. 

The likely response of the world community would be heavy sanctions against the US. The sort of sanctions that were slapped on Iraq after the Gulf War. This means zero imports of anything from abroad. No oil, no TV's, no clothes, no foreign cars, no toys, no molded plastic anything, pretty much anything you go buy at a WalMart or even a Sears, wouldn't be available. [/B]

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In order to impose such sactions you would need the military power to enforce them.  At this time such military power does not exist.  A heavy tarif on American imports and exports to America on the other hand would have a simmilar effect.

Look at the clothes you're wearing. Chances are very good that they aren't made in the USA. Even if they do say 'made in USA' there is a good chance that they are actually made on a US-owned island in the Pacific, like Guam. Look at everything you bought for Christmas presents. The car you drive. Even if the car is a Ford, Chevy, or Chrysler, a good number of components in it are foreign made--especially the engine electronics.

In such a situation, would you still have a job? Our economy would utterly collapse. I think under international strict sanctions, unemployment in the US would rise above 50%, maybe way over that. People, you're three square meals away from being a revolutionary. If you really had no job, and no way to buy food, and there wasn't even any food in the stores because the trucks couldn't run (because parts weren't available) what would you do? [/B]

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Our standard of living would certainly go downhill, I don't think we'd be starving though... We are the breadbasket of the world. 

Sure, people in the US talk big about gun rights, etc, but what would actually happen if 260 million people started going hungry? No, we can't all hunt our food. We can't all go out and suddenly grow enough food in our gardens, either.

Could America survive international sanctions? Possibly, but I don't think it would have the resolve to do so. We would fall apart. The majority of the country does NOT want the boat rocked to this degree. If the international community demanded that the US be divided up or disarmed, the majority might even accept it, in order to keep from starving. Heck, I think just the threat of not being able to buy all our electronic toys would make most Americans cave in.

Do I seriously think this can happen? Most assuredly YES. A great deal of the rest of the world would LOVE to see America brought down to size. And if we actually were stupid enough to drop a nuke on civilians that are no threat to the US, then those who are weak supporters of the US (France, Germany, and most of the rest of the EC) would demand that we be disarmed. [/B]

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We are the worlds only superpower, and while this certainly doesn't give us the right to act in a manner which is less than honorable I don't think we need to worry about the type of situation you described.  Take a look at China and it's record of Human rights abuses... does the world condem China for all the horrible (Tibet and treatment of unofficial churches for a start) things it does?  Yes, however we still want to trade with China despite all that. 

 

 

Gooch's dad,

that sucking sound you hear is 40,000,000,000 american greenbacks leaving the country a month. That choking sound you hear is 40,000,000,000 american greenbacks stuck in the ole USA during economic sanctions. Golly gee, I wonder what we're going to do wit all that money?

Please explain to me how sanctions require military power, if the entire rest of the world simply refused to sell the US anything, and refused to buy any US goods?

Yes, the US is the breadbasket of the world, IF we have plenty of oil coming in. Growing foodstuffs requires nitrogen fertilizer. Virtually all fertilizer in the world is made using the Haber process, which uses fossil fuels. We currently import roughly 1/2 of our oil. OK, so we could cut our fuel usage in half overnight? Maybe

Yes, China has done some terrible things, but one of the reasons we aren't threatening them the way we are threatening Iraq is because they *are* a nuclear power who can strike back. And human rights abuses aren't even in the same solar system as dropping a nuke on civilians---in the court of world opinion.

I hope you're right, ACougar. I should have qualified my judgement on whether such a scenario was possible. I think it is not extremely likely, but very much in the realm of possible scenarios.

My example was mainly a way to bring up the way in which the US is actually very vulnerable. The trade deficit doesn't go away because we ignore it--America is hugely dependent on foreign economies, and a worldwide depression could definitely send us into a tailspin.