What Enoch the Prophet, The Seventh From Adam, Wrote
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Don't believe him. Read it for yourself.
There is a fragment in it written by Noah. It is not complete, but is included within that book because it came down through the flood, through Noah, and Shem, to Abraham -from Noah and Shem, and to Moses, eventually.
Noah had visions like Enoch and had revelations like Enoch did.
Interesting that before the flood, the gate to Eden -the Mount of God that Adam got cast down and out of- was accessible to those on earth, which is also testified to in the Chinese Oracle Bone writing, in that the Border Sacrfice offered once, yearly, to the Creator by the Emperor for thousands of years, was at first depicted offered at the "gate to the Garden, a Mount"....and the prayer is almost identical to that offered once, yearly, in the Atonement sacrifice of ancient ISrael.
So when Noah was born, he was so shining and white and spoke in the arms of the midwife, praising God, that his father thought his wife may have messed with the Watcher angels who fell and had supernatural offspring.
He ran to his father, Methusaleh, who ran to the Gate of Eden, where Enoch was dwelling with the angels for those many years, and cried out for Enoch to hear him.
Enoch did hear, and Enoch came to him and told him the truth about Noah and his future.
Methusaleh went to Lamech and told him what Enoch said, and Noah grew up knowing the story.
In the Dead Sea Scrolls in the that which is called the Genesis Apocrypha and which includes fragments of many of the patriarchs own stories, there is a section written by Abram when he told Sarah to say she was his sister when they went into Egypt, for fear he would be killed because she was so beautiful. She did, but God warned the Pharaoah and after some time, Sarah was returned to him by the wise men of Pharaoh who asked him to teach them "wisdom, values, and truth", and Abram read to them from the Book of Enoch.
That happened within less than 35 years after the flood, and Abram had lived 39 years with Noah and Shem learning the ways and law of God while hiding from Nimrod, who wanted him dead. Abram came out from Noah and Shem and back to his father's house immediately after the tower of Babel fell and the tongues were divided. Abram knew who YHWH was, and he taught the Truth about God to all and was a teacher of righteousness all his life.
The information I just related is in the true history of the patriarchs called "the Upright Record/Book of Jasher", and the DSS manuscript scrolls have proof fragments in them that indeed show the patriarchs all wrote their own stories, which were used in redacted form for Jasher.
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You didn't read what I said, as I said:
"It is a Jewish apocalypse that they themselves reject and which no Christian group gave any serious credence to."
The Gospels and the Epistles you mention are not Jewish but Christian. Therefore, your objection is invalid.
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Enoch wrote the history of the world from the beginning to the last age in his dream visions. Totemic imagery was used to depict fallen watchers, sons of Adam, and nations as tribes/ clans in totemic imagery -as I said.
Enoch read the tablets of heaven written there for the angels to read and know what will befall the sons of Adam in their seasons, so as to uphold the things written, in their seasons.
In Daniel 10:21, the glorious messenger/angel who showed Daniel the things written in the "Scripture or Truth" was Enoch, I fully believe [also the "angel" who came out of the temple in Revelation with a bowl of wrath, who showed John the things to come and when John was going to worship him [twice] he told him not to do that, worship God, and that he -that "angel"- was a fellow prophet "of your brethren the prophets.
The things that one showed Daniel in 10:21 [and are told in Daniel chapters 11, 12] were written in the Scripture of Truth, but they had never been written in the Torah or prophets. The Scripture of Truth is written by God the Word in heaven, and the angels and Enoch, read it -as Enoch said.
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Sorry; they were not Jews.
Judaism is not just an ethnicity but a belief as well, and Israel is governed according to Orthodox Judaic interpretation of the Law. It does not allow Christians to make aliyah to Israel and receive automatic citizenship, even if they are ethnically Hebrew.
Judaism has spoken: they were not Jews.
Christianity also spoke already: following the Torah as an obligation is considered heretical; that was decided in the 1st century.
Sts. Matthew, Peter, etc, are no longer Jews. Same goes for St. Paul. It is impossible, according to both Judaism and Christianity, to be a Christian Jew/Jewish Christian. The Council of Jerusalem condemned it and the Chief Rabbinate of Israel also disallow it.
This is how the world works. It isn't for us to argue about it but to deal with it.
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The books of Matthew, Mark, Peter etc are all Jewish. They were written by Jewish authors mainly for a Jewish audience.
Anyway is there anything in the book of Enoch that contradicts the Scriptures?
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By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, "and was not found, because God had taken him;" for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God (Hebrews 11:5).
Scripture is quite clear. It declares both that Enoch was not, and that he was not found.
The Book of Enoch claims Enoch both was, and was found. Even though it states that Enoch was with the angels, Methuselah finds him at the ends of the earth.
Scripture is quite clear. It declares both that Enoch was not, and that he was not found.
The Book of Enoch claims Enoch both was, and was found. Even though it states that Enoch was with the angels, Methuselah finds him at the ends of the earth.
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That is not from the book of Enoch at all -you will not find it there by search
The author is quoting directly from the Book of the Upright/Jasher in Hebrews in that Enoch was ascended to heaven and "was not found by search" on earth below.
Jasher 3:38
And all those kings went to the place and they found the earth there filled with snow, and upon the snow were large stones of snow, and one said to the other, Come, let us break through the snow and see, perhaps the men that remained with Enoch are dead, and are now under the stones of snow, and they searched but could not find him, for he had ascended into heaven.
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Nope; they are not Jews anymore once they accepted Christ as Messiah. Judaism absolutely and fundamentally denies that the Messiah has come yet.
Only St. Matthews' Gospel is directly towards a Jewish audience. The two epistles according to St. Peter are catholic letters directed to the CHURCH, not Jews, which is made up of peoples of various nations. St. Mark's Gospel was written with non-Jews in mind, as it explains Jewish traditions out; something that Jews didn't need explained to them but what non-Jews probably would need explained to them.
The fact that both Jews and Christians do not give it any credence means that it isn't considered canonical for either group. That's all that matters according to the orthodox theology of both groups.
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2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
1Co 3:21 ¶ Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
1Co 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
1Co 3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
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So? That doesn't make Sts. Peter, Paul, and Matthew Jews.
Jesus had to be a Jew to fulfill the Law. He is the Living Law; the only human Person to live by it perfectly...because He was God as well as human.
He is, however, no longer a Jew, or otherwise, He'd have to deny Himself...which is of course absurd.
Christianity didn't exist before Christ's resurrection and ascension. As such, historically, your reply isn't valid.
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