"The Science Book!"

"The Science Book!"

It has been said, “...The Bible is not to be treated as a science book. ...” and so...

... I want to talk to you about Science.

Let us ask the question then,

"WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF SCIENCE? AND WHAT IS SCIENCE OR THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD?"


The answer seems to be that,

The word Science (in English) is derived from the Latin scientia (meaning “knowledge”) and is generally defined as the state of knowing (to know as distinguished from ignorance and/or misunderstanding) as well as referring to any systematic knowledge or practice. It is the observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of any given phenomena.

The word also has a more restricted use whereby the definition is confined to the system of acquiring knowledge (definable data) based upon the scientific method, as well as to the organized body of knowledge (useful, recognizable and repeatable information) gained through such research.

There are several major umbrella classifications for the empirical (dependant upon physical evidence(s) or consequences and able to be observed through the known senses) sciences.

1. The Natural sciences (which is the study of natural phenomena and biological aspects) such as Astronomy, Biology, Chemistry, Earth sciences, Physics and the Cross-disciplines (i.e. biophysics, geophysics, etc.), which generally fall into 'experimental science'.

2. The Social sciences (which is the study of human behavior and societal aspects) such as Anthropology, Economics, Education, Geography, Law, Linguistics, Political sciences, Psychology, Sociology and additional fields (i.e. Information science, Sociobiology, etc).

3. The term Formal sciences (which is the study of abstract formal systems), is sometimes used additionally for classifying the various fields of mathematics (logic, statistics, computer science and/or information theory) and is also used in the formation of hypotheses, theories and laws. Mathematics is slightly different in its approach as it does not strictly use empirical methods to verify its knowledge, but rather a priori (in Latin meaning “from what comes before”, “before experience” and is a deductive reasoning process) methods.

4. Other science is that which falls into the Historical sciences, as anything generally pertaining to the study of the past, events, places, persons, etc., such as Archeology, Paleontology, Crime Scene Investigation, Origins etc. [though empirical science is done in each, it generally reveals things about past events which can only be approximated]

Science is a tool that is used to obtain and/or produce useful and sometimes repeatable models of reality. This means that science attempts to produce models with useful predictions and also attempts to describe what is. Using science mankind gathers an ever growing body of recognizable useful information, understanding and/or knowledge of any and all defined systems and can only approach the whole of understanding, but can never actually attain it. A mental image of this definition would be that science can be represented by everything within a circle and everything that is yet unknown (realized and unrealized) is outside of the circle; while the circle can always become ever larger, there will always be an indefinite/infinite set of unknowns outside of it.

Science, in which something is used in querying, defining, testing, demonstrating and finally repeating... so that it may be written, published and made known to the whole world.

A person hast said, “...God is not interested in teaching man about science because God already gave man the intellect to discover scientific truths on his own. ...” and “...The Bible is not to be treated as a science book. ...”

So, is this true? Is the Bible not a science book?...

...and what then is the Science of all Sciences...? What should we be studying?

What is it? Is it a study of the heavens?

When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; Psalms 8:3

When we go outside at night into an area where earthly light is absent and look up into the spacious heavens, we see marvelous treasures of light, glittering and incandescent, filling the vastness of the dark sky, wonders beheld and mysterious.

Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south. Job 9:9

Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Job 38:31

[Seek him] that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD [is] his name: Amos 5:8

Is it a study of the earth and the things therein?

Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: Proverbs 6:6

The spider taketh hold with her hands, and is in kings' palaces. Proverbs 30:28

Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times; and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the judgment of the LORD. Jeremiah 8:7

Or is it some study of something yet to be discovered?

Consider...

Many will consider how mankind has gone to the moon, only to look back upon the earth from their vantage point, and yet a great deal of those same many, will not consider that God was already looking back from His vantage point... "God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were [any] that did understand, that did seek God."

...these think mankind can go so far to have such a view of the earth, but such a being as God? "Never.", they think.

Many will consider how mankind has built machines and built a 'space station' orbiting the earth for men to dwell in among the heaven, and they call down to earth via transmissions, invisible to the naked eye, and speak to many upon the earth, and yet a great deal of those same many, will not consider that God is already "far above all heavens", who is "The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, [and] seek God.", who speaks to the human heart/mind in ways we do not understand.

...these think that mankind can go up [ascend] and come down [descend], but such a being as God? "Never.", they think.

Many will consider the seasons, the sun and moon and the stars, the heavens, and the weather and come to some understanding of the order present in them, and be able to determine patterns and plan ahead accordingly and make great calculations, and yet a great deal of those same many, will not consider that God is declared the "Alpha and Omega", the "Beginning and the End", "the First and the Last", "the Author and Finisher of our Faith...", who "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done,..."

...these think that mankind can with relatively good accuracy determine certain physical phenomena, even as it is said, "And in the morning, [It will be] foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O [ye] hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not [discern] the signs of the times?", but such a being as God who has foretold the whole of human history upon this earth as in Daniel and Revelation? "Never.", they think.

Many will consider how there are great plans to go on some far-distant mission, far away from home, sacrificing much, even leaving family and friends behind, enduring hardship and trials, suffering for the sake of others, to obtain something of great value, and yet a great deal of those same many, will not consider how that God [Christ Jesus], left the Throne of Heaven, left the 99 in the Heavens to come and seek and save that which was lost, the 1, sacrificing much, and suffering and enduring hardships and trials, to obtain something of great value.

...these think that mankind is so noble a being, but such a being as God? "Never.", they think.

Many will consider in their minds and conceive of building a city, of machines and technology, where thousands dwell, that travels through the vast reaches of the universe, and make great deals of epics and stories, and even plan for such, and yet a great deal of those same many, will not consider that God has already "gone to prepare for us a place", in the very "heavens", that Christ Jesus hath "ascended" up into those heavens [to a very real place], far above all heavens, in a physical immortal body, and hath gone back to that eternal city with "gates...everlasting doors", with "foundations" of precious stones "whose builder and maker is God"...

...these think that mankind can aspire to such advanced means of travel, but such a being as God? "Never.", they think.

Many will dream afar off of one day perhaps knowing terraforming and altering whole planets and star systems, and even building great and massive structures to contain and harness almost uncalculable energies in things termed "dyson spheres", and yet a great deal of those same many, will not consider that of God it is declared, "For he spake, and it was [done]; he commanded, and it stood fast.", and that HE is "almighty", and "Great [is] our Lord, and of great power: his understanding [is] infinite."

...these think that mankind can reach 'godlike' status and be able to do such marvelous things, harnessing such energies, but such a being who is actually God wielding it from eternity? "Never.", they think.

Many delve deeper into the sciences seeking to extend life beyond the normal ranges, seeking to look into the smallest recesses of the human being to be able to correct collective damage, cease current collapse, remove harmful bodies, cut out cancerous growths, bandage the broken, mend the torn, and even seek after the cure for death, and work in areas of cryogenics and dna storage and the such, and yet a great deal of those same many, will not consider that of God is the greatest "Physician", the greatest healer, the greatest restorer, the one who has conquered death and will resurrect those who have had faith in Him and have followed Him at His return, and they shall live forever without any further disease or illness.

...these think that mankind with their 'medicines' and 'drugs' and 'surgeries' and advancements therein will eventually solve all of the worlds needs medically, but such a being as God who hath given in His word instruction upon diet and cleanliness and health, restoration to the image of God and even promises of the future resurrection and will wipe away every tear? "Never.", they think.

Many look into the vast complexities of the workings of time/space and even of the smallest, and marvel at the intricate and manifold machination of the human cell and systems, of roads, and pathways, of interlocking mechanisms, of things coding and of things checking identities, of power sources, and storage, of travel, of redundancies, of the information inherent in them, and that mankind cannot fully explain these things and yet they will not consider that God is infinitely more mysterious, though there are those things which He has revealed unto us and which we can know.

...these think that mankind may have room to consider in many areas and to learn something even yet newer still about that which is not yet known, and still mysterious, and consider that which had never been considered before being brought to light, and yet when it comes to finding out about God Himself? "Never.", they think and He is, by many, sumarily dismissed even though "...the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

...these think that beings on this earth can create life, but Creaton to them by God is foolishness.

Many think that they study in science, and they look into various fields of research, and question, and test, and demonstrate and repeat many times and rejoice over their discoveries of that which had already existed before they had even considered to look and they publish it abroad to the whole world and write many articles, and yet is any of this really studying in the greatest of sciences? will many not study in the greatest field of all science which is found in the scriptures?

They boldly declare and frantically scream, "The Bible is not a science book!", and they would be right in a certain sense, for it is not "a" science book, it is "THE SCIENCE BOOK!", in which is the very greatest Science, the Science of the Cross of Calvary, the Science of Salvation and of Prophecy are contained therein.

So, what were the science questions? Satan asked in that skeptic manner, that doubting tone, 'Is God Love?' 'Is God faithful?' 'Is God true?' 'Is God just?'...

And thus Jesus Christ, God, manifest in the flesh, forever proved the answer upon the Cross of Calvary, that the answer is forever and always:

"Yes."

The entire life of Jesus Christ was one of Love and Faith, tested and "in all points tempted as we, yet without sin." and when mocked, refused to come down from the cross until He was finished with what He came and was sent to do.

The whole life and especially the last days of Christ Jesus of such infinite Love and Faith, demonstrated, "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." and even death could not contain Him, for He is arisen, He is not here, and shows that Love is the greatest and strongest 'force'. It is stronger than gravity, stronger than the 'strong force', stronger that any supposed 'black hole', stronger than 'riches', stronger than any power that has not Love, yea stronger than death itself.

And is to be repeated in you and I, showing that the God who is Love, and the Love of God is truly real, "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." and "...let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me."

“We love him, because he first loved us.” 1 John 4:19

...there is a true science to consider, and many simply do not take the time to study in that so rich field, for it is written, it is published abroad, and it is made known to the whole world.
 
"The Science Book!" [continued]

"Is God Love?" Yes.

You see, satan has been now, for a long time planting the doubt of this into all he can manage to convince by whatever means necessary. So how did God answer?

The Cross of Calvary, forever answers the question and shuts the mouths of roaring lions, puts an end to the doubt and quells the fear.

Love and Faith was there defined, it was there tested in the man Christ Jesus, God the Son, who was raised up for you and I, it was fully demonstrated by His humility, setting aside Heaven, and coming down to be incarnated as a man, living the sinless and perfect life of obedience, even unto that death, the death of the cross, and the Love of God forever proven beyond all question before all creation and every being in Heaven and on earth, and that very same love can be repeated in you and I, for He has promised to re-create in us the very image of God, if we would accept so precious a gift as His salvation and repent of our transgressions by His Love, Grace and Faithfulness.

At the Cross.

God is Love...

...and this... this is the greatest science....

The greatest science, is the science of salvation and of the Love of God.

"...This is the treasure that is found in the Scriptures. The Bible is God’s great lesson book, His great educator. The foundation of all true science is contained in the Bible. Every branch of knowledge may be found by searching the word of God. And above all else it contains the science of all sciences, the science of salvation. The Bible is the mine of the unsearchable riches of Christ. ..." [Christ's Object Lessons; E.G.White; pg 107]

"...The cross of Christ,—how many believe it to be what it is? How many bring it into their studies, and know its true significance? There could not be a Christian in our world without the cross of Christ....

... This is the highest science that we can learn,—the science of salvation. The cross of Calvary, rightly regarded, is true philosophy, pure and undefiled religion. It is eternal life to all who believe. ..."
[Sons and Daughters of God; E.G.White; pg 231]

"... Thousands even regard with disdain the matchless grace shown in the plan of redemption. All who are partakers of this great salvation are not clear in this matter. They do not cultivate grateful hearts. But the theme of redemption is one that the angels desire to look into; it will be the science and the song of the ransomed throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity. Is it not worthy of careful thought and study now? Should we not praise God with heart and soul and voice “for His wonderful works to the children of men”? ..." [Testimonies for the Church Volume 5; E.G.White; pg 318]

And yet...

"...Human science is too limited to comprehend the atonement. The plan of redemption is so far-reaching that philosophy cannot explain it. ..." [The Desire of Ages; E.G.White; pg 494]

"... By coming to dwell with us, Jesus was to reveal God both to men and to angels. He was the Word of God,—God’s thought made audible. In His prayer for His disciples He says, “I have declared unto them Thy name,”—“merciful and gracious, long-suffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,”—“that the love wherewith Thou hast loved Me may be in them, and I in them.” But not alone for His earthborn children was this revelation given. Our little world is the lesson book of the universe. God’s wonderful purpose of grace, the mystery of redeeming love, is the theme into which “angels desire to look,” and it will be their study throughout endless ages. Both the redeemed and the unfallen beings will find in the cross of Christ their science and their song. It will be seen that the glory shining in the face of Jesus is the glory of self-sacrificing love. In the light from Calvary it will be seen that the law of self-renouncing love is the law of life for earth and heaven; that the love which “seeketh not her own” has its source in the heart of God; and that in the meek and lowly One is manifested the character of Him who dwelleth in the light which no man can approach unto. ..." [The Desire of Ages; E.G.White; pgs 19-20]

For those interested in the very science of God, that was defined, tested, demonstrated, proven and finally able to be repeated daily in each of your lives... I will recommend books of reference to the greatest of all science books, the Bible. [They are only a recommendation...]

[The Desire Of Ages]

[The Great Controversy]

...
 
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"The Science Book!"

It has been said, “...The Bible is not to be treated as a science book. ...” and so...

... I want to talk to you about Science.

Let us ask the question then,

"WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF SCIENCE? AND WHAT IS SCIENCE OR THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD?"

Let's start with Sir Issac Newton's:

Newton effectively offers a methodology for handling unknown phenomena in nature and reaching towards explanations for them. The four Rules of the 1726 edition run as follows (omitting some explanatory comments that follow each):

Rule 1: We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances.

Rule 2: Therefore to the same natural effects we must, as far as possible, assign the same causes.

Rule 3: The qualities of bodies, which admit neither intensification nor remission of degrees, and which are found to belong to all bodies within the reach of our experiments, are to be esteemed the universal qualities of all bodies whatsoever.

Rule 4: In experimental philosophy we are to look upon propositions inferred by general induction from phenomena as accurately or very nearly true, not withstanding any contrary hypothesis that may be imagined, till such time as other phenomena occur, by which they may either be made more accurate, or liable to exceptions. (Philosophiæ Naturalis, Wikipedia)​

The answer seems to be that,

The word Science (in English) is derived from the Latin scientia (meaning “knowledge”) and is generally defined as the state of knowing (to know as distinguished from ignorance and/or misunderstanding) as well as referring to any systematic knowledge or practice. It is the observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of any given phenomena.

The word also has a more restricted use whereby the definition is confined to the system of acquiring knowledge (definable data) based upon the scientific method, as well as to the organized body of knowledge (useful, recognizable and repeatable information) gained through such research.

That will get you to natural science but is that all there is to know? The real issue here is called 'epistemology' or a 'theory of knowledge', when you say 'science' people will automatically think in terms of Newton's principles of investigating natural phenomenon and properly so, that is how the word is used today. However, when it comes to knowing about God, his divine attributes, eternal nature and his interaction with creation we are talking about something with a different criteria.

Do you wish to extend the definition of 'science; to include these things?

Grace and peace,
Mark
 
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Science in a nutshell is the inference of patterns through observation, and the assertion that those patterns have always existed, and the prediction that they will never end.


Not quite. Here is a more scientific wording.

Science in a nutshell is the inference of patterns through observation, and the assertion that those patterns have existed since the origin of the universe unless there is evidence to the contrary, and the prediction that they will only end when the universe has reached thermal equilibrium unless a highly improbable and unanticipated event changes the pattern.
 
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Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. ...

Now let us test these... and look at some evidence...

[Genesis Conflict 01 - The Earth in Time And Space - Walter J. Veith]
101 - The Earth in Time and Space / Genesis Conflict - Walter Veith - YouTube

[Genesis Conflict 02 - A Universal Flood - Walter J. Veith]
102 - A Universal Flood / Genesis Conflict - Walter Veith - YouTube

[Genesis Conflict 03 - Bones In Stones - Walter J. Veith]

103 - Bones in Stones / Genesis Conflict - Walter Veith - YouTube

[Genesis Conflict 04 - Where Mammals Reigned - Walter J. Veith]
104 - Where Mammals Reigned / Genesis Conflict - Walter Veith - YouTube

[Genesis Conflict 05 - The Genes Of Genesis - Walter J. Veith]

105 - The Genes of Genesis / Genesis Conflict - Walter Veith - YouTube

[Total Onslaught Mini - The World According To Darwin - Walter J. Veith]

251 - The World According to Darwin / Total Onslaught Mini Series - Walter Veith - YouTube

[Genesis Conflict 06 - Creation To Restoration - Walter J. Veith]
106 - Creation to Restoration / Genesis Conflict - Walter Veith - YouTube

[Genesis Conflict 07 - A Day To Be Remembered - Walter J. Veith]
107 - A day to be Remembered / Genesis Conflict - Walter Veith - YouTube

[Genesis Conflict 08 - A Spade Unearths The Truth - Walter J. Veith]
108 - A spade Unearths the Truth / Genesis Conflict - Walter Veith - YouTube

...evidence, so much to see yet...
 
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Not quite. Here is a more scientific wording.

Science in a nutshell is the inference of patterns through observation, and the assertion that those patterns have existed since the origin of the universe unless there is evidence to the contrary, and the prediction that they will only end when the universe has reached thermal equilibrium unless a highly improbable and unanticipated event changes the pattern.

Science in a nutshell is the inference of patterns through observation, and the assertion that those patterns have always existed, and the prediction that they will never end.

Is that how either one of you would characterize Euclid's Elements?
 
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Now let us test these... and look at some evidence...

...evidence, so much to see yet...

I went ahead and posted your Utube contributions to the resource thread, thanks for posting them.

Grace and peace,
Mark
 
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Is that how either one of you would characterize Euclid's Elements?

No I don't think so. That would fall into the category of deductive logic rather than inductive science. But if I need setting straight, I'm happy to listen.
 
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I went ahead and posted your Utube contributions to the resource thread, thanks for posting them.

Grace and peace,
Mark
Thank you, there will of course be many more to come [and utilize them as you will], and a look at the scripture and historical, geological, astronomical, paleontological, archeological data, etc.
 
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Genesis 1, Literal days or something else?

"V. LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF CREATION "DAYS"

We shall consider the usage of "day" (Hebrew yowm) along major lines of current scholarship. There are liberal and non-liberal scholars who have concluded that the word "day" (Hebrew yowm) in Genesis 1 must be singularly understood in a literal sense. We will review some of their reasons and provide additional ones.

1. Considerations from Commentaries

The influential Continental liberal Old Testament theologian and exegete Gerhard von Rad states, "The seven days are unquestionably to be understood as actual days and as a unique, unrepeatable lapse of time in the world."81 Gordon Wenham, a British non-concordist Old Testament scholar, concludes, "There can be little doubt that here 'day' has its basic sense of a 24-hour period."82 James Barr, renowned Semitist and Old Testament scholar, notes with vengeance against flgurative interpreters that the creation "days" were six literal days of a 144-hour period.83 Form critic Hermann Gunkel concluded long ago, "The 'days' are of course days and nothing else."84 This refrain can be continued with many additional voices, sharing the same non-concordist position.

Victor P. Hamilton concludes, as do other broad concordist neoevangelical scholars, "And whoever wrote Gen. l believed he was talking about literal days."85 John H. Stek, another broad concordist, makes a number of points in his support for literal "days":

Surely there is no sign or hint within the narrative [of Genesis 1] itself that the author thought his 'days' to be irregular designations — first a series of undefined periods, then a series of solar days — or that the 'days' he bounded with 'evening and morning' could possibly be understood as long aeons of time. His language is plain and simple, and he speaks in plain and simple terms of one of the most common elements in humanity's experience of the world.... In his storying of God's creative acts, the author was 'moved' to sequence them after the manner of human acts and 'time' them after the pattern of created time in humanity's arena of experience.86

Numerous scholars and commentators, regardless of whether they are concordist or non-concordist, have concluded that the creation "days" cannot be anything but literal 24-hour days. They are fully aware of the figurative, non-literal interpretations of the word "day" in Genesis 1 for the sake of harmonization with the long ages demanded by the evolutionary model of origins. Yet, they insist on the ground of careful investigations of the usage of "day" in Genesis 1 and elsewhere that the true meaning and intention of a creation "day" is a literal day of 24 hours.

2. Considerations from Lexicography

The most widely recognized Hebrew lexicons and dictionaries of the Hebrew language published in the twentieth century affirm that the designation "day" in Genesis 1 is meant to communicate a 24-hour day, respectively, a solar day.

A prestigious recently published lexicon refers to Genesis 1:5 as the first scriptural entry for the definition of "day of 24 hours" for the Hebrew term yowm ("day").87 Holladay's Hebrew-English lexicon follows suit with "day of 24 hours."88 The Brown-Driver-Briggs lexicon, the classical Hebrew-English lexicon, also defines the creation "day" of Genesis 1 as a regular "day as defined by evening and morning."89

Lexicographers of the Hebrew languages are among the most qualified of Hebrew scholars. They are expected to give great care in their definitions and also usually indicate alternative meanings, if there is warrant to do so in given instances. None of the lexicographers have departed from the meaning of the word "day" as a literal day of 24 hours for Genesis 1.

3. Considerations from Dictionaries

Magne Saeboe writes in the acclaimed Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament that the "day" (yowm) in Genesis 1 has a literal meaning in the sense of "a full day."90 He does not entertain another meaning or alternative.

Ernst Jenni, an acclaimed Hebrew scholar of the twentieth century, states in the most-widely used theological dictionary of the Hebrew language that the meaning of "day" in the Genesis creation account is to be understood in its literal meaning as a "day of 24 hours in the sense of an astronomical or calendrical unit of time."91

4. Considerations Based on Semantics

The field of semantics in linguistic study refers to what is called signification.92 It deals with the issue of "the accurate evaluation of the meaning of expressions [words, phrases, clauses, sentences, etc.] which have actually been used."93

Semantics calls for attention to the crucial question of the exact meaning of the Hebrew word yowm. Could the designation "day" in Genesis 1 possibly have a figurative meaning in this chapter? Is it to be understood on the basis of the norms of semantics as a literal "day"? This matter of semantics is particularly important in view of the fact that the Hebrew term yowm in the singular and plural has a large variety of meanings, including extended meanings such as "time," "life time," and so on. Is it possible to import an extended meaning from the Old Testament into Genesis 1? Could this not solve the problem of the conflict of a short creation week and the long ages called for by naturalistic evolution?

The Hebrew term yowm, in its variety of forms, can mean aside from a literal "day" also a time or period of time (Judges 14:4) and in a more general sense "a month [of] time" (Genesis 29:14), "two years [of] time" (2 Samuel 13:23;14:28; Jeremiah 28:3,11), "three weeks [of] time" (Daniel 11:2, 3). In the plural form it can mean "year" (1 Samuel 27:7), a "life time" (Genesis 47:8), and so forth. Any good lexicon will provide a comprehensive listing of the various possibilities.94

It is important to keep in mind that "the semantic content of the words can be seen more clearly in their various combinations with other words and their extended semantic field."95

What are the semantic-syntactical guidelines for extended, non-literal meanings of the Hebrew term yowm? The extended, non-literal meanings of the term yowm are always found in connection with prepositions,96 prepositional phrases with a verb, compound constructions, formulas, technical expressions, genitive combinations, construct phrases, and the like.97 In other words, extended, non-literal meanings of this Hebrew term have special linguistic and contextual connections which indicate clearly that a non-literal meaning is intended. If such special linguistic connections are absent, the term yowm does not have an extended, non-literal meaning; it has its normal meaning of a literal day of 24-hours.

In view of the wealth of usages of this Hebrew term, it is imperative to study the usage of the term yowm in Genesis 1 so that it can be compared with other usages. Does this chapter contain the needed indicators by which yowm can clearly be recognized to have a literal or non-literal meaning? How is this term used in Genesis 1? Is it used together with combinations of other words, prepositions, genitive relations, construct state, and the like, as mentioned in the previous paragraph, which would indicate a non-literal meaning? It is exactly these kinds of semantic-syntactical combinations which inform us about the intention of the meaning of this term.

Let us present the facts of the usage of the term yowm, "day," in Genesis 1 as any scholar who knows Hebrew can describe them:

1. The term yowm is always used in the singular.

2. The term yowm is always joined to a numeral. In Genesis 1:5 it is a cardinal and elsewhere in Genesis 1:1 - 2:3 it is always an ordinal. We will pay attention to this below.

3. The term yowm is never combined with a preposition, genitive combination, construct state, compound construction, or the like. It always appears as a plain noun.

4. The term yowm is consistently defined by a temporal phrase in the preceding sentence, "and there was evening and there was morning." This clause serves in a defining function for the word "day."

5. The complementary creation account of Genesis 2:4-25 contains a non-literal, figurative meaning of the singular of the term yowm, "day." When the non-literal meaning is intended the semantic-syntactical conventions known from the remainder of the Old Testament for such a meaning are employed. This is the case in the non-literal usage in Genesis 2:4.


Let us note these criteria as they are employed in Genesis 2:4. The noun yowm is joined to the preposition be to read beyowm. Secondly, it is used in a construct relation with the infinitive form of 'asah, "to make." It reads literally, "in the day of making." This combination of the singular with a preposition in construct with an infinitive98 makes this combination a "temporal conjunction,"99 which serves as a "general introduction of time."100

Genesis 2:4b reads literally, "in [the] day of the Lord God making the earth and heaven. Proper English calls for the literal "in [the] day of," which is syntactically a temporal conjunction that serves as a general introduction of time, to be rendered with "when." This sentence then reads, "When the Lord God made ...." This clear-cut case of an extended, non-literal use of yowm in the creation account of Genesis 2:4-25 shows that the contrary usage of yowm in Genesis 1, without any expected qualifier that marks it as a non-literal use, has a literal meaning. The term yowm in Genesis 1 has no prepositions; it is not used in a construct relation and it has no syntactical indicator expected of an extended, non-literal meaning. Thus, in Genesis 1 yowm can mean only a literal "day" of 24 hours.

In short, the semantic-syntactical usages of yowm, "day," in Genesis 1 as compared with semantic-syntactical usages and linguistic connections of this term in other Old Testament passages where it has an extended meaning, does not allow it to mean a long period of time, an age, or the like. The Hebrew language, its grammar, syntax, linguistic structures as well as its semantic usage allows for only the literal meaning of "day" for the creation "days" of Genesis 1.

5. Considerations Based on Singular Usage

The Hebrew term yowm appears in the Hebrew Old Testament 2,304 times101 of which 1,452 usages are in the singular.102

In the Five Books of Moses (Pentateuch) this term is used 668 times and in the book of Genesis it is employed 152 times.103 In Genesis the singular usage of "day" appears 83 times, the remainder usages are in the plural.

In the enumeration of the six "days" of creation the term "day" is used consistently in the singular. There is one plural use in the phrase "for days and years" in vs.14 which is, of course, not a creation "day." This plural usage in vs.14 hardly enters the discussion of making creation "days" long periods of time since calendrical usage of "days and years" keeps it literal itself. There is no doubt but that the literal meaning of 24-hour days are meant in vs.14 just as the "years" are likewise understood as literal years.

The additional usages of "day" in the singular in Genesis 1 are found in vss.5 and 16. "And God called the light 'day' (yowm)" (vs.5) and God made the "greater light to govern the day" (vs.16). The term in vs.5 is employed in the sense of the literal daylight period of the light part of the 24-hour period of time in contrast to the night part, "the night" (vs. 16), of the same period of time.104 Both "day" and "night" make a "full day."105

We have to recognize the fact that the term yowm in every one of the six days has the same connection: a) It is used as a singular; b) it has a numeral; and c) it is preceded by the phrase, "there was evening and there was morning." This triple interlocking connection of singular usage, joined by a numeral, and the temporal definition of "evening and morning," keeps the creation "day" the same throughout the creation account. It also reveals that "time is conceived as linear and events occur within it successively."106 To depart from the numerical, consecutive linkage and the "evening-morning" boundaries in such direct language would mean to take extreme liberty with the plain and direct meaning of the Hebrew language.107 ..." - [source to be cited in next post, to be continued]
 
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6. Considerations Based on Numeral Usage

The six creation "days" are in each instance joined with a numeral in the sequence of one to six (Genesis 1:5,8,13,19,23,31). The day following the "sixth day," the "day" on which God rested, is designated "the seventh day" (Genesis 2:2 [2 times],3).

What seems of significance is the sequential emphasis of the numerals 1-7 without any break or temporal interruption. This seven-day schema, the schema of the week of six workdays followed by "the seventh day" as rest day, interlinks the creation "days" as normal days in a consecutive and non-interrupted sequence.

When the word yowm, "day," is employed together with a numeral, which happens 150 times in the Old Testament, it refers in the Old Testament invariably to a literal day of 24 hours.

This rule is pervasive in the Old Testament. The only exception in numbers of 1-1,000 is found in an eschatological text in Zechariah 14:7. The Hebrew expression yowm 'echad employed in Zechariah 14:7 is rendered into English in a variety of ways: "for it will be a unique day" (New American Standard Bible, New International Version); "and there shall be continuous day" (New Revised Standard Version); "it will be continuous day" (Revised English Bible); or "and the day shall be one."108 The "continuous day," or "one day," of the eschatological future will be one in which the normal rhythm of evening and morning, day and night, as it is known will be changed so that in that eschatological day there shall be "light even at the evening" (vs.7). It is generally acknowledged that this is a difficult text in the Hebrew language and can hardly be used to change the plain usage in Genesis 1.109

7. Considerations Based on Article Usage

The term "day" is used in Hebrew without the article in each instance of each creation day, except in the cases of "the sixth day" (Genesis 1:31, Hebrew yowm hashshish ) and "the seventh day" (Genesis 2:2).110

It is noted from time to time that the first "day" of Genesis 1:5 in Hebrew reads literally "one day,"111 because we have the cardinal number "one" used with the term "day."

The lack of the definite article has been interpreted to mean that all creation "days" (except "the sixth day," which has the article) will allow "for the possibility of random or literary order as well as a rigidly chronological order."112 This is a rather shaky interpretation. It cannot be supported from semantic-syntactical points of view.

We need to understand the syntax of the Hebrew text and interpret the text accordingly without violence to the internal structure of the Hebrew language. The recent research grammar by Bruce K. Waltke and M. O'Connor points out that the indefinite noun yowm with the indefinite cardinal numeral for "one" (Hebrew 'echad) in Genesis 1:5 has "an emphatic, counting force" and a "definite sense" in addition to having the force of an ordinal number which is to be rendered as "the first day."113

Based on this syntactical observation of the Hebrew language, "the first day" and "the sixth day" of the creation week are meant to be definite in the sense that they have the article by syntactical rule or by writing (not to speak of "the seventh day" which will be considered below). The first and last creation "days" are definite by syntax or writing, the first by syntactical function and the last by the usage of the article. One observation emerges — this definite usage of the first and last day of creation forms a literary device, an inclusio, which frames the six creation "days" with definite or articular days. One of the intentions of this usage seems to be that the "days" of Genesis 1 do not permit the conclusion that random order or chronological order is an open-ended issue.114

The opposite is actually the case. Since the first and sixth days are definite, providing a clear boundary, the days are meant to be chronological and sequential, forming an uninterrupted six-day period of literal 24-hour days of creation. Thus, the definite use of the first and sixth days respectively mark and frame the six-day sequence into a coherent sequential and chronological unit of time which will be repeated in each successive week.

"The seventh day" is also written with the Hebrew article. Since "the first day" (vs.5) is definite as well as "the sixth day" (vs.31), a larger unit is formed. It is the unit of six workdays followed by "the seventh day" (Genesis 2:2,3), the day of rest. In this way the sequence of six workdays find their goal and climax chronologically and sequentially in "the seventh day," making together the weekly cycle with the day of rest being the "seventh day" of the week.

The larger unit of literal time accordingly consists of the divinely planned unit of the "six-plus-one schema" which consists of the "six" workdays followed in an uninterrupted manner and in sequence by "the seventh day" of rest. This uninterrupted sequence is divinely planned and ordained as the rhythm of the time for each successive week.

8. Considerations Based on the "Evening-Morning" Boundary

The Genesis creation account not only links each day to a sequential numeral but it also sets the time boundaries by "evening and morning" (vss.5,8,13,19,23,31). The rhythmic boundary phrase, "and there was evening and there was morning," provides a definition of the creation "day." The creation "day" is defined as consisting of "evening" and "morning." It is a literal "day."

The term for "evening" (Hebrew 'ereb)115 covers the dark part of the day in a pars pro toto (meaning that a part, in this case the "evening," stands for the whole dark part of the day) usage (cf. "day-night" in Genesis 1:14). The corresponding term "morning" (Hebrew bqer) stands pars pro toto (meaning that a part, in this case the "morning," stands for the light part of the day) "for the entire period of daylight."116 It is to be noted that the "evening-morning" expression must be understood to have the same signification in every one of its six usages.117

"Evening and morning" is a temporal expression which defines each "day" of creation as a literal day. It cannot be made to mean anything else.

9. Considerations Based on Pentateuchal Sabbath Passages

Another kind of internal evidence provided in the Old Testament for the meaning of days derives from two Sabbath passages in the Pentateuch which refer back to the creation "days." They inform the reader how the creation "days" were understood by God.

The first passage is part of the Fourth Commandment spoken by God on Mt. Sinai and recorded recorded in Exodus 20:9-11: "Six days you shall do all your labor ... but the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord your God.... For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth ... and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy."

"These words" are spoken by Yahweh Himself (vs. 1). The linkages to creation are in wording ("seventh day," "heaven and earth," "rested," "blessed," "made it holy") and in the "six-plus-one" schema (see also Deuteronomy 5:13-14) to mention but these.118 Evidently the words used in the Ten Commandments take the creation "day" as "a regular day"119 of 24 hours and demonstrate that the weekly cycle is a temporal creation ordinance.

These words of the Lord provide an internal Pentateuch and Old Testament guideline on how God, the Giver of the "Ten Words" understands the creation "day." The divine speech which promulgates the Sabbath commandment takes the "six days" of creation to be sequential, chronological and literal.120

The argument that the relationship of the Fourth Commandment is but an "analogy" or "archetype" in the sense that man's rest on the seventh day ought to be like God's rest in creation121 is based on reductionism and an impermissible change of imagery. Terence Fretheim noted incisively that the Commandment does not use analogy or archetypal thinking but that its emphasis is "stated in terms of the imitation of God or a divine precedent that is to be followed: god worked for six days and rested on the seventh, and therefore you should do the same."122

The second Pentateuchal Sabbath passage is Exodus 31:15-17, which is again spoken by God Himself. It has several terminological linkages with Genesis 1 and is conceptually and thematically related to it. This passage has to be understood to mean that the creation "day" was a literal day and that the days were sequential and chronological. The weekly sabbath for God's people is based on imitation and example, for "in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day he ceased from labor, and was refreshed" (vs. 17, New American Standard Bible).

God was refreshed because He had delight in His completed work of creation. Humankind will also be refreshed and have delight when the Sabbath as "seventh day" (vs. 15) is kept.

The "sign" nature of the Sabbath in vs. 15 reveals that the Sabbath keeper follows the divine Exemplar. He Himself kept "the seventh day" which humans who belong to Him will imitate. They will do so in the same rhythm of the literal weekly cycle of six literal workdays followed chronologically and sequentially by "the seventh day" as a day of rest and refreshment as their Creator had done during creation week.

10. Considerations Based on Sequence of Events

The creation of vegetation with seed-bearing plants and fruit trees took place on the third day (Genesis 1:11-12). Much of this vegetation seems to need insects for pollination. Insects were created on the fifth day (vs.20). If the survival of those types of plants which needed insects for pollination depended on them to generate seeds and to perpetuate themselves, then there would be a serious problem should the creation "day" consist of long ages or aeons. The type of plant life dependent on this type of pollination process without the presence of insects could not have survived for these long periods of time, if "day" were to mean "age" or "aeon." In addition, "consistency of interpretation in the 'day-age theory' would demand a long period of light and darkness during each of the ages. This would quickly be fatal both to plant and animal life."123

It seems that the creation "day" is expected to be understood as a literal day and not as a long period of time whether ages, periods, or aeons.

Although these arguments may not be decisive, they nevertheless point in the same direction as the decisive linguistic and semantic points which are found in the Hebrew text itself.



VI. CONCLUSIONS

This paper investigated the meaning of creation "days." It has considered key arguments in favor of a figurative, non-literal meaning of the creation "days." It found them to be wanting on the basis of genre investigation, literary considerations, grammatical study, syntactical usages, and semantic connections. The cumulative evidence, based on comparative, literary, linguistic and other considerations, converges on every level, leading to the singular conclusion that the designation yowm, "day," in Genesis 1 means consistently a literal 24-hour day.


The author of Genesis 1 could not have produced more comprehensive and all-inclusive ways to express the idea of a literal "day" than the ones that were chosen. There is a complete lack of indicators from prepositions, qualifying expressions, construct phrases, semantic-syntactical connections, and so on, on the basis of which the designation "day" in the creation week could be taken to be anything different than a regular 24-hour day. The combinations of the factors of articular usage, singular gender, semantic-syntactical constructions, time boundaries, and so on, corroborated by the divine promulgations in such Pentateuchal passages as Exodus 20:8-11 and Exodus 31:12-17, suggest uniquely and consistently that the creation "day" is meant to be literal, sequential, and chronological in nature." [THE "DAYS" OF CREATION IN GENESIS 1: LITERAL "DAYS" OR FIGURATIVE "PERIODS/EPOCHS" OF TIME?; Gerhard F. Hasel; John Nevins Andrews Professor of Old Testament and Biblical Theology Andrews University; Berrien Springs, Michigan] - Hasel, G. F. --- The "Days" of Creation in Genesis 1


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See also [Scriptural Age of the Earth - Dr. Don Patton; just for info, not a Seventh Day Adventist, though I wish he were]:

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The Global Flood [scripturally]:

Let us go to the Biblical Flood first, and then we can go to Creation [Genesis]:


As for the size of the Flood it was completely Global [as in not local, not 'ethnocentric', but rather was covering the whole surface of the entire earth below the heavens even as high as 15 cubits above the "then" highest mountains].

The Bible says that the whole earth (world, not land) was completely covered and water stood 15 cubits above the tallest mountains:

Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. (Genesis 7:20)

[1] First we see that the waters "prevail[ed]". "...the waters prevailed..." [Genesis 7:18,19,20,24] From the Hebrew [Tr.]: "gabar" meaning to "have strength over", "over-powering", etc. The waters "prevail[ed]" so much so, that "fifteen cubits upward" above the very "mountains were covered" and overcame, so that "all the high hills", being "under the whole heaven, were covered".

And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that [were] under the whole heaven, were covered. (Genesis 7:19)

[2] Secondly we read that all men ["all flesh" and "every man", vs 21], from "under the whole heaven" and all land animals and birds ["fowls also of the air" vs 3 and "fowl(s)" vs 8,14,21 and "fowl of heaven" vs 23], wherein is the breath of life, outside of the Ark were destroyed:

And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. (Genesis 6:13)

And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life, from under heaven; [and] every thing that [is] in the earth shall die. (Genesis 6:17)

And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: (Genesis 7:21)

And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. (Genesis 9:11)

And I will remember my covenant, which [is] between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. (Genesis 9:15)


Consider carefully that the text is from the viewpoint of GOD ["before ME" Genesis 6:13, 7:1], and that which is "under the whole heaven", and not some localized, ethnocentric event. It would be meaningless to have those "fowls" which could fly enter into the Ark, the Clean Pairs [of Sevens] an the Unclean Pairs [by Twos], should the Flood not be indeed entriely global. It is easily demonstrated that Birds can fly away from and can escape a local flood, especially since the Flood did not cover all the mountains in a single day. In fact, animals know of disaster many hours and sometimes even days in advance of men, and would have fled before it even happened, but instead we see them miraculously brought to the Ark by God, in Pairs! Mankind also who were left outside of the Ark, too could just as easily flee to another location through various means should the flood be merely local. The Antediluvians were no fools [though such, not to enter the Ark] to stand around while waters arose, for these men were of giant intellect, knowing city building [Genesis 4:17], metalurgy [Genesis 4:22], fine craft like musical instruments, arts [Genesis 4:21], tent making [Genesis 4:20], etc. [and we can even go to places in the world where such ancient remains are found of said civilization, massive stones, superb craftsmanship, surgery, things of exquisite and even unrepeatable design, more on this later]

[3] Thirdly, the Covenant that GOD makes with Noah and "all flesh" is universal [entirely global] in scope. Look again at the Promise and Covenant made by GOD:

And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. (Genesis 9:11)

And I will remember my covenant, which [is] between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. (Genesis 9:15)


The Promise and Covenant of GOD then made would be meaningless, as would be the sign ["[rain]bow" Genesis 9:13] given to "all flesh". If the Flood only destroyed a local [ethnocentric] locale then the Promise is worthless Biblically, for endless floods and disasters have since come upon the earth and wiped out many peoples, and beasts. Just look at the recent destruction in Japan, and further back, New Orleans, etc.

I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. (Genesis 9:13)

However, GOD's promise stand's firm, in that never again would a Flood of water cover the whole earth, even though in the very end times to come, "islands" will flee away at the coming destruction.

[4] Fourthly, GOD made all men, and not just those in “Noah's valley” [ethnocentric locale]:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (Genesis 1:26)

And so, GOD was angry with all mortals ["all flesh"] upon the Earth:

The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. (Genesis 6:11)

And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. (Genesis 6:12)


[5] Fifthly, GOD had ALL the fountains of the great abyss break up, not just some localized [ethnocentric] fountains, nor few fountains, but ALL:

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. (Genesis 7:11)

The Bible declares that the great abyss is below the entire surface of the earth, and not merely localized to “Noah's valley” [ethnocentric locale]:

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:2)

[6] Sixthly, the Flood lasted much longer than 40 days and 40 nights [in which it rained], for it lasted roughly a little over a year [370], counting the entirety of time:

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. (Genesis 7:11)

And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. (Genesis 7:12)

And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first [month], the first [day] of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry. (Genesis 8:13)

And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried. (Genesis 8:14)


The Rain, from the floodgates of the sky, was not the only part of the Deluge, but also the vast amounts and endless volumes of water which burst forth from beneath the earth in the breaking up of the great abyss:

The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained; (Genesis 8:2)

The remainder of scripture also gives:

Job says:

Which were cut down out of time, whose foundation was overflown with a flood: (Job 22:16) [speaking of all of the wicked men and the way in which they had trodden, verse 15]

Isaiah declares a global flood:

For this [is as] the waters of Noah unto me: for [as] I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee. (Isaiah 54:9)

Peter makes it quite clear that GOD destroyed them all and took them all away (buried in water, a figure of complete immersion of baptism, then after to be covered in fire), only 8 souls of mankind being saved [Noah "only" and his family and their wives Genesis 7:23]:

Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. (1 Peter 3:20)

The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (1 Peter 3:21)

And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; (2 Peter 2:5)

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, (2 Peter 3:3)

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: (2 Peter 3:5)

Whereby the world that then was, being, overflowed with water, perished: (2 Peter 3:6)

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. (2 Peter 3:7)


Several words used by Peter in the Greek for this flood are, "Kosmos", universe, totality of something [like of the earth/planet], and "kataklyzō", 1) to overwhelm with water, to submerge, deluge [like Baptism, complete total immersion/submersion] [it is also where we get the word cataclysm] and Peter directly equates that Global judgment by water to the one to come by fire - total global judgment.

[7] A seventh serious matter, would be to localize the Flood to an ethnocentric locale would then cripple the Final Judgment of scripture to an ethnocentric locale, as Peter equates them together, one the forerunner of the other [a world baptised in Water, then also Fire, like as we]. Scripture is more than clear on the global fires to come [can be cited if necessary].

[8] Eighth, in even that JESUS HIMSELF says that they were all destroyed in the flood, and relates the flood to the final judgment by fire [which will cover the whole Earth, Revelation 20, etc]:

But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Matthew 24:37)

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, (Matthew 24:38)

And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Matthew 24:39)

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. (Luke 17:26)

They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. (Luke 17:27)


All of the wicked humans were destroyed by the Flood and only 8 humans were spared - yet Satan lived through the flood and continued to entice...

Other mentions of the great flood:

Thou coveredst it with the deep as [with] a garment: the waters stood above the mountains. (Psalms 104:6)

Others, seeking to make excuses, cite other passages, but do not consider their context, and so dealing with 'roaring lions' and 'here be dragons'...

Psalms 104. Deals with the totality of the waters from their Creation [Psalms 104:5-6a], to their covering the Earth [Psalms 104:6b-8], to no more again covering the whole earth by God's covenant [Psalms 104:9-13, etc].

Job 38. Speaking about the omnipotence of GOD declaring that HE controls and upholds all things and sets their bounds, whether they be held or released for HIS purposes. The time of Job is after the Global Flood and before Abraham. Job fully believed in the Globality of the Flood, see noted passages above or [Job 22:15-16, 26:5,12; etc].

Proverbs 8. Again as Job, signifying God's Omnipotence and His controlling and uphold ing all things by His Power, HE setting their bounds, whether they be held or released for HIS Purposes. They should not "pass HIS commandment", nor can they do otherwise than to respond to HIS will, as was done in the Global Flood.

These are not the only reasons, but just a few of the Major ones, and a list of over 100 [scripturally and scientifically] could be cited, as has been done by others. No matter what one currently believes [atheist or Christian, etc], if they are true to the scriptures in what they plainly teach and say [whether or not you actually believe it], they cannot objectively come to any other conclusions based upon its own consistent and internal evidence that the Noachian Flood was indeed Global and only 4,500 years ago [est].

There is no room for a "compromised" position, no room to be sitting on the fence. The Global Flood totally wipes out the evolutionary and long age model. How so? Think about it. What does it mean for the evolutionary timescales if all life [basically] had to start from square one only 4,500 years ago. It cannot be both ways. Compromise is impossible.
 
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Let us continue to look at this "compromise" and see that many are cherishing man-made ideology over and above what God has stated in His word [this is primarily for those who at this moment believe 'great age', 'old-earth' 'theistic-evolution', etc; for let us consider together], and so there is only two options, for Christ Jesus said, "He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth." Matthew 12:30; Luke 11:23.

God loves you [yes you], but let us not think we can simply 'marry' the two ideologies together, for it is an adulterous and idolatrous relationship, for the word of God says:

Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos 3:3

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 2 Corinthians 6:14

And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 2 Corinthians 6:15

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 2 Corinthians 6:16

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you, 2 Corinthians 6:17

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. Joshua 24:15


The whole Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, From God, Christ Jesus to the Apostles and disciples, prophets led by the Holy Spirit, psalms, all taught God created in 6 literal standard consecutive days, and rested the 7th and believed in the total global flood, and the prophecies and awesome events, like Abraham, David, Solomon, the Exodus with Moses and Joshua, Jonah, Babylonian captivity, fall of Ninevah, Tyre, Petra, etc.

In fact, it is basic to believing God, having faith and trust in Him, and His word. Without this, what do we really believe of what is written? God has given an immeasurable [to us] amount of evidence of these things. Without faith, it is impossible to please Him...

Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. Mark 10:15

We can know, right from the beginning in Genesis, that those 'days' were standard consecutive literal days. We can see from the phrases used, “evening and morning”, definite articles “the”, and cardinal and ordinal numbering, all combined. We can know that if God had meant great [thousands, millions, billions, etc] ages in Genesis, He would have had Moses utilize those words in the appropriate places. They knew of immense numbers.

Then the next question would be, “Do you believe that HE created in the manner that HE said HE did?” The Bible mentions 1st Day, Day 2, Day 3, Day 4, Day 5. Day 6 and THE [definite article] 7th Day. Why would anyone need to insert any greater length of time into those texts, or those specific days, other than a standard literal day each [each having Day and Night, Evening and Morning, one following the other in succession, etc], unless they have a preconceived idea [originating from elsewhwhere first, ignorantlly or willingly] they must defend first.

I, myself [having been born and raised Roman Catholic for 30 years, before becoming Seventh Day Adventist [now] by the leading of the Holy Spirit into His Word] had at one point in that past tried to "marry" the two things, and think that it did not really matter [oh! but it so does, in everything!], but found that it cannot be done and be true to the facts and data of scripture and creation. It is unscriptural, irrational and unscientific.

If GOD had meant great periods of time in the Genesis Creation account days [insert random believed astronomical number here], then why bother with “1-7”, why bother with the phrase “evening and morning”, "day" etc.

They knew of massive numbers, See: "thousands of millions" Genesis 24:60; or "of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens" Exodus 18:5; or "And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments." Exodus 20:6; or "he came with ten thousands of saints" Deuteronomy 33:2; "his thousands, and David his ten thousands" 1 Samuel 18:7; or ..."the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands" Revelation 5:11, and they knew of "Seasons", "Months" and "Years" etc. and some of those very terms were used in Genesis 1.

Why bother implementing the word "day" with a specific numerical [and ordered 1-7] value attached, why not say "many seasons", "many months/moons", "many years", "Thousand times ten thousand" or whatever is needed instead? It is because the text of Genesis 1-2 is not saying any of that.

The 6 days and the 7th of Rest in Creation cannot be anything other than standard literal days since "all the days of Adam that he lived amounted to nine hundred and thirty years" [Genesis 5:5] and then "he died" since Adam was created on the 6th Day [Genesis 1:26-31; 2:7] and having then lived onward past the 6th Day and into and through the 7th Day [for GOD had said on the 6th Day that it was "very good" [Genesis 1:31] and the 7th Day in which ]"God blessed the seventh Day and sanctified it" [Genesis 2:3] and therefore neither [the 6th nor the 7th Day] were "in sorrow" [Genesis 3:16], neither yet “cursed” [Genesis 3:17] as had all the further days been after Adam/Eve had transgressed and from then on "all the days of" Adam's "life" [Genesis 3:17] were to be such.

And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. Genesis 5:5

Since the Scripture states that "all the days" of Adam's Life were 930 years [He being created on the 6th Day], how then could the 6th or the 7th Day be anything other than simply a standard literal day each? If the 6th Day is to be understood as some timeframe other than a standard literal day, did then Adam die [or “death reign”] within the 6th [or even the 7th] "Day" according to scripture and if so how then was the 6th [or 7th] "day" "very good"?

Creation:

So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:27
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Genesis 2:1
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Genesis 2:2
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Genesis 2:3
Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. Genesis 5:2

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, Jude 1:14

Male and Female [along with marriage] right at the beginning, with God their Creator [even directly citing Genesis 2:24]:

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female, Matthew 19:4
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Matthew 19:5
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Matthew 19:6

But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. Mark 10:6
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; Mark 10:7
And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. Mark 10:8
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Mark 10:9

For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Ephesians 5:31

God spake things into existence, and built with His own hands, and it did not take thousands/millions/billions of years to make this world and all that is good in it:

By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. Psalms 33:6
For he spake, and it was [done]; he commanded, and it stood fast. Psalms 33:9
The sea [is] his, and he made it: and his hands formed the dry [land]. Psalms 95:5
JOD. Thy hands have made me and fashioned me: give me understanding, that I may learn thy commandments. Psalms 119:73
I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, [even] my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. Isaiah 45:12

In fact, the Miracles of Christ Jesus, show, that by the Power of His Word, and His Healing touch, that it was instant, not endless ages to await it:

And Jesus put forth [his] hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed. Matthew 8:3

So Jesus had compassion [on them], and touched their eyes: and immediately their eyes received sight, and they followed him. Matthew 20:34

And he came and took her by the hand, and lifted her up; and immediately the fever left her, and she ministered unto them. Mark 1:31

And as soon as he had spoken, immediately the leprosy departed from him, and he was cleansed. Mark 1:42

And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion. Mark 2:12

And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way. Mark 10:52

And his mouth was opened immediately, and his tongue [loosed], and he spake, and praised God. Luke 1:64

And he stood over her, and rebuked the fever; and it left her: and immediately she arose and ministered unto them. Luke 4:39

And he put forth [his] hand, and touched him, saying, I will: be thou clean. And immediately the leprosy departed from him. Luke 5:13

And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God. Luke 5:25

Came behind [him], and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched. Luke 8:44

And when the woman saw that she was not hid, she came trembling, and falling down before him, she declared unto him before all the people for what cause she had touched him, and how she was healed immediately. Luke 8:47

And he laid [his] hands on her: and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God. Luke 13:13

And immediately he received his sight, and followed him, glorifying God: and all the people, when they saw [it], gave praise unto God. Luke 18:43

And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath. John 5:9

Genesis:

"..and it was so..." Genesis 1:7, 9, 11, 15, 24, 30.

How quickly were the Miracles manifested by Peter, Paul and others in the name of Christ Jesus, it was instantly:

And he took him by the right hand, and lifted [him] up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength. Acts 3:7

And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. Acts 9:18

And Peter said unto him, Aeneas, Jesus Christ maketh thee whole: arise, and make thy bed. And he arose immediately. Acts 9:34

And now, behold, the hand of the Lord [is] upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand. Acts 13:11

How quickly was the Miracle of the Wedding of Cana done? Did it take thousands, millions or billions for Christ Jesus to make from water, the purest grape juice of the harvest for their joy? It was instantaneous:

“God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth ...” Acts 17:24;p

Paul even gives the scientific facts that, there are "kinds" as Genesis [1 various vss, "after their kind"] so gives:

All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, [and] another of birds. 1 Corinthians 15:39

Mankind are all related to one another through Adam and Noah:

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; Acts 17:26

How quick was the resurrections in scripture, did they take thousands, millions or billions of years? No. What does scripture say of the New Heaven and the New Earth that will be done after the Great White Throne judgment and the wicked are completely destroyed. Shall you expect to wait around billions of years then as well? What of the other events throughout the scripture... the Flood, what did Jesus and others teach about that? Let us see... and then cast away the doubt about the Word of God, and believe... cease from the "compromised" position, for neither side agrees with it.

...to be continued...
 
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Adam is the first man, Eve the first Woman:

And God said , Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Genesis 1:26 [the word "man" is "Adam" in the Hebrew]
So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:27
And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God said , [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. Genesis 2:18
And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Genesis 2:22
And Adam said , This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Genesis 2:23
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. Genesis 3:20
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died. Genesis 5:5

When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. Deuteronomy 32:8

If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom: Job 31:33

Which was [the son] of Enos, which was [the son] of Seth, which was [the son] of Adam, which was [the son] of God. Luke 3:38

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:3

For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 1 Titus 2:13

Death is the result of sin [transgression of God's Law, disobedience, selfishness]:

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Romans 5:14
For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:52
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit. 1 Corinthians 15:45

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 1 Timothy 2:14

God, speaks to Moses and tells the whole nation before Him at Mt. Sinai, that He created in 6 days and rested the 7th [directly related to Genesis 2:1-3; see also Deuteronomy 5:12-15, etc]:

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Exodus 20:8
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: Exodus 20:9
But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: Exodus 20:10
For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:11


Jesus believed in the Noachian Global Flood, and directly equates it with the coming total judgment:

But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:37
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, Matthew 24:38
And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:39

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. Luke 17:26
They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Luke 17:27
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; Luke 17:28
But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all. Luke 17:29
Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. Luke 17:30

Jesus believed in Sodom/Gomorrah [their destruction] and Lot and his Wife:

Remember Lot's wife. Luke 17:32

As did Peter and Jude:

And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 2 Peter 2:6

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:7

Jesus believed the prophecies of Daniel the Prophet [etc]:

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
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But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: Mark 13:14

Jesus believed in Jonah the Prophet and events as historically real, equating it to the events surrounding the Garden, Trials and Cross and the coming judgment:

But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Matthew 12:39
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew 12:40
The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas [is] here. Matthew 12:41
A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. Matthew 16:4

But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it. Luke 11:28
And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. Luke 11:29
For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation. Luke 11:30
The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas [is] here. Luke 11:32

Jesus believed in Solomon's reign and Kingdom:

The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon [is] here. Matthew 12:42

The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon [is] here. Luke 11:31

Matthew believed in the Genealogies [from Abraham all the way to the time of Christ Jesus]:

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Matthew 1:1
Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; Matthew 1:2
And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; Matthew 1:3
And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon; Matthew 1:4
And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; Matthew 1:5
And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; Matthew 1:6
And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; Matthew 1:7
And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias; Matthew 1:8
And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias; Matthew 1:9
And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias; Matthew 1:10
And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: Matthew 1:11
And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; Matthew 1:12
And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; Matthew 1:13
And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; Matthew 1:14
And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; Matthew 1:15
And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. Matthew 1:16

Luke believed in the Genealogies [even from the time of Christ Jesus unto God creating Adam]:

And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, Luke 3:23
Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph, Luke 3:24
Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge, Luke 3:25
Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda, Luke 3:26
Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri, Luke 3:27
Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er, Luke 3:28
Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, Luke 3:29
Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim, Luke 3:30
Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David, Luke 3:31
Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson, Luke 3:32
Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda, Luke 3:33
Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor, Luke 3:34
Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala, Luke 3:35
Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech, Luke 3:36
Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, Luke 3:37
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. Luke 3:38

...to be continued...
 
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Who also believed?

Paul also believed:


For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. Hebrews 4:4

In fact there is a very chapter in Scripture on Faith, and it begins with Creation, and continues with all of the events after it...

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1
For by it the elders obtained a good report. Hebrews 11:2
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Hebrews 11:3
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. Hebrews 11:4
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. Hebrews 11:5
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. Hebrews 11:7
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. Hebrews 11:8
By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as [in] a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: Hebrews 11:9
For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Hebrews 11:10
Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. Hebrews 11:11
Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. Hebrews 11:12
These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. Hebrews 11:13
For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. Hebrews 11:14
And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. Hebrews 11:15
But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. Hebrews 11:16
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Hebrews 11:17
Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Hebrews 11:18
Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure. Hebrews 11:19
By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come. Hebrews 11:20
By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff. Hebrews 11:21
By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones. Hebrews 11:22
By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment. Hebrews 11:23
By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Hebrews 11:24
Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; Hebrews 11:25
Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. Hebrews 11:26
By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible. Hebrews 11:27
Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them. Hebrews 11:28
By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned. Hebrews 11:29
By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days. Hebrews 11:30
By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace. Hebrews 11:31
And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: Hebrews 11:32
Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, Hebrews 11:33
Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. Hebrews 11:34
Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: Hebrews 11:35
And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: Hebrews 11:36
They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; Hebrews 11:37
(Of whom the world was not worthy: ) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. Hebrews 11:38
And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: Hebrews 11:39
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. Hebrews 11:40

Stephen, believed in these same events:

Then said the high priest, Are these things so? Acts 7:1
And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran, Acts 7:2
And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee. Acts 7:3
Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell. Acts 7:4
And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child. Acts 7:5
And God spake on this wise, That his seed should sojourn in a strange land; and that they should bring them into bondage, and entreat them evil four hundred years. Acts 7:6
And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place. Acts 7:7
And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs. Acts 7:8
And the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but God was with him, Acts 7:9
And delivered him out of all his afflictions, and gave him favour and wisdom in the sight of Pharaoh king of Egypt; and he made him governor over Egypt and all his house. Acts 7:10
Now there came a dearth over all the land of Egypt and Chanaan, and great affliction: and our fathers found no sustenance. Acts 7:11
But when Jacob heard that there was corn in Egypt, he sent out our fathers first. Acts 7:12
And at the second time Joseph was made known to his brethren; and Joseph's kindred was made known unto Pharaoh. Acts 7:13
Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen souls. Acts 7:14
So Jacob went down into Egypt, and died, he, and our fathers, Acts 7:15
And were carried over into Sychem, and laid in the sepulchre that Abraham bought for a sum of money of the sons of Emmor the father of Sychem. Acts 7:16
But when the time of the promise drew nigh, which God had sworn to Abraham, the people grew and multiplied in Egypt, Acts 7:17
Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph. Acts 7:18
The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live. Acts 7:19
In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his father's house three months: Acts 7:20
And when he was cast out, Pharaoh's daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son. Acts 7:21
And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds. Acts 7:22
And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel. Acts 7:23
And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian: Acts 7:24
For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not. Acts 7:25
And the next day he shewed himself unto them as they strove, and would have set them at one again, saying, Sirs, ye are brethren; why do ye wrong one to another? Acts 7:26
But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us? Acts 7:27
Wilt thou kill me, as thou diddest the Egyptian yesterday? Acts 7:28
Then fled Moses at this saying, and was a stranger in the land of Madian, where he begat two sons. Acts 7:29
And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush. Acts 7:30
When Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold it, the voice of the Lord came unto him, Acts 7:31
Saying, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Then Moses trembled, and durst not behold. Acts 7:32
Then said the Lord to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground. Acts 7:33
I have seen, I have seen the affliction of my people which is in Egypt, and I have heard their groaning, and am come down to deliver them. And now come, I will send thee into Egypt. Acts 7:34
This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush. Acts 7:35
He brought them out, after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red sea, and in the wilderness forty years. Acts 7:36
This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. Acts 7:37
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: Acts 7:38
To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt, Acts 7:39
Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him. Acts 7:40
And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. Acts 7:41
Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? Acts 7:42
Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon. Acts 7:43
Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen. Acts 7:44
Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David; Acts 7:45
Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob. Acts 7:46
But Solomon built him an house. Acts 7:47
Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Acts 7:48
Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? Acts 7:49
Hath not my hand made all these things? Acts 7:50
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Acts 7:51
Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: Acts 7:52
Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. Acts 7:53
When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. Acts 7:54
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, Acts 7:55
And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. Acts 7:56
Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, Acts 7:57
And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul. Acts 7:58
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. Acts 7:59
And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. Acts 7:60

And so on and so forth throughout the scriptures. There is no allowance for the "compromise" in the scriptures.

This is not a war of science vs. religion, for that which is truly science and factual has no quarrells with the plain Word of God, but rather this is a war of Truth against Lies, of Christ Jesus vs Satan - a Great Controversy [see OP, Link].

We do not have to be ashamed to stand upon His Word, but let us only believe and God will marvelously show us...


...to be continued...
 
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So, is this true? Is the Bible not a science book?...

...and what then is the Science of all Sciences...? What should we be studying?

The Bible is a history book, not a science book. There are a lot of areas of Science that goes a long way toward helping us understand the Bible. For example archeology helps us to better understand the cities we read about in the Bible. Even some of the excavation that they have been able to do at the temple mount in Jerusalem. Also in cities like Jericho and so on.

Even Evolution and the science of population genetics (DNA) helps us to understand the Bible. Because the Bible talks about the generations and lists the people that were decended from Adam and Eve in the Middle East. Not the out of africa time magazine Adam and Eve. DNA research clearly shows us that the generations we read about in our Bible COULD be accurate and true. So there are a lots of areas science can help us to verify that the Bible is accurate and true. Or at least COULD BE accurate and true.
 
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We see that, from the scriptures itself, there is no room for "compromise" allowed...

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 1:17

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Romans 1:18

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. Romans 1:19

[God has already shewed it unto them...]

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1:20

[Therefore we see that the confirmed atheist is not looking for evidence of God, for they already have it, but they are rather seeking to be willingly ignorant of Him]


Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Romans 1:21

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Romans 1:22

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Romans 1:23

[thus, the ToE, 'theory of evolution' has done just that...]

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Romans 1:24

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Romans 1:25

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Romans 1:26

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Romans 1:27

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Romans 1:28

Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Romans 1:29

Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Romans 1:30

Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Romans 1:31

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:32


Why should any choose to remain "sitting on the fence", when Christ Jesus calleth us to repentance?

God created in 6 literal standard consecutive days, and rested the 7th, and there is no shame in saying to those who do not believe, "It is written...", and His words shall not pass away.

Choose this day to follow Him, believe in His Word, and He will show you great and marvellous things.

Now if we begin to believe, "Lord, help thou mine unbelief...", evidence is abundant in this world and universe that His Word is True and cannot lie, for it is as He has said it is, even as plain as He has said it...

Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed [it] by an oath: Hebrews 6:17

That by two immutable things
, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: Hebrews 6:18

God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. Romans 3:4

...let us also now consider the science, the facts, the evidence and compare...

Some Archeology:
[Archeology, Digging For The Truth Of The Bible - Dr. Don Patton, not a Seventh Day Adventist, though I wish he were]
Archaeology Digging for the Truth of the Bible - Dr. Don Patton - YouTube

[Proof For Biblical Accuracy, The Dead Sea Scrolls - Dr. Don Patton, not a Seventh Day Adventist, though I wish he were]
Proof for the Bible ''The dead sea scrolls Dr.Patton Ph.D - YouTube
 
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