Jewish end of days timeline

Do you know the Jewish timeline of the end of days?

When the false messianic age begins... It may go something like this...

Elijah comes as priest and prophet

Elijah Anoints messiah Ben Joseph (or ephraim) who becomes king of the north kingdom

Ben Joseph gathers lost ten tribes and march to Jerusalem and cast out uncircumcised

Elijah anoints messiah Ben David as king of Judah

Ben Joseph and Ben David unite both kingdoms by confirming the covenant for 7 years

Gog ( evil inclination personified) and Magog attack north kingdom and this will be the final test of Israel both kingdoms...birth pangs

Ben Joseph dies and messiah Ben David is now king of all the house of Israel


Ben David avenges ben Joseph (Ephraim) and gets victory over gog (evil inclination personified)

Then Ben David resurrects saints and begins to fulfill all messianic prophecies

Like build temple, and build ruined cities ,world peace ect

Israel new borders are from the Nile river of Egypt to the Euphrates river ....this vast land shall Israel's 12 tribes possess

During this false messianic age..Babylon will be rebuilt under Israeli control ..a city of gold... And also during the days of this false messianic age ....10 kingdoms will form

No man can serve two masters... He will love one and hate the other

You cannot serve the law of Moses and the law of Christ ... One will be put first before the other

I believe this will be especially true when the false messiah comes with the law under his belt... He will seek to destroy in the name of the law...he will use the law to judge and condemn....and many will fall away from the faith...and hate one another... Because the law rules their heart...not the love of Christ

The law will judge sinners.... Not forgive sinners...all who fall away will judge and condemn sinners as blasphemers and pagan and heretics... And they think they do gods service... But they are deceived by satan.... They disobey Christ to love and forgive 490 times in one day... They judge and condemn in the name of the law.....and deny Christ

This is the falling away from the faith... During the false messianic age...

Interplanner said:

Elijah already came, and the kingdom came with power.

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Elijah has not come yet... Jesus said to his disciples that Elijah will indeed come...

John the babtist was not Elijah but an Elijah in spirit...John was a foreshadow of Elijah to come

The kingdom of heaven is indeed making citizens by the Holy Spirit for his kingdom and one day we will enter into that kingdom on earth when Jesus returns to establish a kingdom with Israel ... It's the promise land that we have not yet entered...

With Paul's descriptions of negative efffects of the Law, why would we need to await something that would be against God's law.

Inter

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I don't understand your question

God has not cast off his people forever...specific promises were made to them...and they are unfulfilled ...Elijah is promised to come and Enoch will be with him...and Jesus will return and fulfill all messianic prophecies...

All the messianic prophecies are not fulfilled yet

1disciple said:

This time-line is going to have a few difficulties.

1.) Elijah can't come as priest and prophet. He was a Tishbite from the Tribe of Gilead, not a Levite. Is this the False Elijah the Tishbite who can't be a priest or the true Elijah the Tishbite who can't be a priest? And there are no Jewish priests today, nor even possibility of Jewish priests since they had to have a living and continual rite of succession, and no one in this world has any idea who the Levites today would be or even if there is anything thing as a 'Levite' left.

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Jews believe they all are a chosen priesthood.... Elijah can anoint and Jews will not think twice about it

2.) Elijah Anoints messiah Ben Joseph (or ephraim) who becomes king of the north kingdom? This is going to be difficult as well seeing that there is no northern kingdom, nor even any northern tribes, nor even the possibility of knowing or guessing what the northern tribes would be today.

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God know who his people are... God promises to restore the north and south kingdoms.... Two sticks made one

3.) Who exactly is 'Ben Joseph'? False Jesus? Oh, pardon me, I meant to write False Melech ha-Moshiach ha-ben-Yosef, va-ha-ben-DOD, va-ha-ben-Avraham. So False Jesus is going to gather the lost ten tribes and march to Jerusalem and cast out uncircumcised? What uncircumsised? What lost ten tribes? There are no ten tribes left to find.

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True messiah Ben Joseph is Jesus and Ben David is also Jesus ... Jesus has fulfilled the first part and he will fulfill the latter

4.) Elijah anoints messiah Ben David as king of Judah? What 'Judah'?

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Future Judah ... This is what Jews believe

Does it make you feel like you know something and are wise when you write things like 'ben-This', 'ben-That', ben'The-Other'? Spare me the va-ha-bens too. What a bunch of pseudo-intellectual, ignorant, delusional, false, vain, profane, sacreligious blather and nonsense. Pure horse manure. Probably Pale Horse manure.

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No ...this is just what jews say ... Messiah Ben Joseph means to the Jews that an anointed king is from the son of Joseph and David... They have distinct purposes

1disciple said:

I want to tell you about a book I want you to read. It's called the Bible. You can find it at most any book store or freely online. I see that you haven't read it yet, so I can understand your confusion. One of those books in the Bible is called the Gospel of Matthew. And in that Gospel of Matthew, it is written as follows:

And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. -- Matt. 10:17
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You do realize that the messianic prophecies are long since fulfilled?

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you sound angry ... Are you ok? Is this topic bothering you?...don't take it personally when someone disagrees with you...especially here on cf where you seldom find any who agree with you completely

1disciple said:

You sound passive-aggressive...Are you ok? Is Matthew 17 bothering you? Don't take it personally when Jesus disagrees with you...especially in Bible, where you will seldom find him agreeing with you at all.

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Now I feel like I'm talking to a minor....listen friend can we have a friendly conversation ...or should I ignore you... The choice is yours

1disciple said:

Talking to a minor is the best thing you could possibly do right now. This is a good opportunity to move on to Matthew 18:3, where it is written:

And [Jesus] said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. - Matthew 18:3
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Again, in Matthew 21:6, it is written:

And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise? - Matthew 21:16
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Again, it is written in the 1 Epistle of John:

Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. - 1 John 4:4
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You can find all that and more in a book called the Bible.

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It's one thing to believe the gospel like a child ....willing to learn...it's another thing to behave like one....you wouldn't act like a child at work or with your wife .....children of god should not seek to hurt one another...so I am willing to be adults about this and communicate with you why I believe what I believe...are you willing to play nice?....because I am not willing to throw shots with you .... I don't believe that's Christ like...

Unfulfilled Messianic Prophesies:
- the end of sin

Ezek 36:25, 33, 37:23-24, Zeph 3:13, 3:15, Job 3:17, Isa 69:21, Jer 50:20


- the end of suffering

Isa 35:19



- peace and tranquillity

Isa 2:4, 9:6, 11:6-9, 65:19, 25, Zech 9:10, Micah 4:3, Hosea 2:18



- one creed and one religion

Isa 2:2, 14:1, 45:14, 22-24, 52:1, 60:2-6, 14-6, 66:23, Zech 8:23, 14:9 Psa 86:9, Mal 1:11, Joel 3:17, Jer 31:34



- one kingdom and one king

Isa 11:12, 43:5-6, 60:11-12, Dan 2:44, 7:27, Ezek 37:21-22,39:28, Zech 14:9



- the resurrection of the dead
Isa 26:19, Dan 12:2, Deut 32:39



- the abolishment of idolatrous images and false prophets
Isa 2:18, 42:17, Zeph 2:11, Psa 97:7



- the gathering of the ten tribes under a Davidic king
Ezek 37:21-22



- the battle between Gog and Magog

Ezek 38, 39



- the cleaving of the Mount of Olives
Zech 14:4



- the building of the future temple

Ezek 40-46



- the issuing of living water from the site of the temple
Ezek 47:1-2



- the renewal of the Covenant as sanctification for the Israelites
Ezek 37:26-28



- the going up of the remnant of the nations to Jerusalem to worship
Zech 14:16



- Jerusalem being safely inhabited
Zech 14:11



- the messiah being desired by all nations
Hag 2:7



- the wicked being slain
Isa 11:4



- the messianic nation stretching from sea to sea

Zech 9:10, Psa 72:8, Dan 7:14

1disciple said:

[But Wisdom is vindicated by her children. - Matt. 11:16-19

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1disciple said:

What a bunch of pseudo-intellectual, ignorant, delusional, false, vain, profane, sacreligious blather and nonsense. Pure horse manure. Probably Pale Horse manure.

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Is it wise to speak in this manner? Knowing that by thy words thou shall be justified and by thy words thou shall be condemned?

Interplanner said:

re: promised land. Heb. 11 has no such hope; in fact, it says the land and city was not the hope to begin with!

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I believe there is a promised land .... I will give scriptures

re: Elijah came "if you can accept it." This is the new method of Biblical prophecy fulfillment. It is fulfilled if we have courage. This is why the kingdom and power are so present tense to Paul, along with persecutions.

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If you can accept the foreshadowing of Elijah is what Jesus meant... He clearly said Elijah will indeed come... That should end any doubt

Persecution were present tense ... Non-the less persecutions were to happen throughout the church age... The kingdom of heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force

re: marching and casting out the circumcised. Let's be clear about the problem here. There is a return of Christ as the Lion on the day of God's wrath. But your picture just reset the Judaic part of the Law as the basis for distinguishing good from bad nations. Whoa, brother. Time to get out of 1st century Judaism on the eve of Christ appearing for public ministry. I mean, you do realize that there is friction between Christ and Judaism in its 'parush' form? And that this was what Paul has many, many chapters and references trying to clear up? and did I mention the letter to the Hebrews? You do realize what it says about the old covenant, about going back to it, about being a coward, right?

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This is Jewish eschatology that Jews believe their true messiah will fulfill... It's not the futurist christian eschatology that I believe in...... I point out this timeline for the purpose of identifying the coming false messiah and false messianic age....then after this age last a short space ... The man of sin comes

It's possible that during this days when the man of sin comes.... The borders of Israel will have been enlarged... He comes from the north kingdom of Syria and that border may be in Israeli control...

This is the bizarre thing about the situation today: millions of Christians who would never wear blue and white striped shawls or Levitical curled sideburns, but their eschatological picture is that all such is going to be imposed on the geo-political area by General Christ. This seems to have adverse affects on evanglizing the area!

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The ones gathered are the lost tribe of Israel ... Not spiritual Israel not the church... But those that hold to the Jewish heritage ...a false messiah will seek to gather the lost house of Israel

I'm not convinced the lost tribes are indeed gentile Israel that became the nations today .... I believe Israel is not completely lost....Dispersed? yes... Lost completely ? No...what god has cast off ... He will graft back in

3. To whom belongs the Promised Land? What Scriptures reveal that the Promised Land does not belong to Israel, if any?
A. There is such an entity called "The Promised Land."
The Promised Land is a genuine piece of geography on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea.
B. Others besides Israel first populated the Land.
This Land was first inhabited by loosely affiliated city-states of various people groups called the Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.” (Genesis 15:20-21) Since the most populated of these groups were the Canaanites, the land acquired the name "Land of Canaan," such as in Genesis 12:5.
C. The Covenantal Promises
In Genesis 12, God called Abraham to live in the Land and told him that He was going to give him and his descendants the Land of Canaan. These covenantal promises were repeated to Isaac (Genesis 26:3- 4) and to Jacob (Genesis 27:29; Genesis 35:10-12). Thus, the inheritance of the Land passed from Abraham to the descendants of Israel, as it is to this day.
D. "The Land I swore to your Fathers"
Throughout the history of ancient Israel, the Lord repeatedly referred to the Land as "The Land I swore to your Fathers," or similar words. Even when God was speaking of the future of Israel, He told them He will bring them back to "the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it" (Deuteronomy 30:5). This connection from the past to the future is one of the reasons that we say the Covenant is still in force and the Land still remains an inheritance of the physical people of Israel.
E. Israel might be removed from the Land,
but not the Land from Israel.
This is an important issue concerning the Land. In Deuteronomy,
God warned Israel that if they were unfaithful to the Covenant of Torah as a nation, they would face many different consequences. One of those consequences was that they would eventually be removed from the Land (Deuteronomy 28:63). However, as we have already pointed out, just two chapters later in Deuteronomy, the Lord also promised to bring Israel back to this same Land. That return would be on the basis of His grace, and not on any merit on their part.

While absent from the Land, the Scripture indicate that Land would become desolate and not given to any other as an inheritance. For example, read the following passages from the prophets (All from NASB.):
Isaiah 62:4 – "It will no longer be said to you, “Forsaken,” nor to your land will it any longer be said, “Desolate”. But you will be called, “My delight is in her”, and your land, “Married”. For the Lord delights in you, and to Him your land will be married.
Ezekiel 36:34-36 – “The desolate land will be cultivated instead of being a desolation in the sight of everyone who passes by. They will say, ‘This desolate land has become like the garden of Eden; and the waste, desolate and ruined cities are fortified and inhabited.’ Then the nations that are left round about you will know that I, the Lord, have rebuilt the ruined places and planted that which was desolate; I, the Lord, have spoken and will do it.”
These passages, and other similar to them were written thousands of years ago. Yet they speak of a reality concerning the Promised Land that existed up until very recent times. For example, when the American writer Mark Twain toured Palestine in 1867, he wrote with remorse what he saw
Stirring scenes...occur in the valley [Jezreel] no more. There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent—not for thirty miles in either direction.
There are two or three small clusters of Bedouin tents, but not a single permanent habitation...To find...the sort of solitude to make one dreary, one must come to Galilee for that...these unpeopled deserts, these rusty mounds of barrenness, that never, never, never, do shake the glare from their harsh outlines, and fade into vague perspective; that melancholy ruin of
Capernaum, this stupid village of Tiberias, slumbering under six funeral palms...We reached Tabor safely...We never saw a human being on the
whole route...Nazareth is forlorn...Jericho the accursed lies a mouldering ruin today...Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes...desolate and unlovely...it is a dreamland.1
F. Others may inhabit the Land.
The Torah made provision for other people besides the Israelites to reside in the Land. These people would be considered inhabitants and not inheritors. Moreover, any such resident was/is commanded to abide by the instructions of the Torah while in the Land. See Exodus 12:49; Leviticus 16:29; 17:12, 15; and 18:26, for example.
G. The Land belongs to Immanuel.
The Scriptures designate the physical descendants of Israel as the inheritors and caretakers of the Land.

clear when they indicate that the true owner of the Land was God, especially Immanuel (Isaiah 8). Here are but a few examples:
Leviticus 25:23 The land, moreover, shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine; for you are but aliens and sojourners with Me.
Deuteronomy 32:43 “Rejoice, O nations, with His people. For He will avenge the blood of His servants, and will render vengeance on His adversaries, And will atone for His land and His people” (NASB).
Jeremiah 2:15 “The young lions have roared at Him, they have roared loudly and they have made His land a waste; His cities have been destroyed, without inhabitant " (NASB).
Jeremiah 12:15 “And it will come about that after I have uprooted them, I will again have compassion on them; and I will bring them back, each one to his inheritance and each one to his land" (NASB).
Thus, the rightful owner of the Land was/is the Lord Himself. This has some important implications. First, since He is the owner, He has a right to designate whomever he wishes as its caretaker. Secondly, His choice does not depend on any perceived merit by the caretaker. His choice is made based on His criteria, which He is not obliged to reveal. Finally, He has designated that whomever lives in the Land must carefully follow His Covenant that governs the Land, His Torah, revealed at Mount Sinai and renewed as a Covenant in the Book of Deuteronomy. Moreover, in Deuteronomy, He specifically states that the condition for living in the Land and enjoying its fruit was/is faithfulness to the Covenant of Torah.
H. Resident Gentiles
We have seen in other essays that in the future, gentile believers would be granted the privilege of living in the Land and will be considered to be as native-born Israelites (Ezekiel 47).
I. No Other
In light of the foregoing evidence, we cannot see anywhere in the Bible where a different owner for the Land is named, nor that He has changed the guardianship of the Land to a different people group.