Walid took us through the Scriptures and showed us Mystery Babylon is "nuked" by Iran. Iran being one of the heads of the "Beast", and Mystery Babylon being the harlot that one destroys. It is not Rome [common western accusation, without bibilical support].I'd tell you exactly who "Mystery Babylon" is, according to scripture, but you might not like it...
Walid took us through the Scriptures and showed us Mystery Babylon is "nuked" by Iran. Iran being one of the heads of the "Beast", and Mystery Babylon being the harlot that one destroys. It is not Rome [common western accusation, without bibilical support].
It is not Jerusalem [common protestant western ego i.d. of mystery Babylon].
Walid walks one through Scripture to show it is not Jerusalem.Actually, it is Jerusalem...if we're to follow the scriptural account.
yeshuasavedme said:Walid walks one through Scripture to show it is not Jerusalem.
yeshuasavedme said:She is in the wilderness. She has seven heads and ten horns. Walid diagrams the seven heads and ten horns, from the Word.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
The seven heads are said to be seven kingdoms/kings. Mountain in Scripture is a kingdom/a power which rules.
Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
You can't make a square peg fit in a round hole.yeshuasavedme:
Walid does no such thing, as I'll show in a moment.
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yeshuasavedme said:Not "666," in the original, but...watch and see!
yeshuasavedme:
I did watch and....??? Walid may be correct in what he just said, but what does that have to do with what we're presently discussing? Nothing...nothing at all. By way of reminder, we're discussing who the woman/harlot is.
yeshuasavedme said:Oh dear -no! We are discussing Walid Shoebat and his authority and understanding to teach on these matters!
Go read the OP and title of this thread -maybe you thought it was another thread you were posting in?
yeshuasavedme said:Walid took us through the Scriptures and showed us Mystery Babylon is "nuked" by Iran. Iran being one of the heads of the "Beast", and Mystery Babylon being the harlot that one destroys. It is not Rome [common western accusation, without bibilical support].
It is not Jerusalem [common protestant western ego i.d. of mystery Babylon].
yeshuasavedme said:Oh dear -no! We are discussing Walid Shoebat and his authority and understanding to teach on these matters!
Go read the OP and title of this thread -maybe you thought it was another thread you were posting in?
Tired Knight said:Walid shoebat
Walid Shoebat Set A - #1 of 7 - YouTube
What some other's opinions on this video series. Watch the whole thing... it is really interesting. I will get my opinion on here in a bit!
Peace!yeshuasavedme:
Actually, this is what you and I were discussing:
Now, would you like to address what I posted in relation to Jerusalem being "MYSTERY BABLYON" in contrast to YOUR CLAIM or should I just expect another diversionary tactic? In any case, when I have more time, I'll continue to show that JERUSALEM is indeed the very "MYSTERY BABYLON" of scripture so that no one else gets misled by Walid Shoebat's erroneous teachings along this specific line.
His Bible teaching is not specifically directed to that, but generally covers it. He specifically deals with the western mindset that has believed all Scripture is divorced from the middle eastern mindset and that particular doctrine of the idea that Rome is the harlot city and the Pope is the anti-Christ.yeshuasavedme:
Walid says that "the woman/harlot" is NOT Jerusalem,.
yeshuasavedme said:Because of his biblical teaching on what that city is, and what and who the anti-Christ is, he also dispels the false notion that Jerusalem is the harlot city. That cannot even be believed by one who takes all prophecy from the beginning of the Word, like Walid does, and goes right through to the end, arriving at Revelation last; and not beginning from Revelation to try to make western mindsets bend all other Scripture before it or ignore it, or twist it, or allegorize it, to make the harlot city any other than what God has said, from the beginning; and its location, specifically, as Saudi Arabia, where Islam was spawned as an anti-Christ "christian" cult, and the Mohammed coming mahdi as the final anti-Christ.
Walid refutes the doctrines you posted with the Scriptures. To say A =B =C is not true, when A is not B, and neither is C....
Show me/us, FROM SCRIPTURE, where any other city could rightly be called THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS.
I'll be waiting...
5 Then the angel who talked with me came out and said to me, “Lift your eyes now, and see what this is that goes forth.”
6 So I asked, “What is it?” And he said, “It is a basket[a] that is going forth.”
He also said, “This is their resemblance throughout the earth: 7 Here is a lead disc lifted up, and this is a woman sitting inside the basket”; 8 then he said, “This is Wickedness!” And he thrust her down into the basket, and threw the lead cover[b] over its mouth. 9 Then I raised my eyes and looked, and there were two women, coming with the wind in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork, and they lifted up the basket between earth and heaven.
10 So I said to the angel who talked with me, “Where are they carrying the basket?”
11 And he said to me, “To build a house for it in the land of Shinar;[c] when it is ready, the basket will be set there on its base.”
“Remember O Lord, against the Edomites the day of Jerusalem’s fall,
How they said ‘tear it down! Tear it down! Down to its foundations!
O daughter of Babylon, you devastator!” [Psalms 137:7-8]
So Edom is referred to as Babylon and Edom was the region including southern Jordan and Arabia which is dominated by Saudi Arabia.
And from another Psalm Edom (Saudi Arabia) is also mentioned for destruction.
Psalm 83 talks about the nations that have conspired to destroy Israel and that God will destroy them, and the first nation mentioned is Edom (Saudi Arabia). [Psalm 83:6]
“I will stretch out my hand against Edom and cut off from it humans and animals, and I will make it desolate; from Teman to Dedan they shall fall by the sword”. [Ezekiel 25:13]
“Thus says the Lord of Hosts, is there no longer wisdom in Teman?
Flee, turn back, get down low, inhabitants of Dedan!
For I will bring the calamity of Esau upon him at the time when I punish him”. [Jeremiah 49:8-9]
“Therefore hear the plan the Lord has made against Edom...and the inhabitants of Teman; at the sound of their fall, the Earth shall tremble; the sound of their cry shall be heard at the Red Sea”. [Jeremiah 49:20-21]
“The glory of Kedar will fall” [Isaiah 21:16]http://www.islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3343:mystery-babylon-and-the-scarlet-harlot&catid=209
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Note that the places mentioned, Teman, Dedan and Kedar are all in what is today Saudi Arabia and these are mentioned for destruction. Jeremiah gives another clue that Babylon must be near the Red Sea.
Well, Saudi Arabia certainly is. But there is more.
“And the streams of Edom shall be turned to pitch and her soil to sulphur;
Her land shall become burning pitch;
Night and day it shall not be quenched and its smoke shall go up forever;
From generation to generation it shall lie waste;
No one shall pass through it, forever and ever”. [Isaiah 34:9-10]
Note the reference to pitch, which is a by-product of oil, and Saudi Arabia has the world’s largest reserves of oil. It will be totally destroyed.
And one final clue as to Babylon’s identity.
“the day of the Lord comes, cruel with anger, to make the Earth a desolation;
And Babylon... will be like Sodom and Gomorrah;
It will never be inhabited or lived in for all generations,
Arabs will not pitch their tents there”. [Isaiah 13:9-20]
Note that Arabs will not pitch their tents there. This must refer to Arabia.
The fact that the destruction will be like Sodom and Gomorrah indicates a swift destruction, probably by a nuclear explosion.
By examining scripture we find that the mystery Babylon in the End-Times can only be Arabia.
The Failure of Biblical scholarship
As Walid Shoebat has observed, conventional Biblical scholars have looked at the Bible prophecy through “western eyes” and hence make three fundamental errors.
he Bible identifies Mountains as Empires or Nations by calling Babylon a mountain.
- With Rome in their sight, they misinterpret the seven hills in Rev 17:9 as the seven hills of Rome;
- Rome is considered to be mystery Babylon because of a reference in 1 Peter 5:13;
- The troops of the Antichrist in Daniel 9:26 are mistaken to be Roman and NOT Muslim....
“Behold, I [am] against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the LORD, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee”. [Jeremiah 51:25]So Mountains are nations, NOT hills!
A beast is defined as a nation or empire that is influenced by Satan and the seven heads or mountains of Revelation 17 are then Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome and Islamic (Ottoman)....
Also, Mecca is the spiritual home of all Muslims and that the kingdom of Saudi Arabia which controls Mecca is corrupting nations with its oil wealth. We should consider how Mecca / the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia fits the harlot of Babylon. As the spiritual home of Islam, Mecca rules (influences) over 1.5 billion people on this planet, in every country. The colour scarlet denotes royalty and of course the Royal House of Saud controls Mecca, the spiritual home of Islam. Mecca causes people to fly planes into buildings, to blow up infrastructure, to strap bombs on themselves to blow up the Kuffaar, and to behead infidels shouting ‘Allahu Akbar”.
Consider attributes of the harlot in Revelation 17 & 18.
- The great harlot is seated on many waters (peoples, nations and languages)
- The kings of the Earth have committed fornication and are drunk with the wine (oil)
- John was carried away into a wilderness where he saw the woman sitting on the scarlet beast
- The woman was adorned with gold and jewels holding a golden cup full of abominations
- The woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the witnesses to Jesus
- The beast shall hate the harlot and will burn her up with fire
- Her judgement will come in one hour.
http://www.islammonitor.org/index.p...tery-babylon-and-the-scarlet-harlot&catid=209
Consider how Mecca fits the criteria.
Mecca fits to perfection the profile of the Scarlet harlot sitting on (controlling) the Islamic beast.
- Mecca influences over 1.5 billion people from all nations and countries
- Western nations are desperate for oil from the world’s largest supplier
- The Arabian peninsula is a desert wilderness, and Mecca is the spiritual home for all Muslims
- Saudi Arabia does a huge trade in gold and jewellery and is subverting the west with oil money and funding terror
- Islam has killed over 270 million people since the seventh century, and Islam demands the killing of all Jews and the destruction of Christianity
- Islamic nations hate Saudi Arabia because they believe it has corrupted Islam and in Islamic eschatology, both Mecca and Medina will be destroyed, probably by a Turkey, Syria, Iran axis
- The judgement could well be a nuclear device if it is to come in one hour.
CONCLUSION
By not taking a western perspective and properly analysing scripture, it is obvious that the mystery Babylon is Arabia and the Great Harlot who sits on the beast is none other than Mecca, the spiritual home of Islam.
Both Islamic and Biblical eschatology then agree that Mecca and Medina will be destroyed and the Bible goes further to have the whole of Arabia destroyed. Not many people in the West will shed a tear.
Consider then, if the Church took an eastern perspective:
a) Islam would be identified as the religion of Satan;
b) The church would preach to over 2 billion Christians that Allah was Satan;
c) Interfaith meetings would take on a whole new perspective, and;
d) Church leaders would hassle Politicians about NOT allowing Islam to flourish.
We can only dream!
Considering what the sixth Imam of Shia, Imam Jafar Sadiq, said:
“One who exposes something from our religion is like one who intentionally kills us”.
We should turn this on our Church and Biblical scholars and say:
“One who ignores that Islam IS the problem is like one who intentionally kills us”.
A Challenge for Readers
A careful analysis of the End-Times prophecies in the Psalms, the prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and also in the book of Revelation ALL reveal the places named for judgement and destruction as Islamic places today. The challenge for readers is to identify even ONE place mentioned for punishment that is NOT a predominately Muslim country today. Good Luck!
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