Why are "Hate Crimes" Worse?
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Purple people murdered by egg beaters? what the hooven hiney flignoover schmupooplink? Are you channeling Rose Nylund?
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A... "frivolous intellectual fad"? Seriously? SERIOUSLY? I mean, 1. you are clearly white. Congratulations on being unapologetically ignorant and happily so. 2. Do you love your neighbor, or wish him or her to be consistently subject to society-wide discrimination and violence? Obviously the latter. Again, congrats. It's almost refreshing to see racists who are unafraid to own it, loud and proud. So many others have been (rightly) shamed, but here you are, willing to announce and wallow in your bigotry.
Yeah, again, spoken from a person who has not ever actually tried to understand his social privilege and the implications of that privilege for those who suffer from it. You are the type of person that makes me need to apologize for my race, and, oddly enough, Christians in general.
It goes like this, "Hey fellow human beings: not everyone (specifically, not every white person) is this blind to his or her own social privilege. Some of us actually care and try, as best we can, to work toward an equal society. I am sorry some of us lag. Also, I know not all Christians are like this, either. Some actually do value the marginalized groups of society and practice that whole 'love thy neighbor' thing. Please do not take this as representative of white people or Christians. Do not give up on humanity. We're working on it. Love (in the full, unbigoted sense), Grumpgrump"
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According to the Bible, those who hate don't know G-d. So I'd say hate is pretty darn bad.
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It seems that humans are just not able to correct things that only the Holy Spirit's sword (New Testament) can. Talk about something backfiring! In 1968 the Civil Rights Act was passed. It looked like a very good and necessary thing....on the surface. However, it turned into the lawyers paradise and they wanted (and still want) as many clients as they can get, in order to attach the monies of the companies who are alleged to have violated their protected class client's rights. It didn't take long for companies to start relocating overseas where they don't have to deal with all the (majority of these) expensive falsehoods.
The only way for the U.S.A. to get to where we should be is for our leader/s to admit that there are 2 supernatural agents that are influencing us. That there is a positive agent and a negative agent and that like it or not, we have to utilize the scriptures objectively in order to live in harmony:
John Adams
We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. - Letter to the Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts (11 October 1798)
The only way for the U.S.A. to get to where we should be is for our leader/s to admit that there are 2 supernatural agents that are influencing us. That there is a positive agent and a negative agent and that like it or not, we have to utilize the scriptures objectively in order to live in harmony:
John Adams
We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. - Letter to the Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts (11 October 1798)
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Ah, yes, all those troublesome human rights. They've driven all the companies to countries where they don't hold sway.
...must be nice to live in one of those relative paradises, huh?
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That is so frustrating that people still behave like that.
Not to detract from the point of the article, but this stood out to me:
a conventional place that takes pride in its annual Halloween parade it bills itself the "Halloween Capital of the World."
A town of evangelicals attacking gay kids and home to Michelle Bachmann bills itself as the Capital of Satan's holiday? And here a thought Halloween was evil.
So it's ok to celebrate a holiday where people dress up like witches, demons, and killers, and has a strong hatred among Conservatives due to its perceived Satanic origins, but not shouting bigoted obscenities at a gay 13 year old on the verge of suicide would just be totally unacceptable to God and clear endorsement of sin?
Hypocrisy much? Everyday I seem to despise evangelicalism/fundamentalism just a little bit more.
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It is not the fault of the laws. They do not create protected classes. Quite the opposite, they identify suspect classes -- classifications that cannot be used to exclude people. The fault is with partisan political posturing.
The right wingers tried blocking the laws claiming that they created privileged classes as a sort of reverse racism, etc. The primary suspect class at the time of their passage was race, so that was the main focus. Gender, religion, ethnicity and age were secondary, and sexual orientation and sexual identity are newcomers that are not yet always accepted by the legislatures.
After the laws were passed, many left-wingers took advantage of the right-wing characterization of the laws and in doing so began gutting them of their real elrgance. I don't know that they succeeded in turning the suspect classification into a protective hedge for a newly created priveledged class, but there certainly have been a lot of questionable decisions made in the name of these laws.
I can't refute this statement, but I would like to offer another quote as a counterpoint:
It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.
--attributed to Winston Churchill
--attributed to Winston Churchill
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So then we should charge every death as murder in the first degree and do away with the lesser forms of murder, manslaughter, and justifiable homicide?
(Actually, in this case I agree that "hate" should not be an enhancement to a violent crime. Terrorism is a violent crime in its own right. Those "Christian" high-schoolers in Anoka and the school board members that encouraged them are guilty of heinous acts, and it is unconscionable that they are untouchable because they are not the ones who fired the guns or placed the ropes around the victims' necks.)
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Woooooow. You're blaming an economic downturn on civil rights?
I guess I don't have to ask your opinions on the 13th amendment. "ABOLISHING SLAVERY WAS SO BAD FOR THE ECONOMY, RIGHT?! Priorities, people!
Priority 1: Keeping me privileged and making sure I'm all set to make lots'o'cash.
Priority 2: Establishing a theocracy, or at least ensuring that all my leaders follow the "right" religion.
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Priority 2,039,480: Being logical and having a solid grasp of history.
Priority 2,039,481: Caring about the welfare and civil rights of my fellow human beings.
Priority 2,039,482: Following all that Biblical nonsense about caring for the poor and loving my neighbor or whatnot."
This is how I imagine your internal monologue goes.
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For the mastication of forum: Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice | LiveScience
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Well, I see you misunderstood what I was meaning. What the legislators tried to do to help non-whites and women back in 1968 has since been hijacked by lawyers and they have placed the sue-happy $$$ mindset into those people by which this law was created to help. No, this isn't the only reason businesses relocated overseas...but it was a major one. The other was big business greed$$$ as we all know.
The climate of the workplace today consists of workers on one side (unprotected class or group) trying to navigate through a daily mine-field of perceived discrimination, and the other side daily seeking to gather enough incidental possibilites of discrimination by which to build a case$$$ against the other workers and the employer.
Lost in all of this is our patriotism and our spiritual attention.
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Well, there's enough misinformation in there to show that you're either racist or that you don't know the difference between racist propaganda and facts. Either way, all you've done is show that hate crimes and civil rights laws are as important today as they ever have been.
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Just ignore the Nilihist, like most of his friends, he's here to twist everything you say.
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OK, well, try and think of some.
Yes, seriously. It seems I just blew your mind. Perhaps, instead of being narrow minded and judgmental, you could open your mind and try and understand why I might say that. You're wasting a grand opportunity to show your non-judgmental, understanding, compassionate nature.
That's a very racist thing you just wrote. As if the color of skin could dictate a man's thoughts. Skin color is irrelevant, except for racists like yourself. BTW, I was paraphrasing a black scholar from Africa. Here's your sign.
Ignorant of what? If you're going to call someone ignorant you should back it up with something substantial.
I just moved recently and do not know my neighbors yet.
"KC understands the dangers of Thought Crime laws. He also has experienced how subjectively and selectively they are used. Therefore, he wants people to be killed!".
Ridiculous statement is ridiculous. There is nothing racist about opposing thought crime. Your post reeks of projection.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. "bigot" was originall a racist term for the Normans, so I suppose it's rather fitting for you to use it so much. That said, 'bigotry' does not refer to what beliefs you have but how you hold them. According to the dictionary, a bigot is someone who is obstinate in his beliefs or opinions. A great example is the exchange between you and I here: I posted an opinion that differs from the narrow-minded orthodoxy you appear to have been indoctrinated with, and in return you fly off the handle, making racist statements while ironically accusing me of being a racist like yourself, and assume all sorts of things you have know clue about, then make judgments based on your made up facts.
You have no idea what my life has been like, what I have been through, or even where I grew up. You are ignorant, and make sanctimonious judgements based on it.
Hate is bad. But, it's not a Cardinal Sin. Pride is far worse. I remember on my trips to Japan some experiences where I could not go to restaurants or hot springs because I'm not Japanese. Their exclusion was not based so much on hatred as Pride. I once spoke at length with a fellow who grew up in Japan as non-Japanese(parents were missionaries). He and I dialectically came to the conclusion that had his parents divorced while he was young it would likely be far more traumatic than a lifetime of racism as a minority in society.
Always a good quote. Thank you for posting.
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Not true! A republic is much better. The Founding Fathers observed that democracies ultimately became tyranny of the majority, then oligarchy. That is why when Franklin left the Convention and a woman asked him "Sir, what kind of government have you given us?" he replied "A republic, madame --if you can keep it".
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