Sabbath was blessed by God and made holy. Sunday was never blessed by God. (2)

tzadik said:

Are you telling me that the Law of God was only one-dimensional serving only one purpose?

Exodus 24:12 “Now the LORD said to Moses, "Come up to Me on the mountain and remain there, and I will give you the stone tablets with the law and the commandment which I have written for their instruction."
Was this not a purpose of the Torah?

Deuteronomy 28:9 "The LORD will establish you as a holy people to Himself, as He swore to you, if you keep the commandments of the LORD your God and walk in His ways.”
Was this not a purpose of the Torah?

To think that the Torah was only good for one purpose is to not fully understand God’s perfect, good, righteous, spiritual and Holy Torah!

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stop reading from the past my dear bro..SCRIPTURE SAYS THE LAW CAME IN TO INCREASE THE SIN.

NOOOOOOO?

ROM 5;20.

Frogster said:

were gentiles under sabbath law? Were they ever stoned for not keeping sabbath?

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If you're gonna quote my post, atleast attempt to answer one of the questions. if not...feel free to use the quick post instead of replying to my post.

Thanks.

tzadik said:

If you're gonna quote my post, atleast attempt to answer one of the questions. if not...feel free to use the quick post instead of replying to my post.

Thanks.

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I HAVE REBUTTED THAT STUFF OVER AND OVER WITH YOU...


GEE....WERE THE GENTILES UNDER SABBATH LAWS? WERE THEY STONED IF THEY DID NOT KEEP IT?

MoreCoffee said:

Why was paragraph 1955 truncated in your post, JamesThaddeusMartin?

1955 The “divine and natural” law(GS 89 § 1.) shows man the way to follow so as to practice the good and attain his end. The natural law states the first and essential precepts which govern the moral life. It hinges upon the desire for God and submission to him, who is the source and judge of all that is good, as well as upon the sense that the other is one’s equal. Its principal precepts are expressed in the Decalogue. This law is called “natural,” not in reference to the nature of irrational beings, but because reason which decrees it properly belongs to human nature: (1787, 396, 2070)

Where then are these rules written, if not in the book of that light we call the truth? In it is written every just law; from it the law passes into the heart of the man who does justice, not that it migrates into it, but that it places its imprint on it, like a seal on a ring that passes onto wax, without leaving the ring.(St. Augustine, De Trin. 14, 15, 21: PL 42, 1052)

The natural law is nothing other than the light of understanding placed in us by God; through it we know what we must do and what we must avoid. God has given this light or law at the creation.(St. Thomas Aquinas, Dec. præc. I.)​

Why did you leave out paragraph 1954?

1954 Man participates in the wisdom and goodness of the Creator who gives him mastery over his acts and the ability to govern himself with a view to the true and the good. The natural law expresses the original moral sense which enables man to discern by reason the good and the evil, the truth and the lie: (307, 1776)

The natural law is written and engraved in the soul of each and every man, because it is human reason ordaining him to do good and forbidding him to sin... But this command of human reason would not have the force of law if it were not the voice and interpreter of a higher reason to which our spirit and our freedom must be submitted.( Leo XIII, Libertas præstantissimum, 597)​

And why is paragraph 1962 truncated?

1962 The Old Law is the first stage of revealed Law. Its moral prescriptions are summed up in the Ten Commandments. The precepts of the Decalogue lay the foundations for the vocation of man fashioned in the image of God; they prohibit what is contrary to the love of God and neighbor and prescribe what is essential to it. The Decalogue is a light offered to the conscience of every man to make God’s call and ways known to him and to protect him against evil: (2058)

God wrote on the tables of the Law what men did not read in their hearts.(St. Augustine, En. in Ps. 57, 1: PL 36, 673.)​

I can see what point you wish to make, but I cannot quite see how the CCC paragraphs make the point you want to make.

By the way, humble apologies for assuming you were SDA. It was a bad mistake, sorry.

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All is well...I try remain somewhat anonymous for sake of deflecting any bias. Mostly, it doesnt work ;-) Apology accepted.


The truncated paragraphs are not offered as such to hide any information that would not support the direction in which I was travelling.

My point is simple...the law (the moral law) the Decalogue, are most certainly an important and indispensably connected with grace and the work of Christ.

We have no need to fear the law...we love the law. It guides us and shows us our transgressions...we are obliged to keep it.

When we sin against God and man, we recognize that we have done so according to the revealed will of God...the Commandments. We confess our sins according to these laws, those which we have not kept.

We repent of transgressing the will of God, we seek forgiveness and reconciliation.

Yet, there are sins that are mortal....you understand this, correct? These sins are found layered within the revealed moral law (Decalogue) of God.

If not keeping these commandments becomes a "mortal" issue and the possibility of losing our relationship with God and consequently our salvation is possible...how can we say that the Commandments are not to be kept?

Even the OT Scriptures and the chosen people of God understood this. In Isaiah 55:7, repentance brings pardon and forgiveness of sin. Without repentance, one cannot secure pardon and forgiveness of sin.

It is not fear but love that drives the redeemed to keep the law of God...but we strive to keep it. The Gospel offers grace and forgiveness to do so. But there is a point in which a person has transgressed the law of God to a state where he can forfeit their salvation for doing so.


JTM

Frogster said:

I HAVE REBUTTED THAT STUFF OVER AND OVER WITH YOU...


GEE....WERE THE GENTILES UNDER SABBATH LAWS? WERE THEY STONED IF THEY DID NOT KEEP IT?

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yawn.

20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

frogster said:

what happens if we live under law?

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Are we living under fear or love? Are we attempting to merit (earn) salvation from it or live it to fulfill the will of God in love and grace?


JTM

tzadik said:

yawn.

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GEE....I MEAN IF THEY WERE UNDER SABBY LAW, THERE WOULD BE STONINGS, YET THEY WERE NOT STONED, SO DOESN'T COMMON SENSE DICTATE THAT THAT SABBY WAS NOT FOR GENTILES?


PASSOVER OF THE ????????????



1.John 2:13
[ Jesus Cleanses the Temple ] The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
John 2:12-14 (in Context) John 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2.John 6:4
Now the Passover, the feast of the Jews, was at hand.
John 6:3-5 (in Context) John 6 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
3.John 11:55
Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and many went up from the country to Jerusalem before the Passover to purify themselves.

Frogster said:

stop reading from the past my dear bro..SCRIPTURE SAYS THE LAW CAME IN TO INCREASE THE SIN.

NOOOOOOO?

ROM 5;20.

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"Hi, I'm froggy and I believe that the Law of God only served on purpose, even though the Bible is filled with dozens of purposes for God's Holy Law."

JamesThaddeusMartin said:

Are we living under fear or love? Are we attempting to merit (earn) salvation from it or live it to fulfill the will of God in love and grace?


JTM

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UNDER LAW THERE WAS FEAR.


Rom 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”

tzadik said:

"Hi, I'm froggy and I believe that the Law of God only served on purpose, even though the Bible is filled with dozens of purposes for God's Holy Law."

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refute the verse.

Originally Posted by tzadik If you're gonna quote my post, atleast attempt to answer one of the questions. if not...feel free to use the quick post instead of replying to my post.

Thanks.

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Frogster said:

I HAVE REBUTTED THAT STUFF OVER AND OVER WITH YOU...

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I think a lot of us have...but that the scriptures may be fulfilled:

Zechariah 7:11 "But they refused to heed, shrugged their shoulders, and stopped their ears so that they could not hear.

Acts 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, stopped their ears, and ran at him with one accord;

tzadik said:

"Hi, I'm froggy and I believe that the Law of God only served on purpose, even though the Bible is filled with dozens of purposes for God's Holy Law."

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Rib-it

"Even though there is no theocratic judicial system in place in the land, I still want stoning to be done, by the will of the people.”

“I also love arguing from silence. If there are no mentions of stoning of Gentile in the “NT” I have no choice but to assume that Gentiles did not keep the Sabbath, even though there are dozens of mentions of Gentiles, Greek and even entire city congregating on God’s Holy Day.”

LittleLambofJesus said:

I think a lot of us have...but that the scriptures may be fulfilled:

Zechariah 7:11 "But they refused to heed, shrugged their shoulders, and stopped their ears so that they could not hear.

Acts 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, stopped their ears, and ran at him with one accord;

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Frogster said:

refute the verse.

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There's no need to refute it. I agree with it!
Everybody knows that specific purpose of the Law of God.

But that's not it's ONLY purpose.

tzadik said:

"Even though there is no theocratic judicial system in place in the land, I still want stoning to be done, by the will of the people.”

“I also love arguing from silence. If there are no mentions of stoning of Gentile in the “NT” I have no choice but to assume that Gentiles did not keep the Sabbath, even though there are dozens of mentions of Gentiles, Greek and even entire city congregating on God’s Holy Day.”

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oh come on, no gentiles were ever stoned for not keeping sabby.

ohhhhhh tzaaaaadik.....lookie here....no gentiles...they did not have the law..take a peep, then get back to froggy. rib-it.





Psalm 147:19 He declares his word to Jacob,his statutes and rules to Israel.20 He has not dealt thus with any other nation;they do not know his rules.
Praise the LORD!


2 Chronicles 2:4 Behold, I am about to build a house for the name of the LORD my God and dedicate it to him for the burning of incense of sweet spices before him, and for the regular arrangement of the showbread, and for burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths and the new moons and the appointed feasts of the LORD our God, as ordained forever for Israel.

John 2:13
The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

John 6:4
Now the Passover, the feast of the Jews, was at hand.

John 11:55
Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and many went up from the country to Jerusalem before the Passover to purify themselves

1 Cor 9:21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.


Rom 2:12 For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.

Exodus 12:48
When a stranger sojourning with you wishes to keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Rib-it

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ribster loves lambster.

Frogster said:

UNDER LAW THERE WAS FEAR.


Rom 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”

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Jn 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
Jn 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me
1 Jn 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments
1 Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
2 Jn 6 And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
Rev 12:17 who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Rev 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.


JTM