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you are right in saying that we cannot FORCE anyone to do anything against their will....

the NT says that the god of this world has blinded their eyes from seeing the glorious light of JESUS and the gospel....

we are also told that if someone claims to be a christian but does not act like a christian... we are to consider them as a heathen.... which means to pray for their salvation.... and speak to them the way we would an unsaved person.... lead them to CHRIST..... and all HE has for them....

don't be discouraged brother.... we are praying for her salvation... and the proper fruit that accompanies such true salvation....

an unsaved person CANNOT produce fruit in keeping with salvation.... and we cannot FORCE them to produce fruit as you said....

but if we pray for them to truly meet and KNOW CHRIST.... HE will indwell them.... and they WILL automatically produce GODLY fruit....

JESUS said that there will be many who say LORD LORD.... but HE will say I NEVER KNEW you.... that means they NEVER got saved..... praying that your wife enters into CHRIST.... and into LIFE....

the good news is that if we speak ONLY GOD'S WORD over the situation it WILL change to match GOD'S WORD.... what they say to her or about you is the words of man... the WORDS of GOD coming out of our mouths is UNFATHOMLY more POWERFUL than ANY of their WORD'S.... if we do not grow weary.... and HOLD to GOD'S WORD.... like joshua and caleb did.... joshua and caleb chose to BELIEVE and speak the report of the LORD.... and deny and REJECT the report of man....

love... prayers.... blessings....
 
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If you are not really sure she is born again pray this.

For the Lord to send labourers to speak the Gospel to her.

Matt 9:37-38
37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few ;

38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.
KJV


When those labourers talk to her do this.

In the Name of Jesus bind the blindness from her mind and loose the light of the glorious gospel.

2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
KJV


In the event that you are sure she is saved pray this.

Eph 1:17-18

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
KJV

Just put her name in it.
 
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If you are not really sure she is born again pray this.

For the Lord to send labourers to speak the Gospel to her.

Matt 9:37-38
37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few ;

38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.
KJV


When those labourers talk to her do this.

In the Name of Jesus bind the blindness from her mind and loose the light of the glorious gospel.

2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
KJV


In the event that you are sure she is saved pray this.

Eph 1:17-18

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
KJV

Just put her name in it.

this is good advice.
also remember that as her husband you are to love her as Jesus loved the church. He loved us before we knew Him. Read the Beatitudes for they are good teaching, but also focus on why Jesus taught them, and how He taught them.

one of the things that we sometimes forget is that we don't just go to church, we ARE the church reaching out to others, living our lives before them, so that by what we say and in what we do they might see Christ.

as you know there is a vast difference between knowing about Christ and knowing Christ. From what you have said here, your wife is in the first category, in that she knows about Christ. So do the demons of hell, and they fear Him.

Teach her what it is to know Christ, and how your life is different now.

Read the Gospels to her, making time each day to put God's word before her, and talk with her about what the people and the disciples were learning from Jesus when He was with them.

talk about the 3 temptations of Christ and the temptation of Eve, showing her how satan always uses these three ways to try to trick us.

and may God bless all the days that you live for Him.:prayer:
 
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also remember that as her husband you are to love her as Jesus loved the church.


Yes, lots of folks like to quote that... but Love does not force Himself upon anyone and Love is willing to let someone go their own way if that's their free will decision.

She doesn't want to me to "spoon feed her" and gets offended if I try to talk too much to her about what the Bible teaches. So, Jesus backs off with members of the Body of Christ if they want to be worldly and not get close to Him... how can I do any different?

My whole problem within myself is that I wanted her to be "on fire" for the Lord and be excited about her relationship with Him and participate in the Gospel...but that gets in the way of her hobbies (she likes quilting, and decorative sewing stuff) and her TV watching.

She apparently doesn't think she should spend much time praying or studying the Word to grow. Her idea is that she is "saved" (she does confess that she believes Jesus went to the cross and paid for her sins, so she does technically say the right things concerning salvation), so that should be all that matters...no need to "get all religious".

If all one has to do is confess Jesus as Savior without making Him Lord (Boss of their lives, following and being led by Him), I guess she's OK. God has taught me that He purchased me with a price, I am not my own and as such He desires for me to open my entire life unto Him and let Him in without reserve... she's not on board with that idea.... and that's the basic rift.

Her family is now telling me that I cannot force her to live for God is she doesn't want to, and I have to agree because I don't see God forcing Himself upon people, do you?

So, based on how Love is... I cannot continually try to get her to be on fire for Jesus and I must be willing to allow her to take the "basic fire insurance policy" approach since this is how her words and actions say she wants to be. I've found that the "Comprehensive Policy" approach is much more fun, exciting, and rewarding because of God's correction, leading, and fellowship....

God will judge... meanwhile, yes I'll stand in the spiritual arena to prevent devils from attempting to deliver delusions to her, and continue casting my care upon the Lord for the parts of all this that are dependent upon her free will.
 
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one thing we can do precious brother is agree with you in prayer.... if we ask anything according to GOD'S WORD.... which is HIS will.... we will have what we ask / agree for....

if you post a specific WORD prayer/confession we can agree with you.... we can join in faith with you on what GOD'S WORD says.... HIS WORD always works....

one problem with posting the PROBLEM is that.... you can/will get agreement on the problem.... but you don't want more of the problem.... you want what GOD'S WORD promises....

wof are trained/ in training.... to ignore/make light of the PROBLEM.... and claim and TAKE what GOD says.... we deny the rights of what we see hear feel think.... we TAKE by FAITH what GOD says IS ours through CHRIST....

we talk think act like EVERYTHING that CONTRADICTS GOD'S WORD is illegal.... and is arrested and thrown out.... by speaking thinking acting on GOD'S WORD....

we would be glad to help you to do that.... we are the wrong people to get agreement with on the problem.... we are the right people to get agreement with on GOD'S promises for you and your situation..... wof are trained/training to speak the PROMISE.... to eliminate the problem....

any of charles capps minibooks on the creative power of words would be an excellent resource to wonderfully explain this BIBLE principle....

love.... peace.... blessings....
 
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The "problem" is free will... if you find a scripture that gives me the right to take authority over her free will, please let me know.

I appreciate WOF teachings very much as they are scriptural, but I know Kenneth Copeland teaches that you cannot force anybody to do anything and God cannot either since He's the One who gave us free will in the first place.

Besides, other than the talking to evil spirits thing which isn't happening anymore (and I'll be watching for that in the future), I'm probably blowing this all out of proportion.

As stated before... she says the right stuff to make one believe she is born again.

Does that make me selfish for wanting her to go further with her relationship with the Father to the point where she is on fire and excited about God??? How could someone not be excited about having a close personal relationship with our Creator???

If all this is about what I want... then I don't know how to proceed other than what Copeland teaches and that is to allow people the right to have their own free will.
 
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it's actually all about what GOD wants.... GOD makes HIS will clear.... confessing what GOD wants will produce results....

ANYONE'S free will is INFLUENCED by GOD'S WORD and prayers.... eg.

my wife shall love the LORD her GOD with all her heart soul mind and strength....

no weapon formed against my wife shall prosper.....

pray and speak even just these 2 scriptures... they will INFLUENCE her will....

unconditional LOVE can influence her will....

loving faith-filled prayers can influence her will....

offending her can NEGATIVELY influence her will....

people can be negatively brainwashed.... that is using pressure to INFLUENCE their will....
 
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If you are not really sure she is born again pray this.

For the Lord to send labourers to speak the Gospel to her.

Matt 9:37-38
37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few ;

38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.
KJV


When those labourers talk to her do this.

In the Name of Jesus bind the blindness from her mind and loose the light of the glorious gospel.

2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
KJV


In the event that you are sure she is saved pray this.

Eph 1:17-18

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
KJV

Just put her name in it.
power in prayer using the word Amen
 
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The "problem" is free will... if you find a scripture that gives me the right to take authority over her free will, please let me know.

I appreciate WOF teachings very much as they are scriptural, but I know Kenneth Copeland teaches that you cannot force anybody to do anything and God cannot either since He's the One who gave us free will in the first place.

Besides, other than the talking to evil spirits thing which isn't happening anymore (and I'll be watching for that in the future), I'm probably blowing this all out of proportion.

As stated before... she says the right stuff to make one believe she is born again.

Does that make me selfish for wanting her to go further with her relationship with the Father to the point where she is on fire and excited about God??? How could someone not be excited about having a close personal relationship with our Creator???

If all this is about what I want... then I don't know how to proceed other than what Copeland teaches and that is to allow people the right to have their own free will.

I have not seen you say you have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, though you may have. It occurrs to me that you need to have the gifts of the Spirit working operating in your situation. Be sure of your authority in Christ, that know you have all power over the enemy. Identify the foul spirit(s) you are dealing with and that when you bind the demon you are dealing and know that he remains bound. This would give you the time to learn what you need to do next.
 
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You could explain the covenant to her. How every man received an unregerate nature of "death' that came from Adam and Eve's sin.

The result of the nature change resulted in mankind's fruit being evil. Certain behaviors are judged in the Word and we've all had bitterness or hatred in our hearts. Their isn't one of us who hasn't lit a fire with our tongues and spoken curses over the unsuspecting hearer. We treat people in kind and the whole world lies in darkness. (Many scriptures show how Satan runs a fallen world -- so to speak). The fruits all have judgment and they all point to the need of a savior. This is to save us from going to Hell (and it's certainty).

Scripture indicates how the evil (those who sin) or those who sin and are not cleansed will be judged. Only the blood of Jesus can cleanse. Only His life within us can change our fruit to reflect the nature of the one living in us (the Christian). As a temple of God, we must walk worthy of the Lord.

The rewards for walking in the light or darkness are clearly in scripture.

For the Christian, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord
. For the non-Christian, it is to be judged in Hell, and that takes a number of forms and judgments depending on your fruit. The surety of God judging us, or passing from judgment into life negates any other "fate" of the dead wandering around.

A knowledge of the spiritual realm with angels and devils working for the kingdoms help to clear up who's around to influence the lives of us here.
The nature of deception (lots of the Word on this too) and what's on the line makes it imperative for each of us to understand the rules of "the game".

The devil showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world in a moment's time and your soul can be shown all sorts of deceptive pictures, but the truth of the Word and God's statutes forever endure. Teaching on the Word and it's place and importance as absolute truth is also good learning. "Hath God said..?" is the original lie, and YES, He did say(!).

My old friend only acknowledges the red letter as absolute truth
, but if you read how many scriptures were fulfilled in the OT (it points to almost every book, if not every book) then it and Jesus actively prove that the entire revelation of God in the Bible is something that will stand when all the smoke of deception clears. In the end it won't matter who we're married to that knew the Lord, we'll all answer for our behavior, and whether or not we chose to follow Christ.
 
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Does that make me selfish for wanting her to go further with her relationship with the Father to the point where she is on fire and excited about God??? How could someone not be excited about having a close personal relationship with our Creator???

Of course you want to walk in unity with your wife. If she is in darkness, that is impossible. You can go on loving and serving God. The example of your life "without the Word" can save her. She will still have to choose. You can create a loving and Spirit filled environment and along with interceding for her, that is all you can do.

If all this is about what I want... then I don't know how to proceed other than what Copeland teaches and that is to allow people the right to have their own free will.

God will never violate freewill, but He does give you keys to influence someone's world that are second to none. Never underestimate your power of prayer for her and the words you speak of her, and to her, and around her make for something that will either bind her or help to free her. Some things take time. But your prayers will only really be effectual if you're putting God first and that means letting her choose on her own in her own time.
 
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The "problem" is free will... if you find a scripture that gives me the right to take authority over her free will, please let me know.
concerning rebuking these demonic spirits that are coming against your wife. know that as they come against her, they come against you as well.

Ephesians 5th chapter

22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

There is the Word, you are the head of your wife, you two are one flesh. as the head of your wife you have the right to rebuke those demons in Jesus Name, you have as much right as the father had who brought his demonic boy to the Lord, to have em cast out.

Be on extreme guard they are deceptive don't let them attack your love for your wife, you may need to pray and fast.
 
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You could explain the covenant to her. How every man received an unregerate nature of "death' that came from Adam and Eve's sin.

The result of the nature change resulted in mankind's fruit being evil. Certain behaviors are judged in the Word and we've all had bitterness or hatred in our hearts. Their isn't one of us who hasn't lit a fire with our tongues and spoken curses over the unsuspecting hearer. We treat people in kind and the whole world lies in darkness. (Many scriptures show how Satan runs a fallen world -- so to speak). The fruits all have judgment and they all point to the need of a savior. This is to save us from going to Hell (and it's certainty).

Scripture indicates how the evil (those who sin) or those who sin and are not cleansed will be judged. Only the blood of Jesus can cleanse. Only His life within us can change our fruit to reflect the nature of the one living in us (the Christian). As a temple of God, we must walk worthy of the Lord.

The rewards for walking in the light or darkness are clearly in scripture.

For the Christian, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord
. For the non-Christian, it is to be judged in Hell, and that takes a number of forms and judgments depending on your fruit. The surety of God judging us, or passing from judgment into life negates any other "fate" of the dead wandering around.

A knowledge of the spiritual realm with angels and devils working for the kingdoms help to clear up who's around to influence the lives of us here.
The nature of deception (lots of the Word on this too) and what's on the line makes it imperative for each of us to understand the rules of "the game".

The devil showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world in a moment's time and yoursoul can be shown all sorts of deceptive pictures, but the truth of the Word and God's statutes forever endure. Teaching on the Word and it's place and importance as absolute truth is also good learning. "Hath God said..?" is the original lie, and YES, He did say(!).

My old friend only acknowledges the red letter as absolute truth
, but if you read how many scriptures were fulfilled in the OT (it points to almost every book, if not every book) then it and Jesus actively prove that the entire revelation of God in the Bible is something that will stand when all the smoke of deception clears. In the end it won't matter who we're married to that knew the Lord, we'll all answer for our behavior, and whether or not we chose to follow Christ.

Not to be off topic but curious, how will Christians answer and what would they have to be judged for. Assuming that judgement would come after answering. Keeping the thought that all sin past present and future was paid for at the cross. He could say depart from me, or well done my good and faithfull servant, is one example I can think of.
 
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concerning rebuking these demonic spirits that are coming against your wife. know that as they come against her, they come against you as well.

Ephesians 5th chapter

22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

There is the Word, you are the head of your wife, you two are one flesh. as the head of your wife you have the right to rebuke those demons in Jesus Name, you have as much right as the father had who brought his demonic boy to the Lord, to have em cast out.

Be on extreme guard they are deceptive don't let them attack your love for your wife, you may need to pray and fast.
To be fair 1st Corinthians 7 vs. 15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. I am in no way saying this is advice to James , but more of a statement that circumstances are different
for every one and by much prayer and trust in Gods will he will take you to your destiny. Your wife needs to know that things of this nature are wrong, she may have been raised to think there OK. There are many Christians on the wrong path even in these forums people often use occult symbols and they may not know its wrong. One time I had a pagan fertility symbol around my neck thought it was a fancy cross, thank God a preacher pointed it out
 
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Someone we know recently died of some sickness (still waiting to hear cause of death) after being sick for a couple of months.

So, the other day my wife was having a bad kinda day where she was irritable and acting upset which is kinda normal for her sometimes (I'm active in church, she won't go but does claim to believe God raised Jesus from the dead for her sins - she says she is a Christian).

The other morning, she got this strange look on her face and said "I'll be right back" and rushed out side. She didn't act like the building was on fire or any emergency like that so I didn't follow her out.

When she came back in, she said she had seen this this guy that we both knew that had recently died, and he had spoken to her. I enjoy studying God's Word and I know enough to that this is a familiar spirit (a devil) that is claiming to be this guy that recently died.

So, we talked a little about this and she is convinced that there is nothing wrong with talking to dead people and even thinks dead people stay here on earth contacting those of us that are still here.

I know of a few scriptures about necromancy, sorcery, divination but I've never studied this issue in depth to have a nice list of scriptural examples of why this sort of thing is not cool with the Lord Jesus Christ. But, now I need to go on a crash course on this subject so I can at least present her with alot of biblical reasons why this is dangerous. You know, something besides me just saying it's wrong.

So, anybody have an scriptures, and examples from scripture for me to add to my collection that show this kinda thing is wrong? Thanks in advance!

Those are demons impersonating or pretending dead people so you think you're talking to the person who died but actually it was a demon to deceive you.
 
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I had posted this...

Scripture indicates how the evil (those who sin) or those who sin and are not cleansed will be judged. Only the blood of Jesus can cleanse. Only His life within us can change our fruit to reflect the nature of the one living in us (the Christian). As a temple of God, we must walk worthy of the Lord.

The rewards for walking in the light or darkness are clearly in scripture.

For the Christian, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord
. For the non-Christian, it is to be judged in Hell, and that takes a number of forms and judgments depending on your fruit.
Not to be off topic but curious, how will Christians answer and what would they have to be judged for. Assuming that judgement would come after answering. Keeping the thought that all sin past present and future was paid for at the cross. He could say depart from me, or well done my good and faithfull servant, is one example I can think of.

Finally getting back to this...

All persons will be judged for the things done in the body. Even though we're Christians, we're still capable of lying, fornicating, and all of the many things listed in the Word as detestable to God. We have to judge ourselves. As you say, workers of iniquity will depart, so even Christians must realize that we cannot take part in iniquity and expect to be cleansed (without repentance).

If someone thinks they are a Christian (as in the wife in the OP), then they must consider that God WILL judge them for their actions, regardless of whether or not they consider themselves a temple of God. It's a wake-up call to those who do things mentioned in the scripture (the biggest is not living for God, loving Him with our all).
 
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Someone we know recently died of some sickness (still waiting to hear cause of death) after being sick for a couple of months.

So, the other day my wife was having a bad kinda day where she was irritable and acting upset which is kinda normal for her sometimes (I'm active in church, she won't go but does claim to believe God raised Jesus from the dead for her sins - she says she is a Christian).

The other morning, she got this strange look on her face and said "I'll be right back" and rushed out side. She didn't act like the building was on fire or any emergency like that so I didn't follow her out.

When she came back in, she said she had seen this this guy that we both knew that had recently died, and he had spoken to her. I enjoy studying God's Word and I know enough to that this is a familiar spirit (a devil) that is claiming to be this guy that recently died.

So, we talked a little about this and she is convinced that there is nothing wrong with talking to dead people and even thinks dead people stay here on earth contacting those of us that are still here.

I know of a few scriptures about necromancy, sorcery, divination but I've never studied this issue in depth to have a nice list of scriptural examples of why this sort of thing is not cool with the Lord Jesus Christ. But, now I need to go on a crash course on this subject so I can at least present her with alot of biblical reasons why this is dangerous. You know, something besides me just saying it's wrong.

So, anybody have an scriptures, and examples from scripture for me to add to my collection that show this kinda thing is wrong? Thanks in advance!

It does not sound like she is "practicing" sorcery. If she has been speaking to the dead since she was six (as I think you said in another post), then she is not purposefully conjuring anything, and I think that that must be taken into account here.

You have said that you should not try to override her free will, and I agree completely - but that does not make you helpless in this situation. Perhaps you just need to tackle this problem from a new angle. (And, of course, remain in constant prayer.)

When Paul preached in Athens, he talked about walking around and looking at the idols. For this reason, he was able to speak to the Athenians about the "unknown god". We today would look askance at anyone seeking out the idols of Greek gods, and surely the Jews of the first century would have been equally shocked by such behavior, and yet Paul, in the freedom of Christ, did exactly that.

The temptation to "consult the dead" does not seem to be one of your weaknesses, and so you should be willing and able to enter your wife's view of the world in order to draw her up to God, just as Paul did for the Athenians, just as Christ did for us.

What you could examine together is not whether she is condemnable for speaking to "the dead", but whether "the dead" are speaking the Truth. In this way, you will be speaking the truth to her in love. (That last part is the hardest bit.)

If Paul was willing to "become all things to all men so that by all possible means" he might save some, than how much more should a man be willing to suspend his distaste for his wife's worldly view in order that she should be shown God's crazy grace?

Peace, brother. :)
 
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Why not get her into Sid Roth's show. He investigates Godly supernatural. If she is so hungry for the things of the spirit and sensitive to the spirit world. It should be channeled into learning how to soak, how to hear GOD... Most witches/psychics "naturals" are people who want more and more of God because once you really encounter him the counterfeit smells like rotten fish.
 
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