Advise from the Wise

MaraPetra

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For the record.....I used words like "probably" and "not definitive" (IOW.....I never called him abusive). I also said she should learn what is/isn't healthy in a relationship (that's what she *can* and should do). Beyond that.....the rest of us would be speculating.

*shrugs* I'm using accepted psychological methodology to analyze the situation and draw logical conclusions through critical thinking skills. If you don't understand it, that does not change the situation or the solidness of the advice offered by all on this thread.
 
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ConstantPrayer,

Do your conversations about how much time you spend in church turn into arguments? If that's the case, the way you two communicate, pride in one or both, and other issues could be more important obstacles than how much time you spend in church.

If you are regularly assembling with believers, you may do well to cut back on church meetings. If your not spending enough time with him as an issue to him, then choir practice may not be a good idea. Depending on what you guys do in the choir, that can be very time consuming.

I grew up going to three services a week or more and doing Teen Bible Quiz practice on Saturdays and between services on Sundays when I got to be a teenager. In college, I could go to 7 or 8 meetings a week sometimes. My wife goes to all kinds of church events. But we've found that after we are married now and have kids, that sometimes too much busy-ness in church can actually be bad for the family. It's not that church is bad, but you need to balance that with time with your family. Aren't they part of the church, too. It's more important than I teach my kids the word of God than my helping out with choir or folding chairs, IMO. Watching TV isn't usually more important, though, than some of these ministry things. For preaching teaching the word, you want to make sure your house is in order if you are going to do these ministry things. Your relationship with your husband is important.

His desires as your husband should also be important. Looking at Ephesians 5, Colossians 3, and I Peter 3, your husband is asking you to do something, so you should take that very seriously. The issue here is he is asking you to go to church less. The question is, is it sinful to do that? If he isn't telling you not to go to church regularly, then that isn't a big problem. You could try for a while, not making commitments without running them by him first. Or at least if you are asked to go to a wedding, let him know you were invited. Then, a month later when you remind him, if he complains, you can tell him he agreed to it a month before. If you have a lot of events in a week that take you away from him a lot, let him know how much you appreciate him giving up time with you and show him a lot of appreciation and attention to make it up to him.

In the Old Testament, a man who married was not obligated to go on military duty for a year so that he might stay home and please his wife. So he was able to cut back on his obligations to the congregation for the sake of his wife and his marriage. There may be a lesson to learn there for a newly wed.

It does bother me if he doesn't appreciate you being active in church, and especially that he threatened divorce. How serious do you think he is about divorce? Was that just something spoken during a heated argument that he regretted later, or is he very serious? I think that is a very dangerous issue for your marriage-- his desire to threaten divorce. Even if he did it in the heat of an argument, he needs to have some restraint. How committed is he to marriage? This is something you can pray for him about and maybe ask him to read certain scriptures on marriage and divorce and ask him to explain them to you. You could go to a pastor or Christian counselor who isn't one of these people that thinks divorce is okay if people feel like it, and discuss the issue in depth. Maybe an older couple in a cell group who has had a long successful marriage would be a good couple to talk to.

If he regrets threatening divorce, you could ask him gently and calmly when you aren't arguing to not ever do that again. You don't want to be in an unstable marriage where you feel like things could fall apart any minute. It's hard to grow a relationship in that environment.
 
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*shrugs* I'm using accepted psychological methodology to analyze the situation and draw logical conclusions through critical thinking skills. If you don't understand it, that does not change the situation or the solidness of the advice offered by all on this thread.

There are others here who are very well educated and have made different observations - also based on critical thinking. Real critical thinking involves seeing things from numerous points of view, and no one single person is capable of doing this in isolation. This is why teamwork and places like forums are good - they offer a variety of perspectives and observations, each with their own merits. Don't discount someone else's ideas just because they don't fit with yours. And I'm interested in your "psychological methodology." It might also warrant some critical thinking.
 
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I need more evidence before I'd call him abusive. I certainly don't like his tactics in a lot of ways, and some of the things she said rings some alarm bells, but I don't feel like we know enough of the story.
 
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In my first marriage, my husband had a schedule where he worked 4 12-hour days, 3 12-hour nights, starting at 7. If the days he worked nights fell on the weekdays, which they often did, I wouldn't see him for pretty much those three days... I worked 8-5, but lived an hour from my work, so I'd be gone by 7. He worked an hour away, so he wouldn't be home until 8. If I left at 5, I wouldn't get home until 6, but for a shift at 7, he'd be gone by 6. We'd have zero face-to-face time. First day off he'd want to sleep, so I really didn't see him either. Then during his 7 days off, because I worked for 5 of them, I'd only see him in the evening. During hunting/fishing season, it got worse... On his days off he may be out the door super early, or go out just as I was getting home... We didn't get a lot of time together.

I used to say constantly "I'm really lonely" and he totally wouldn't get what I was saying... I guess I didn't express it right, either. He'd say "I saw you last night" or "we spent Saturday together." He'd get super, duper frustrated because, as far as he was concerned, we saw eachother contantly. In truth, I guess we did, but we had zero quality time together.

In a brief phase of selflessness, he changed his behavior and was home more... And he was home... But he'd either be on Facebook, talking with his friends about the hunting trip he missed, on the phone making plans for when he could go out again, reading books/magazines about hunting, going out to the garage to build/repair/create something to help him hunt, or sitting and talking to me about hunting... So he wasn't really there. I'd sit watching TV while he was nose deep in his phone texting his friends about the trip that he'd have gone on, if only he didn't have to stay home with his lonely wife.

When this didn't fix the problem, he finally just told me that what I wanted wasn't making me feel better, so what was the point. He went back to what he always did. Then I fell truly ignored as, when given the active choice, I didn't do enough to make him want to be with me. So now not only is he not around, he's not around because of me. Let's talk for a moment what a toilet bowl that made me feel like.

So, from your husband's point-of-view, I can say that if both of you work, a Sunday (which represents maybe 25-50% of a 9-5ers days off) and two nights a week, yeah, that means you're gone a lot. More importantly, it means there's a big part of your life that he feels is unavailable to him. I can see why he'd be upset (especially if it's time spent with your father... Does he run the church you're a part of?). He may feel like you're more dependent on that then him, and you know, it is a terrible feeling.

And I get you say that you've stayed home to appease him, but did you have quality time together? Or were you just home? Being home and talking about church, what you're missing, what they're doing, talking to others about they did in church after... Again, I get the frustration. You're scratching your head saying "I was home, I don't get it" and he's saying "she was at home and still managed to go to church." He didn't get the quality time he wanted, and the message that was sent wasn't "I gave this up to be with you because I'd rather spend the evening with you," the message was "I didn't go to church because it bugs my husband and he won't let me/doesn't want me to go." Sarcastic comments and the silent treatment, yeah, it's rude, it's uncalled for... But it's usually a response to something else. One doesn't pop out with "I'm sure they're getting by at church without you" as a conversation starter, out of nowhere. It's an solicited comment, either through behavior or actions, like fixating on church and what you're missing.

What I tend to suspect is happening here is he feels he's not getting quality time with you, and he feels like church is the problem, so he gets irritated. You stay behind physically to appease him, but mentally you're off at church and you guys still aren't having quality time. Your act of contrition is actually interpreted as a negative, because you're still showing you would rather be elsewhere and not with him. He gets similarly or more irritated. Instead of turning to him and having the discussion or argument and finding out what you two can do to help each other, you feel like you need fortification... So you go to church. And thus the cycle goes around again.

I'm not sure that the guy is abusive, just a poor communicator of his emotions, and through either mutual poor communication of emotions, people make the wrong choices and/or act out... Her by going to church, him by lashing out.

Is your father at church? He may feel threatened or irritated at the idea that you've not given up your life as a daughter and accepted your role of life as a wife. Or he may thing that you badmouth his non-attendance/beliefs to your father, relying on your father and the church, not your marital relationship, for strength. All legitimate issues to be discussed.

In the end, finding a way to communicate is a big key. My first husband and I could spend the whole day at home together, but him doing one thing and me doing the other, then I'd say "I feel really lonely" and he would get so irritated. My husband now... Well, yesterday we had the kids overnight and through the morning. He dropped them off at 9, I worked 8-12 in my office, taking two 1-hour breaks. We went to one of the other kid's school events together from 12-1, I fell asleep on the couch at 2. When we went for our run at 4, I said "Man, I feel like I haven't seen you all day. I really miss you." He said "Me too, we've barely been together all day." Realistically, we were together from 9am for the whole day. In terms of quality time, it wasn't until 4 or 5 when we went for our run that we had a moment to look at each other and BE together in terms of quality time. He understood and agreed, and we fixed it by having a ton of quality time that night. And all was good with the world.

Ugh. >.< He should be thrilled you love God more then him. Some spouses feel denied if their spouse does more christian activity then they do. And admittedly you can be so busy with your christian life that you forget about your spouse. Whatever the reasoning or feeling he has saying he will end it is just immature and shows his lack of understanding what a christian marriage is.

I'm pretty sure a Christian marriage isn't telling your husband that you're going to church however you want and if you don't like the fact that we don't spend time together then suck it up. Love of God is great, loving God so much you ignore your husband... Not good. And a spouse feeling like their other spouse is so wrapped up in God that they could be there or not be there is hardly a sign that they're immature... It's a sign there's a very real problem that they're feeling has broken the marriage. Probably better to address it then say "You're immature and should be grateful I love God more then I love you."
 
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I'm pretty sure a Christian marriage isn't telling your husband that you're going to church however you want and if you don't like the fact that we don't spend time together then suck it up. Love of God is great, loving God so much you ignore your husband... Not good. And a spouse feeling like their other spouse is so wrapped up in God that they could be there or not be there is hardly a sign that they're immature... It's a sign there's a very real problem that they're feeling has broken the marriage. Probably better to address it then say "You're immature and should be grateful I love God more then I love you."
Oh no I agree, I just wasn't sure about posting it because some people on the forums dislike when you say you should pay attention to your spouse. They seem to find it weird that you can't focus on god 24/7.

I personally was with a woman for about a year that loved God so much that we maybe talked once a week. When she told me shes just loving God I told her that she is indeed, but shes neglecting her relationship she chose to form with me. Her immature responses was "THen go head and leave me, God will never leave me and will always love me!". >.>

THank goodness I married a women that instead realizes theres needs to be balance.
 
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Oh no I agree, I just wasn't sure about posting it because some people on the forums dislike when you say you should pay attention to your spouse. They seem to find it weird that you can't focus on god 24/7.

I personally was with a woman for about a year that loved God so much that we maybe talked once a week. When she told me shes just loving God I told her that she is indeed, but shes neglecting her relationship she chose to form with me. Her immature responses was "THen go head and leave me, God will never leave me and will always love me!". >.>

THank goodness I married a women that instead realizes theres needs to be balance.

Probably, for future reference, probably best for you to give advice you feel is helpful, not advice you feel is popular with a forum... What you said here is the total opposite of what you said in the previous post, and seeing your motivation as for why... Well, just say what you think is helpful
 
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