An all out assault on calvinism in the SBC

Osage Bluestem · Jun 7, 2012

His_disciple3 said:
So God/Jesus said that He would rather that we be hot or Cold, but not lukewarm, so if you are correct then wouldn't all christian be hot always????

No. God has predestimed all sin for a good purpose. The sin mentioned above was probably predestined to teach us that the lukewarm are either not real believers and are only united to the church by their false profession and will soon be spit out or that they are believers who are quencing the spirit by heeding the flesh. Their sin happened so that it could be recorded in the bible to show us that Jesus doesn't approve of worldliness among those who profess him.

Hupomone10 · Jun 7, 2012

Osage Bluestem said:
No. God has predestimed all sin for a good purpose. The sin mentioned above was probably predestined to teach us that the lukewarm are either not real believers and are only united to the church by their false profession and will soon be spit out or that they are believers who are quencing the spirit by heeding the flesh. Their sin happened so that it could be recorded in the bible to show us that Jesus doesn't approve of worldliness among those who profess him.

What about the last person who sins before the rapture? Who was his sin predestined to show? People with the Lord in their perfected bodies that cannot sin?

Osage Bluestem · Jun 7, 2012

Hupomone10 said:
What about the last person who sins before the rapture? Who was his sin predestined to show? People with the Lord in their perfected bodies that cannot sin?

Whatever the reason it will be for it will be for the right reason because God is perfect and does everything perfectly.

DeaconDean · Jun 7, 2012

Behe's Boy said:
I cant read Greek but appreciate the insight from those who can. I would have to disagree and say that this is absolutely a great place to cite and expound upon it.

Yea, its a very bad thing.

Just let people argue over what the various versions say and not what the original languages said.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Hupomone10 · Jun 8, 2012

Osage Bluestem said:
Whatever the reason it will be for it will be for the right reason because God is perfect and does everything perfectly.

With that I agree, with the qualification that it is not God doing or causing the sin; it is the man. Hence, the consequences are to the man.

WinBySurrender · Jun 8, 2012

Arggh! The same old tired exchanges over the same old tired debate. What no one seems to understand is this really isn't important, regardless of what either side or the middle seems to think.

Outta here, with blessings.

desmalia · Jun 8, 2012

Doctrine is always important. "Being right" in a debate is not.

Kormagh · Jun 10, 2012

http://centuri0n.blogspot.com/2012/06/southern-baptist-diagnostics.html?m=1

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His_disciple3 · Jun 10, 2012

Osage Bluestem said:
No. God has predestimed all sin for a good purpose. The sin mentioned above was probably predestined to teach us that the lukewarm are either not real believers and are only united to the church by their false profession and will soon be spit out or that they are believers who are quencing the spirit by heeding the flesh. Their sin happened so that it could be recorded in the bible to show us that Jesus doesn't approve of worldliness among those who profess him.

so what you are saying is that God causes some to sin??

Osage Bluestem · Jun 10, 2012

His_disciple3 said:
so what you are saying is that God causes some to sin??

People sin. God doesn't. His plans that include sinful action on the part of creatures to acheive his perfect goals are accomplished by secondary causes. His plan is perfect and things always work out the way God wants in the end because of his wisdom.

Kormagh · Jun 23, 2012

Compare
http://www.reformed.org/documents/i...p://www.reformed.org/documents/cambridge.html

With the OP link

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His_disciple3 · Jun 23, 2012

Osage Bluestem said:
People sin. God doesn't. His plans that include sinful action on the part of creatures to acheive his perfect goals are accomplished by secondary causes. His plan is perfect and things always work out the way God wants in the end because of his wisdom.

so mankind fell and God restored those that would call upon His SON, and those that won't are cast out, but now the way you see it is that God elects and the elect are the ones that call upon His Son, but what if His perfect plan was that those that Will believe in The Son and answer the calling of God to believe in His Son will be restored. the only thing wrong will your theory is you say God has the perfect plan, but you interpetation of the perfect plan is faulty, for the Bible teaches that some will reject Jesus Christ, so not "ALL that are Called will submit, But on the other hand if By His foreknowledge He knew who would call then His election is perfect, for if His election is based on His foreknowledge as it says it is, then "ALL" that are elected will submit and "ALL that submit are elected! or we could tell the truth of the whole matter and when the Bible speaks of the elect, it is referring to His Chosen nation/ the Jews/Israelites. so when Paul said that "ALL" that he went though, he did it for the Elect's/JEW's sake that they might obtain salvation also, now we are rightly dividing

Osage Bluestem · Jun 24, 2012

His_disciple3 said:
so mankind fell and God restored those that would call upon His SON, and those that won't are cast out, but now the way you see it is that God elects and the elect are the ones that call upon His Son, but what if His perfect plan was that those that Will believe in The Son and answer the calling of God to believe in His Son will be restored. the only thing wrong will your theory is you say God has the perfect plan, but you interpetation of the perfect plan is faulty, for the Bible teaches that some will reject Jesus Christ, so not "ALL that are Called will submit, But on the other hand if By His foreknowledge He knew who would call then His election is perfect, for if His election is based on His foreknowledge as it says it is, then "ALL" that are elected will submit and "ALL that submit are elected! or we could tell the truth of the whole matter and when the Bible speaks of the elect, it is referring to His Chosen nation/ the Jews/Israelites. so when Paul said that "ALL" that he went though, he did it for the Elect's/JEW's sake that they might obtain salvation also, now we are rightly dividing

God has a perfect plan on which he is sovereign over everything and he works everything according to the council of his will. He uses secondary causes to bring about his plans. You misunderstand sovereignty and secondary causes and that is why your theology is so messed up.

AndOne · Jun 24, 2012

Osage Bluestem said:
God has a perfect plan on which he is sovereign over everything and he works everything according to the council of his will. He uses secondary causes to bring about his plans.

An all out assault on calvinism in the SBC

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