This guy is an anti-semetic nut bag

The SSPX leader's statement pretty much puts the nail in the coffin re: any chance that he might reconcile with Rome and accept Vatican II. As a non-Catholic, I sympathize with the SSPX folks to a point. However, I believe that their position is essentially flawed. If they really believe that Vatican II teachings on Ecumenism and Freedom of Religion for non-Catholics contradict the past positions of the Church, then they should join those very few who contend that the see of Peter has been vacant since Pope John 23rd. I believe that this distinction between a Dogmatic Council and a Pastoral Council is a bunch of nonsense.

Zazal said:

This type of thinking would be the same as a Jewish person equating every Christian with Westboro Baptists and without beating around the bush...absolutely stinks.

I would hope that all brethren of whatever denomination or tradition would condemn the thinly disguised hatred that lies behind these lies.

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Many Jews attack Christianity relentlessly, and scream 'antisemitism' when renounced back. The majority of Jews are atheists, and you see atheist comedians such as Sarah Silverman or Seinfeld outright scourging and making fun of Christians and the Christ. Practicing Jews petition movies like The Passion of the Christ, calling it antisemitic (the biblical account of Jesus is antisemitic to them), are on the media pretending to still be a people under siege, and if you go out in certain parts of the Middle-East as a Christian, let's just say that Muslims treat you better then a certain other persuasion.

It is everywhere, and it is plainly seen. But it's not politically correct to state that Jews are anything less then benevolent demigods, so it's just open season for any Jew who wants to push around a Christian.

You sitting there stating what you just stated is you taking advantage of this current age of racial paranoia. You are fully dependent on others handing you an unwarranted leniency.
For all the mockery Jews openly portray, guess what would happen if a Christian said one tiny word about them in the media? They would get crucified for it. .

Case in point: you have not one

I've molded over this subject so many times that it's become sort of a running joke in my mind. Political correctness and racial paranoia are the single most powerful entities this modern era has created, so much so that accountability and clear sight takes a backseat.
In other words, I may as well be telling myself this, and then nailing myself to a cross for saying it because that's pretty much what happens when you call out Jewish hypocrisies- you get equated to the Devil and mounted on a hill.
How ironic.

Jake255 said:

I am not a Catholic but have a question about this. To begin, we know the spirit of the anti-Christ denies Christ as John explains.

If there are people who deny Christ, this is the spirit of the anti Christ speaking through them, right? Or is this the wrong way to see it?

The logical conclusion would be if any person, including a descendant Jew, denies Christ, this would be considered the spirit of the anti Christ? Or no.

If the answer is yes, then why are believers Jew advocates? The Jews are not believers.
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Throughout most of history the Jews were considered enemies of the Christians , and the Jews in early times persecuted them very harshly so much so that St. Paul considered them the enemy of God and Jesus called their father to be the devil and a synagogue of Satan.

This isn't antisemitism. Antisemitism is a racial hatred for Jews simply because of who they are and through a convoluted view of eugenics that they are inferior. Allthough the Jews have for thousands of years considered the Gentile to be inferior to them too. So it really goes both ways. The talmud is filled with hatred towards other non Jewish groups.

StThomasMore said:

The talmud is filled with hatred towards other non Jewish groups.

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The Talmud also has the exact opposite as well. There are statements that the Jews are the least of all people and that gentiles are in no way inferior to Jews.

StThomasMore said:

The talmud is filled with hatred towards other non Jewish groups.

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Jesus called a Canaanite woman a dog. It wasn't because she was a Canaanite, but because she was an idolator.
All Abrahamic canons naturally have something to say about transgressors- the Quran for example says for Muslims not to make friends with Christians or Jews because, well, it was written by a warlord who was prejudice of both beforehand anyway.

This is why it's important to determine a holy book as God inspired, lest you just have scrolls full of self-righteousness. I don't think the ever growing transgression by Jews has anything to do with holy books, they are simply joyriding on what political correctness has granted them- a right to bash anyone and anything they please without the consequence others would have to face for bashing them.

SilenceInMotion said:

I don't think the ever growing transgression by Jews has anything to do with holy books, they are simply joyriding on what political correctness has granted them- a right to bash anyone and anything they please without the consequence others would have to face for bashing them.

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Could we at least use some terms properly for precise conversation? If you want to say that some Jews are being vocal idiots and such, that's one thing. To say that Jews as a whole are doing this is simply wrong.

There are vocal idiots in every single group. To use those few as the blanket for everybody is simply not being honest about the situation.

Tallguy88 said:

I sympathize with ordinary sspxers, but this guy is not helping his cause.

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He is the Ordinary of sspxers/

SilenceInMotion said:

Many Jews attack Christianity relentlessly, and scream 'antisemitism' when renounced back. The majority of Jews are atheists, and you see atheist comedians such as Sarah Silverman or Seinfeld outright scourging and making fun of Christians and the Christ. Practicing Jews petition movies like The Passion of the Christ, calling it antisemitic (the biblical account of Jesus is antisemitic to them), are on the media pretending to still be a people under siege, and if you go out in certain parts of the Middle-East as a Christian, let's just say that Muslims treat you better then a certain other persuasion.

It is everywhere, and it is plainly seen. But it's not politically correct to state that Jews are anything less then benevolent demigods, so it's just open season for any Jew who wants to push around a Christian.

You sitting there stating what you just stated is you taking advantage of this current age of racial paranoia. You are fully dependent on others handing you an unwarranted leniency.
For all the mockery Jews openly portray, guess what would happen if a Christian said one tiny word about them in the media? They would get crucified for it. .

Case in point: you have not one

I've molded over this subject so many times that it's become sort of a running joke in my mind. Political correctness and racial paranoia are the single most powerful entities this modern era has created, so much so that accountability and clear sight takes a backseat.
In other words, I may as well be telling myself this, and then nailing myself to a cross for saying it because that's pretty much what happens when you call out Jewish hypocrisies- you get equated to the Devil and mounted on a hill.
How ironic.

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I didn't know Sara Silverman or Seinfeld were comedians...or relevant for that matter.

cathoaholicliz said:

I didn't know Sara Silverman or Seinfeld were comedians...or relevant for that matter.

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If you don't know they are Jewish comedians, then I'm surprised you know who they are at all

Sarah Silverman went on stage and said quote "I'm glad Jesus is dead, I'd do it again in a *blank* second". And nobody cared. Seinfeld made a rather racist depiction of a white gentile woman, and again, nobody cared.

Now, what do you think would happen, as demonstrated before, if a Christian went and made an outrageous comedy sketch about Jews or said something horrible about orthodox Judaism? There is a right answer, and there is a wrong answer.

That is why it is relevant.

Ah no I was being sarcastic to say nobody cares about them and they are not funny. That's in the way in which I mean they are not relevant. Not relevant to anyone...

They may very well be relevant to the topic of discussion.

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Sarah Silverman went on stage and said quote "I'm glad Jesus is dead, I'd do it again in a *blank* second". And nobody cared. Seinfeld made a rather racist depiction of a white gentile woman, and again, nobody cared.

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Family Guy makes fun of everybody on a pretty regular basis. South Park as well. People tend not to take serious people they know are just doing thing to get a rise.

Now, what do you think would happen, as demonstrated before, if a Christian went and made an outrageous comedy sketch about Jews or said something horrible about orthodox Judaism? There is a right answer, and there is a wrong answer.

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Please provide one of these demonstrations where a Christian comedian said something negative about Jews and then was thrown under the bus.

I think shows like family guy and (in particular) south park, are indicative of a society that has lost all courage when it comes to a coherent concept of the common good.

It's only shows like that that have the courage to say the things everybody thinks, as in the trickster archetype.

Since the holocaust, the reaction was initially to build a better society for all creeds and races. Since the 1960's, people have used and abused that to increasingly create a society that has so lost confidence in itself that common decent folk just keep quiet or joke amoung their friends and actual social commentry is left in the hands of fools, bigots and comedians. The only decent upright social commentators left are the ones in the Guardian. I do not mean that in a despairing way, it is just sad that no-one has the courage to call other people on their bull anymore save through the medium of humour. What happened the Belliocs and our Dickens' or, indeed, the Wollstonecrafts or Elizabeth Frys? Well, people are so aborbed with the folly that each individual has a right to their own moral code (as if moral codes even work like that) that people would rather tip-toe around the elephants in the room or turn them into a political fetish. Both ways of ensuring the cult of the individual remains intact.

The only people who have the courage to think differently as far as I can see are the millitant secularists. Ironically.

As for the SSPX guy, anti-semitic, uncharitable wacko? Quite probably. While I am sure he is far more intelligent and reasonable in real life than the media is making out, the holocaust was such a huge event that his stubborn refusal to pretend that it should have no effect on the Church's approach to its pastoral mission smacks to me of arrogance and folly of the highest order.

Having said that, is the pope right to ensure the unity of the Church in the face of worldly criticism? Also yes.

Hey, some of us aren't ok with forced relocations of millions of people. Obviously you are, mate. Some of us don't think Christianity depends on Judaism just like the ancient Church taught. Some of us aren't ok with not only stripping a people of their land and then continuing to encroach upon that land with settlements and cutting off supplies, water, and other things.

You talk about selective facts. Uh, hmmm, well, have you ever heard of Jewish extremists before? Are you living in a bubble where all Jews are covered in rainbows and unicorns and Muslims are all evil-doers? I guarantee if you had your home crushed and your belongings shoved into bags and people shot your family or gave you the boot into a dusty, nasty strip of land, you'd be a touch miffed. But since you live in the U.K. in the comfort of your Western infrastructure far far away from the strife, you can generate good guy Jew---Bad Guy Palestinians. And who are you to say the Christian Palestinians are not "real" Christians but just nominal ones? That takes some serious gaul and brass. The same could be said about you, me, or anyone?

Haven't you heard of the Jewish extremists in Israel? Did you miss that demographic? Just Google it!

But hey, if you're already ok with ripping millions of people off their land and telling them to go to Hades, why bother to care, right?

Zazal said:

I think if you are going to try and blame Israel for the plight of many Arab Christians you need to get your facts right...it is the Arab Moslems who live in Israel that have terrorized them not the Israelis...that's simply a lie.
Also some of the Christian Arabs are Christians by name only, and when you scratch below the surface you see that they support the Moslem Arabs, hate Israel and want the whole of the Middle-East to be Jew.free.

This is what Justus Reid Weiner ...( a man who is intimnately acquainted with what really goes on in Israel amongst the Palestinians)...said following a biased report on CNN that tried to blame Israel for the plight of the Arab Christians


I hear many stories about the atrocities committed by Israelis against Arab Christians in Judea and Samaria...but the vast majority are a complete fabrication....used to feed the willing gullibility of us ignorant Westerners who know so little about what really goes on and are fertile soil for Islamic and Arab propaganda that has the common goal of demonizing and delegitimizing Israel.

I wonder what your lovely Palestinian Orthodox friend made of the time they spent in Saudia Arabia, where the plight of Christians is a national disgrace.

In this day and age we have so much information at our finger-tips, but much of that information comes from unreliable sources, or sources used to deceive or present a narrative with a specific agenda....we must be very careful not to just 'cherry-pick' what suits our particular bias and do our best to find reliable sources.

Eastcoast_bsc quite rightly puts his finger on the use of the word 'Zionist' in some circles.

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gurneyhalleck1 said:

Haven't you heard of the Jewish extremists in Israel? Did you miss that demographic? Just Google it!

But hey, if you're already ok with ripping millions of people off their land and telling them to go to Hades, why bother to care, right?

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Jewish extremists scare me just as much as Muslim, Christian, (insert religion here) extremists. I think they all need to calm down and try to work at creating peace.

cathoaholicliz said:

Ah no I was being sarcastic to say nobody cares about them and they are not funny. That's in the way in which I mean they are not relevant. Not relevant to anyone...

They may very well be relevant to the topic of discussion.

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Oh

It's just that with this subject, because it can be a sensitive one, it's hard to tell sometimes if someone is joking or not.

LoAmmi said:

Please provide one of these demonstrations where a Christian comedian said something negative about Jews and then was thrown under the bus.

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A comedian wouldn't do it, because quite frankly, it would ruin their career. The person would be labeled antisemitic and 'thrown under the bus'. That is what political correctness and racial paranoia has done to the world.

But of course, you are going to deny that as being the truth.

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Hey, some of us aren't ok with forced relocations of millions of people. Obviously you are, mate.

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So it's okay in this day for them to insult anyone thy please without correction while others get crucified for even the tiniest disagreement they have with them?

I don't think so. What I think, is that society will come up with any excuse to give them the benefit of the doubt until their heads are at their heels, and all for their precious liberal guilt which is pretty much a fabrication in the liberal mindset, because the last time I checked, most of us weren't born during the Holocaust or have taken any part of them relocating.

Escaping accountability on the premise that you are Jewish is nonsense, and yet it is almost law as far as the current state of society is concerned. I'm part Native American, and Europe came over and killed my family and took my entire country away from me. Permanently. Can I go around saying whatever I want, heralding my blood and causing ruckus in the media?
Of course not, so Jews should be able to be criticized.

The only reason it has become so politically correct for this hypocrisy to go on is because we are Christians. And that just gives fuel to the fire. We can't even criticize Muslims in certain places, and their off literally clubbing people to death in free, 1st world countries.

So if you think waving that pity flag around is supposed to mean something in this debate, you may as well just leave it.

SilenceInMotion said:

A comedian wouldn't do it, because quite frankly, it would ruin their career. The person would be labeled antisemitic and 'thrown under the bus'. That is what political correctness and racial paranoia has done to the world.

But of course, you are going to deny that as being the truth.

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I cannot confirm or deny something you are unable to provide an example of it happening or not happening. But, of course, you're going to assert that what you say is the truth.

LoAmmi said:

I cannot confirm or deny something you are unable to provide an example of it happening or not happening. But, of course, you're going to assert that what you say is the truth.

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It is the truth. You can't even call out a single Jewish grievance on a forum without getting pummeled by half the site. Especially if it's a Christian site. Like this one.

Irony

I don't have to assert what is self-evident.

SilenceInMotion said:

It is the truth. You can't even call out a single Jewish grievance on a forum without getting pummeled by half the site. Especially if it's a Christian site. Like this one.

Irony.

I don't have to assert what is self-evident.

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What kind of grievances do you have? I hope you don't think I am pummeling anybody by asking for some examples.

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What kind of grievances do you have? I hope you don't think I am pummeling anybody by asking for some examples.

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Alright, here's a grievance: In the face of saying anything about Jews, the politically correct response is acting like an honest observation of the media and society still warrants needing examples or proof. I think it's purposeful ignorance for the sake of not being able to get over racial paranoia.

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Alright, here's a grievance: In the face of saying anything about Jews, the politically correct response is acting like an honest observation of the media and society still warrants needing examples or proof

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You can look over my posts here. I ask the same thing for any like claim. People's perceptions color their honest observations and when people cannot point out those observations to me, I begin to wonder if I am hearing their perception rather than their observations.

Your problem is that I would like you to backup your claims?