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2 Timothy 3:7 CJB

who are always learning but never able to come to full knowledge of the truth.

This has been an intriguing point for me as I have come into greater knowledge of Torah truths and Messiah, watching and teaching others along the way. Some people seem to grow in leaps and bounds while others sort of swish back and forth. In context, it is a reference to the end times, which makes it pretty relevant I'd say!

I just hosted a teleconference with people newer to the process. One comment was made that sometimes, on a difficult day, they find themselves sort of yearning to just go back to the "simple days" when ignorance was bliss. Back to the happy "born again" Christian days before they more fully understood they, too, are grafted in to Israel. Yet, once knowing, most find that they really couldn't "go back" and stay honest.

Someone just sent me an old Arab maxim about knowing and not knowing.


"He that knows not,
and knows not that he knows not
is a fool.
Shun him​
He that knows not,
and knows that he knows not
is a pupil.
Teach him.​
He that knows,
and knows not that he knows
is asleep
Wake him.​
He that knows,
and knows that he knows
is a teacher.
Follow him."


In searching out the source, I came to this webpage, which offers an interesting, to me anyway, discussion of the various states of knowing and not knowing. Fairly brief, with diagrams.

Found myself applying it to the process of coming into Torah understanding.

Maybe it will be helpful tool to others as we all learn what we know and what our Abba is instructing us to do with that knowledge.

Knowing and not knowing
(Can't say I'm recommending the whole site one way or the other. Just found this discussion interesting.)
 

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2 Timothy 3:7 CJB

who are always learning but never able to come to full knowledge of the truth.

This has been an intriguing point for me as I have come into greater knowledge of Torah truths and Messiah, watching and teaching others along the way. Some people seem to grow in leaps and bounds while others sort of swish back and forth. In context, it is a reference to the end times, which makes it pretty relevant I'd say!

I just hosted a teleconference with people newer to the process. One comment was made that sometimes, on a difficult day, they find themselves sort of yearning to just go back to the "simple days" when ignorance was bliss. Back to the happy "born again" Christian days before they more fully understood they, too, are grafted in to Israel. Yet, once knowing, most find that they really couldn't "go back" and stay honest.

Someone just sent me an old Arab maxim about knowing and not knowing.


"He that knows not,
and knows not that he knows not
is a fool.
Shun him​
He that knows not,
and knows that he knows not
is a pupil.
Teach him.​
He that knows,
and knows not that he knows
is asleep
Wake him.​
He that knows,
and knows that he knows
is a teacher.
Follow him."


In searching out the source, I came to this webpage, which offers an interesting, to me anyway, discussion of the various states of knowing and not knowing. Fairly brief, with diagrams.

Found myself applying it to the process of coming into Torah understanding.

Maybe it will be helpful tool to others as we all learn what we know and what our Abba is instructing us to do with that knowledge.

Knowing and not knowing
(Can't say I'm recommending the whole site one way or the other. Just found this discussion interesting.)

Great post, I remember a few years back having a similar conversation with my wife, about simply life... as a child, life was so easy, no responsibilities, clueless to the realities of the world, all play and no work. And then you grow up... dang! and also great at the same time... Life changes drastically. The realities of life hit and the responsibilities pile on, and play becomes less and less and work takes over.

I share the same idea, when you learn about God and your relationship grows, its simply growing up... the days when I was a baby believer, barely knew an ounce of scripture, I could do whatever I wanted, not many responsibilities, then as I grew in my relationship with God and learning His word, you have to grow up, the many trials He puts you through, testing your faith, you know the drill... and as much as you wish you could go back to being a child again, you still know it is much greater being an adult, being aware of the world and living life in reality.

Reminds me of Hebrews 5:12-14 - Hebrews 6:1-2

For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant. But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil. Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.

Paul considered this the elementary principles, personally, it is my opinion these same elementary principles, is the reality for much of Christianity today, we have to grow up. :)
 
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Thanks etZion;

I appreciate your thoughts. Growing up brings great joy but also great troubles at times, doesn't it. Seems there is a Scripture verse about much wisdom and sorrow..ah, Ecclesiastes 1:18.

But our Abba has called us to grow up, and I don't think that our Messiah Husband to be will be looking for a child bride, but one who has matured and who is looking to Him, fully yielded. Yieldedness does not mean passivity just as waiting on Him is not a passive thing, but a quiet assurance of the authority in which we stand.

I understand this to include the ability to assess not only what WE want to say to others, but also being astute about where they are and what they might be able to receive at any given time.

I was thinking, too, that as we speak about what we have learned as we see Messiah as both the Living and the Written Torah, that it might be helpful to keep these different "categories" in mind. If we have some idea of where the person or people we are speaking with might fall, it will help us to know just how much or how little we are free to speak at that time.

I find that people who don't know that they don't know are often the hardest to deal with because that "double not knowing" can so easily translate into an arrogance. :cool: Thankfully, not always! In this group, I would consider those who think that having memorized every Scripture in English is all they ever need to do or know; those who think it is a waste of time to consider Hebrew or linguistic or historical context, those who are just happy to say they "have Jesus" and that's all there is to know; those who I might consider "foolish" in that they do not have a hunger and thirst to know Messiah more intimately...I think this group is probably recognizable to most of us who have come through "traditional Christianity."

Sadly, I have a sneaking suspicion that I have probably been there, too, and can only now be sad or repent toward anyone that was frustrated because I didn't know what I didn't know! :blush:

And those who know but don't know (who are asleep) can be challenging to awaken. i.e. maybe we could think of this group as those who DO have a deep abiding love and faith in Messiah but haven't yet tumbled to the understanding that "all Israel" is not THEM, but US! Some people just don't do well with a loud clanging alarm in the morning and respond better to a tastefully quiet little melody in their ears as they wake up. (Witness all the different kinds of "alarm clocks" with CD players and ipods and so forth.)

My daughter has a "cow" alarm clock. Harsh cowbells sound, coupled with: Wake Up! Don't sleep your life away! In a harsh, loud, guttural male voice.

The alarm she prefers now is a soft little musical phrase in bell chime tones.

So how are we doing at knowing when and with which people to be a clear and firm voice vs. being a quiet voice of truth when we talk about our obedience to ALL of His word that comes out of love?
 
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2 Timothy 3:7 CJB

who are always learning but never able to come to full knowledge of the truth.

This has been an intriguing point for me as I have come into greater knowledge of Torah truths and Messiah, watching and teaching others along the way. Some people seem to grow in leaps and bounds while others sort of swish back and forth. In context, it is a reference to the end times, which makes it pretty relevant I'd say!


In reading your posting, part of me was reminded of how memories can have a dual reality. FOr sometimes, in the pursuit of knowledge, the means become the end rather than remembering that the end was to be more in LOVE with Yeshua/preaching the Gospel...and thus, you have people proud of how much they may think they know---yet their hearts are far from where they used to be when they knew little...and yet the Lord used them greatly due to how they simply wanted to share Him with others.

Everything else is simply the form of what it means to follow Him rather than the substance.....and no matter how much one claims to know, be it the Hebraic or other things, it doesn't take much to love. A prostitute coming off the streets could care less about how much of the Hebraic one knows, for what she needs to know is whether or not a Savior died for her to redeem her/her children....and working with people on the streets who had that reality in view, it's amazing how so seemed to know so little and yet accomplished much:) Not surprising, is it any wonder why Christ often went to the prostitutes/tax-collectors and others whom the most learned Jewish scholars often despised because they just seemed too "simple"? (Luke 18--on the two men who went to the temple to pray, Luke 15, etc)
Matthew 11:25
[ Rest for the Weary ] At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
Matthew 11
Luke 10:21
At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.
Luke 10
On the same token, there is a beauty in growing up in knowledge/experiences--both in realizing how the more one thinks they know, the more they realize that they really have no idea...for rabbit hole can always go deep when seeing just how much there is to learn. There are things I wish I knew years ago--and yet, I realize that I would not have been able to handle it. Moreover, as much as I'm glad to be learning of advanced topics/concepts that aided me, I realized years ago that I didn't have to DEVALUE what I was learning in previous times....just as students don't despise their development process/the things they learned in kindergarden, pre-school or even highschool simply because they're at a College level. I may enjoy studying Algebra, but that doesn't mean that I discount how much of a joy it was to learn mathematics....for both are necessary in the development of who someone is....and there should always be appreciation.


If any good teacher is worth His salt, all that he teaches is remembered and applied to daily living. Nothing taught is gone to waste. A good analogy for this is my college books. They are still on my shelf for reference purposes.. like my history book, biology book, social justic books and many others since some things never change. I still have nearly all of my textbooks from college--and hated having to sell some of them back to make funds for college living. I love learning and remembering the things I'm able to assimilate...but within that, I also love progression in knowledge/knowing that what I knew 5yrs ago isn't necessarily the limits on what I must know in the future. There are some things I keep from my college classes not because I seek to apply them--but because of the lessons I learned and what they remind me of when I check them out. Some classes I got through were simply for the sake of advancing onto another class I was able to enjoy---and some things learned are simply not applied 24/7. Statistics class being one of them:cool:;)

But indeed, some things never change. ...and with others, if change occurs, they can still have value. As another Messianic said best, there may be some things the bus driver told you as a child that are still useful today. It's still a good idea to look both ways before crossing the street, and not to get out of a vehicle until it has come to a complete stop. But if you refuse to chew gum because a bus driver forbade it twenty years ago, that'd be foolish---for you are no longer under that authority. The same goes even with college, for there are many classes where professors made clear that what is learned in the class was meant to be surprassed later on by the students who'd also become teachers and professors in differing realms. In my view, when others find an idea in Old Testament law that aids them in becoming the kind of person that exudes love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (Galatians 5:22), then that's a beautiful thing...and they should do that as long as it helps. But that by itself can never aid a person since what matters is person whom the OT points to....and the example he lived.

Life is the classroom, Christ is the teacher....and He definately uses many books (Old and New) to train people in learning how to live as He desired...:) But no matter where a person may be at in life, so long as they're looking toward the Lord Jesus, it's all good. Because someone may not be at a stage of understanding/revelation that I may be at does not mean that they're someho wrong for being at that point--and just because I used to be at a certain stage where certain things were not made clear to me did not mean that I need to look back in shame saying "Oh, when I was just a simple little Christian..." For the Lord works with people at all stages. He did the same with His apostles, as many things were intentionally hidden from them.


And as much as I appreciate/miss revelations I learned at earlier stages, it doesn't mean I dwell upon them since I may miss out on the beauty of what I have available today. By no means am I for the thought that one can't miss things that may've happened before, for there are many times I have those thoughts when seeing the sheer destruction of the family and loss of understanding in history/valuing the arts. CeCe had a powerful song on the issue that always comes to mind:




And yet within that, I know that there can be times that I can end up doing damage when asking the wrong questions at the wrong times. A scripture that always comes to my mind:
Ecclesiastes 7:10
Do not say, “Why were the old days better than these?” For it is not wise to ask such questions.
Ecclesiastes 7:9-11

Every age has its bright and its dark sides...and this division of light and shadow between the past and the present shows a lack of understanding of the signs of the times and of the ways of God.

At one conference I was able to go to last year, a woman by the name of Priscilla Shirer shared her thoughts on what happens when we're so focused on looking forward to the next thing that we can end up missing the best thing. She shared how she was going through her past stuff in her parents' attic. She found her old journals. She read in her past journals about the time a house caught fire in the cul de sac where she lived. Everyone saw the fire outside her window, but she slept through it.

She later saw the same theme arise when seeing in her journals (all the way from highschool to college to marriage and having children) how her main phrase was "I can't wait..." kept on coming up....for she kept wishing that she was somewhere different than where she was. She realized that she slept through whole seasons of her life. She kept on wishing her life away, wanting to get to the next season. Hurrying through every single season. Never being present where you are, what you're experiencing. And it really served to remind me of how many times I can devalue where I'm at because of how much of a rush I can be in.

The same theme applies in reverse when it comes to wishing you could go BACK to what you used to have..and yet never realize how some things were NEVER as good as you thought them to be (and some of the bad things you hated you forget).


As another believer said best on the matter of Ecclesiastes 7:10:
Life was easy in the fifties. Most of the shows on television were about cowboys. The good guys wore white hats and the bad guys wore black hats and it was easy to tell them apart. The good guys never did bad things, and the bad guys never did good things. The television shows that were not about cowboys were about happy, loving families, such as Leave it to Beaver and Ozzie and Harriet, or they were about superheroes, such as Superman, who was always on the side of right and his personal faults never tripped him up.

But those days were not really so good, you only remember them that way. What you forget as you reminisce about the fifties is the terror of that decade. We began with the hysteria of the red scare and ended it terrified of the bomb. On the weekend, we went to the local school to see the latest fallout shelters, which if we had enough money, we could bury in our backyards so that we could survive the nuclear holocaust. No matter what town it was, everyone in it knew that they were the number one target on the Russians’ list. We stared up into the nighttime sky in fear and awe at Sputnik, the first artificial satellite ever to orbit the earth, and in our terror we flocked to the theaters to watch movies about oppressive invaders from outer space. In those days, a black family traveling cross-country to visit relatives had to sleep in the car, because ‘decent’ motels didn’t take colored people. Instead of eating in restaurants, they had to satisfy themselves with a specially designated take-out window, and they had to plan their route to avoid towns where the ‘decent folk’ didn’t like colored people driving through.

Later we discovered that the actors who portrayed our domestic ideals on the television tube did not live them in their daily lives. They suffered divorce and went through child custody battles; they had drug problems, and George Reeves, who was the 1950’s Superman, ended his life with a gun to his head. Many of the he-men whose manliness we admired at the movies turned out to have been gay all along. The ‘decency’ that separated black and white in the fifties is now an unspeakable moral failing. Nothing turned out to be what it seemed at the time! Not only were our pleasures illusions, our terrors were as well, and as for the Communist Bloc we feared so much—it evaporated like a bad dream at the dawn of a new day.

The sixties weren’t any better. We began that decade with the assassination of the president of the United States and ended it with the Viet Nam war and filled the middle with racial strife. The seventies contained the inglorious end to the Viet Nam war, the resignation of a president, and war veterans who were denied the glory we promised them.

I could go on and on, but my point is clear: the good old days aren’t good, they are just old. And so Ecclesiastes tells us not to ask why the old days were better than these, because such a question arises, not from wisdom, but from amnesia.

Would you like to go back to the fifties in a time machine? I don’t think so. Even though you know how things turned out, it isn’t a place most of us would like to live. Back then, hearing aids were the size of paperback books, there were no computers, television was only black and white, and there was no air conditioning in private homes. There was no Heimlich maneuver, no CPR, no open-heart surgery, and no effective treatment for epilepsy, depressive disorders, or migraine headaches. Remember whiplash? There were no headrests, seatbelts, or airbags in cars, and most of the good highways had not yet been built.

So why do we forget the trials, tribulations, and troubles of former times and remember them fondly? Why do we yearn to return to a time in which we lived in terror day and night?

We remember them as the good old days, because we know how they turned out. We have anxiety about the present age, because we do not know how things will turn out, and in being anxious, we reveal our lack of faith.


 
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Someone just sent me an old Arab maxim about knowing and not knowing.


"He that knows not,
and knows not that he knows not
is a fool.
Shun him​

He that knows not,​

and knows that he knows not
is a pupil.
Teach him.​

He that knows,​

and knows not that he knows
is asleep
Wake him.​

He that knows,​

and knows that he knows
is a teacher.
Follow him."​



In searching out the source, I came to this webpage, which offers an interesting, to me anyway, discussion of the various states of knowing and not knowing. Fairly brief, with diagrams.

Found myself applying it to the process of coming into Torah understanding.

Maybe it will be helpful tool to others as we all learn what we know and what our Abba is instructing us to do with that knowledge.

Knowing and not knowing
(Can't say I'm recommending the whole site one way or the other. Just found this discussion interesting.)

Arabs often had some of the most profound sayings, in regards to what you noted on the Arab Maxim.

But on the rest of what you said, it is really amazing to see the differing levels others can be at---and it's even more amazing knowing that we (IMHO) can all appreciate others at those levels we feel to be states where people have not yet understood certain things. It's also amazing to consider how there can be safety in knowing how the things may can be certain of may change...and thus, those who may be considered as being "in the know" may end up having to prepare for shifts of position when times may change and what they thought they knew isn't really what's necessary anymore. I'm reminded of St. Melito of Sardis, for he had a great love of history and liturgy, attached to the traditions of the ancients, yet he recognized that the old world — great as it was — was passing away in many respects and had wisdom in knowing how to change with it within reason.....remaining humble in knowing that he'd not always be apart of the crowd that could say they really "knew" on all levels. For a current example, if you've ever heard of a man known as Louiee Giglio, he had some excellent thoughts to share on the matter which have always stood out to me.

In many ways, the Gospel is a story of how to move forward, and why, and everyone has an idea of how and why to move forward. And as believers, we have an idea, a story, for how and why to move forward…and that gospel, that story is Jesus. In his sermon, Louie discussesd what was occurring with modernization within Hong Kong. Giglio described a recent trip to Hong Kong where he discovered that trees are so scarce that they actually go to great lengths to build skyscrapers around the few trees that do already exist. They didn’t scrap building plans because of the trees that were already established, they didn’t raze the trees but instead they designed and integrated the trees into their building plans. He called this process, “excavation and renovation” and illustrated it with the great story of his own partnership with songwriter Chris Tomlin and the creation of “Amazing Grace (My Chains Are Gone).” They maintained the integrity of this historic hymn of the Church, but created a simple but powerful new chorus that a new generation of worshippers can claim as their own. Masterful. For more on what Louie taught, one can go online/look up an article under the name of "Trees Of Hong Kong by Louie Giglio"


As said by Louie, Hong Kong went through the process of modernizing...and preserved. And they made the past central though they leaned forward for what can be, should be…and that is what the church has got to do if we are going to be transcendent.

Jesus is the constant, and He is in the midst of us. And that is the gospel. Much of the body has been very ignorant of how much what occurred in the past has truly impacted the Church..and thus, it's paramount for study to occur on such. I believe that the Ruach Ha Kodesh has moved in all streams of the CHurch (i.e. Evangelical, Pentecostal, Liturgical, Hebraic) and love discussing a broad range of topics with believers from all aspects of the Body...for all have differing levels of knowledge and may know things that another camp may not be prepared for.


For certain believers within the MJish camp, I've been rather amazed at how much there can often be a pride in thinking they know all there is because of their studies in the Hebraic...and yet, if you were to ask them if they were aware of the ways believers in the Pentecostal church in Uganda were finding supernatual ways to feed starving children and give jobs, they'd be CLUELESS...and not even realize it. If talking on how the Lord may've been working with believers in China with the Underground Church, some would not even care---or give lip service such as "Oh, that's nice...but have you heard what I learned in Torah?"....for in their minds, anything of Christianity is symbolic of how they felt they knew NOTHING when they didn't study the Hebraic. That's a pity, IMHO---and the same goes in reverse when people in certain circles of Christianity think that THEY know everything there is and act as if others not listening to them are people who don't know that they don't know ...even though they may be clueless as to the Jewish roots of the faith and how many things done in the Church don't really reflect him.

There needs to be humility on all side, IMHO. And a remembrance that the Lord loves all aspects of His Body and will use all to teach/instruct one another...be it those involved in Hebraic studies or those who study patristics or those in Charismatic circles...the list goes on. For me, the development/pursuit of knowledge at its different levels is akin to being like a tourist within a museum/seeing the different exhibits that've made up human history and influenced its development over the years for one reason or another.
Proverbs 24:4-6
4 By knowledge the rooms are filled
With all precious and pleasant riches.
5 A wise man is strong,
Yes, a man of knowledge increases strength;
6 For by wise counsel you will wage your own war, And in a multitude of counselors there is safety.



For myself, as a teacher, it is important to research/study as much as one can...and to be as well-traveled as possible. For the Body of Christ is in need of more people who know how to connect others with those parts of the body that may not be as understood...and to remember that all are in differing points/places of revelation. Again, to me, its like being a tour-guide for others....a teacher who is like a docent. As one of my brothers said best on the issue:
... I see myself as its docent- a tour guide in a museum or art gallery. Clergy showcase to the world the architecture and artistry of the Christian faith. We are tour guides, leading people from one gallery to another, shifting their attention from one work of God to the next. At times, we offer language to describe the unutterable: magnificence, awe, anguish. We are wordsmiths for life’s most muted moments.

Sometimes that moment demands explanation, and like a docent we offer information. We love when someone looks at a familiar passage of scripture in a fresh way, or unpacks some mystery of God in their life that transforms. Those are galleries that buzz with energy.

But other rooms we visit demand nothing but silence. We pause, speechless, when confronted by the mysteries of our liturgy: the breaking of bread, the lifting of a cup, the pouring of water. And there are times when our silence emerges from the ache and anguish of souls: the graveside of a loved one, a doctor’s diagnosis, or a future swirling with shadows. Our job in these moments may not be to speak but to stand. To let people know they are not alone in this gallery, and that someone has been there before.


.....The docent image isn’t perfect. Churches aren’t museums -- mere mausoleums of entities long deceased. People are drawn to churches that are committed movements, not to monuments.

Nevertheless, the idea of serving as docent energizes me and grounds me in my calling. I am neither messiah nor manager, and parishioners are much more than statistics. Together, we journey in awe through the splendor and artistry of the work of God in our lives and throughout the world.
 
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Growing up brings great joy but also great troubles at times, doesn't it. Seems there is a Scripture verse about much wisdom and sorrow..ah, Ecclesiastes 1:18.

But our Abba has called us to grow up, and I don't think that our Messiah Husband to be will be looking for a child bride, but one who has matured and who is looking to Him, fully yielded. Yieldedness does not mean passivity just as waiting on Him is not a passive thing, but a quiet assurance of the authority in which we stand.

I understand this to include the ability to assess not only what WE want to say to others, but also being astute about where they are and what they might be able to receive at any given time.

I was thinking, too, that as we speak about what we have learned as we see Messiah as both the Living and the Written Torah, that it might be helpful to keep these different "categories" in mind. If we have some idea of where the person or people we are speaking with might fall, it will help us to know just how much or how little we are free to speak at that time.

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So true:thumbsup:

So true...

Sometimes there are certain things that we may not be at liberty to share.....

I do think there's something to be said on how many concepts with knowledge can never come simply by studying and seeing what's available.

I'm reminded of what occurred in the life of Christ when he noted that the truth was often HIDDEN----for not even the people Christ grew up with (including His own Mother, who was told from the jump who Christ was and who "treasured" many of the things said about Him, Luke 2:50-52 Luke 2/ Luke 2:18-20 / Luke 2/Luke 1:1 ) did not believe Him, John 7:3-5 /John 7 (....and at one point, actually, thought he was crazy for the ministry He started to begin in full force Mark 3:20-22/ Mark 3 , despite all of the other occurances He had already did, from turning water to wine John 2:1-3 John 2 to healing Peter's mother and a Royal official's son, John 4:45-47 / John 4 and many other things...and some things that should've been clear they did not understand, Luke 2:49-51/ Luke 2 (

There is the reality that Truth many times in the life of CHrist was revealed SOLEY by the Father, confirmed by the Son--as with Peter and Christ in Matthew 16:16-18 / Matthew 16 ----and of course, same when Christ made clear that even for those against Him, to a degree they had no clue what they were doing, Luke 23:33-35/John 11:49-51 /on a side note, it makes one wonder about Polemics/Apolegetics and others solely relying on methods/means as if they alone can save and enlighten people when the issue is that people saw Jesus up close and personal-----with them often still not understanding fully, apart from the Spirit opening one's eyes...though other times, things He said were more than clear and He was more than open about people being "dull", Matthew 15:15-17/ Matthew 15 Mark 7:18/Mark 7 Matthew 16:10-12 / Matthew 16 /Mark 8:13-15 / Mark 8 /John 3:9-11 John 3
Luke 9:44-46 / Luke 9/Mark 9:31-33 / Mark 9
While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples, 44"Listen carefully to what I am about to tell you: The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men." 45But they did not understand what this meant. It was hidden from them, so that they did not grasp it, and they were afraid to ask him about it.
Jesus Again Predicts His Death

31Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. 32He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him. 33On the third day he will rise again." 34The disciples did not understand any of this. Its meaning was hidden from them, and they did not know what he was talking about.

Luke 18:33-35 / Luke 18
Mark 6:51-53 Mark 6
Immediately he spoke to them and said, "Take courage! It is I. Don't be afraid." 51Then he climbed into the boat with them, and the wind died down. They were completely amazed, 52for they had not understood about the loaves; their hearts were hardened.
John 13:7
Jesus replied, "You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand."
John 13:6-8 John 13
John 8:27
They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father.
John 8:26-28 / John 8
John 10:5-7 John 10
But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice." 6Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.
John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.
John 16:24-26 John 16


 
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Someone just sent me an old Arab maxim about knowing and not knowing.


"He that knows not,
and knows not that he knows not
is a fool.
Shun him​

He that knows not,​

and knows that he knows not
is a pupil.
Teach him.​

He that knows,​

and knows not that he knows
is asleep
Wake him.​

He that knows,​

and knows that he knows
is a teacher.
Follow him."​

If you've ever seen the movie "Men in Black" (on covert agencies monitoring the activity of alien life on the planet), there was an excellent scene where one of the main characters shared a really memorable quote on how what we know is continually evolving, sometimes to the point of having to discard the things we "knew" even when we thought we arrived..with some things not being able to be shared when it seems others can't handle it:
 
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