MOVED: I believe homosexuality is sin, but I still call myself gay

No, you're repentant about it. That's a good and holy thing. Perhaps some people hear that and think you're saying its okay to practice both a Christian and a sinful lifestyle at the same time with no repentant feelings. Which, with love, still could repent.

sonny1293 said:

You are right. I never thought about that. But wouldn't calling yourself a sinner, which Christians do, says that it is OK to sin, even though you are a Christian?

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"God forbid"
-St. Paul

No, the impression may be there, and I'm saying its wrong to jump to conclusions. When a Christian admits we're a sinner, we merely say the truth. If we say we don't sin, we lie. But this is where grace comes in, followed by repentance. Grace covers our sin and frees us from it. Repentance is our desire and action to live in that grace apart from sin.

Now, if a person said they were a sinning Christian, that could very well mean they're proud of being a sinner. In that case, they're on their own against the model of Christ as sinless and the practices of the apostles as being made holy.

If a straight man remains celibate, is he no longer straight? Just because you are not acting upon the desire -celibacy-, it is still there. Being "gay" refers to nothing more than that - an attraction. What you do with it is the issue.

To way you are gay and Christian is not mutually exclusive or negative - it merely reflects the particular temptation you struggle most with.

Granted, this labeling does leave you open to attack from certain people, so you must be able and willing to defend your position - that the desire (attractions) are a part of you, "in-born", and you respect and accept that. But that Christ is still Lord over your life, and you feel called thereby to not act on those temptations.

So, to me, it is quite similar to Christian claims that all, they included are sinners.

I have beliefs that lean in the direction of old earth creation. I don't however go swinging it about my church. If someone really pushes you in for a answer tell them you were born gay, but you've chosen to take a vow of abstinence for Christ.

Don't go looking to tell people. You're a sinner, same as the rest of us; but, brother, you know the way Christians get about the whole gay thing. Red flag to a bull, people in their sin always need a target and unfortunately gay is everyones favorite sin, it's worse than everyone elses in their eyes.
Despite the fact we are saved by grace most harbours a doubt that we are weighed in a scale of works. There secretly hoping they can stand next in line to the gay for judgement.

Now that being said unfortunately I suffer this condition too, I find the whole....thing a little yuck tbh. And what really annoys me about gay men is their seeming insatiable lust and lack of faithfulness, obviously wide brush stokes here but I find a common theme in my own experience.

And that nazal high pitched wine that seems to come as a free gift to allot of gay men. Oh that winds me up.

Anyways I disgress look bro peps will respect you allot more for your choise if you don't go parading it about the place. Think about it like a charity. You donate to the charity but you don't brag about it. Neither be afraid to tell people of your choise for Christ if they force you into a situation were you have to tell them.

It's a good choice and I only wish I had your will sometimes. I pray to have the will of Christ of course, he alone is my example but I think it's a good thing. Well done brother.

I'm curious Sonny, when do you tell people you are gay? Is it just when someone broaches the subject? If not, then why are you telling people you are gay?

If someone asks you if you're a Christian, do you just say "yes", or do your further qualify your answer by telling him/her that you are a "Gay" Christian?

Thanks!

--David

I think you should say that you are a non practicing gay.
You are attracted to guys but since you think it's a sin you don't do it.
Most likely you will always feel gay, just stay away from lust.

Why the need to label yourself as gay? By labeling yourself as such, you give that label power over your life.

I sometimes struggle with anger, or whatever. Should I label myself as an angry Christian?

What about straight people who struggle with lust? Do they label themselves as lustful Christians?

Of course not, you may have a battle with homosexuality, but it DOES NOT define you as a person. You are not gay, until you decide to give in to it. You may struggle with it, but that doesn't mean you are gay.

We're Christians, it doesn't get anymore simple than that. We don't need to attach extra labels to that title to address each of our struggles and sins.

sonny1293 said:

Usually when people ask. I don't just tell people I am gay any more. I use to before I recommitted my life to Christ. But when people ask, I say yes because I feel like I am being fake if I were to say no. I am a very feminine person, I seem gay to a lot of people. So people are always wondering.

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What's a very "feminine person" according to you?

sonny1293 said:

So I should just say that I am a Christian when people ask me if I am gay? But I seem so gay to a lot of people. How do I explain that to them?

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You say "No I'm not gay". Just because you may struggle with the desire, does not automatically mean you are gay. If I have the temptation to tell lies occasionally, but I don't. Should I tell people I'm a liar?

Again, what makes you "seem so gay" to people by your definition?

sonny1293 said:

I don't know. That's what people tell me. I act more like a female then I do like a male. I guess. I don't mean to, but according to other people I do.

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Do other people define who you are? Or does God?

Lots of people think Christians are weird, does that make you weird for being a Christian? Or is that just their opinion and maybe it's wrong?

As mentioned already, lust is the sin you must stay away from.

I don't think you should call yourself a non-practicing gay like I won't call myself a non-practicing adulterer and murderer but I still have hateful and lustful thoughts.

We are all sinners. You are a sinner. I am a sinner. Jesus died for these sins and is ready to bring you into His Kingdom. It's time to focus on God's work and making disciples!

Luke 15:11-32 [God's Heart for you when you repent and come back home!]

I'm a very sensitive guy, I care about people. I care about their hurts, and their feelings. When other guys just want to watch football, or sports, or wrestling or whatever I'd rather talk to a friend on the phone and help them through a rough time. (I'm not saying those things are evil or bad necessarily, but you have to admit, a lot of boyfriends / husbands would rather watch TV than *gasp* talk to their spouse or even friends about a problem they are having)

Many people in the world would call that "girly". But I don't care, because it's a gift from God, and it does not define who I am. I am far from feminine.

The world's definition of "being a man" is so far messed up, that I don't -want- to be like that. If you go by the world's definition then you need to drink, look at inappropriate content, mess around with as many women as you can, act macho all the time. Heaven forbid you ever cry. That's like -100 man points right there.

God's definition of a man, is far different and much better than the world's. Because He defines who we are. Not people.

Fenny the Fox said:

If a straight man remains celibate, is he no longer straight? Just because you are not acting upon the desire -celibacy-, it is still there. Being "gay" refers to nothing more than that - an attraction. What you do with it is the issue.

To way you are gay and Christian is not mutually exclusive or negative - it merely reflects the particular temptation you struggle most with.

Granted, this labeling does leave you open to attack from certain people, so you must be able and willing to defend your position - that the desire (attractions) are a part of you, "in-born", and you respect and accept that. But that Christ is still Lord over your life, and you feel called thereby to not act on those temptations.

So, to me, it is quite similar to Christian claims that all, they included are sinners.

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I was seriously concerned that poor sonny is going to be told by bunch of crazy people to go kill himself if he call himself gay or can not get rid off his gayness, which according to some is a sin in itself......

I am a gay Christian , sonny

I just want to let you know condemning yourself for your attraction is not biblical, and is satan's tool to destroy you through condemnation.....