Do you think multiculturalism is a Good thing for Europe?

I guess it kind of depends on what it's supposed to accomplish. Personally I can't think of an immediate benefit of it. I believe European countries have a right to take certain measures to protect their cultures. Unlike in America, they are more or less the native people of their regions and were never really considered melting pots. They don't owe nearly as much to immigration as the U.S. does.

I vote 'no' considering the question as literally as possible, i.e. multiculturalism isn't a 'good' thing for Europe so much as just a 'thing'. In fact as far as I can see (admittedly not very far) it seem to cause a lot of unnecessary tension between peoples.

Absolutely a very good thing. It may not be the best for the creation of wealth or military might, but is far and away the best for the sustainability and health of a society.

Exactly what do skyrocketing crime rates and massive welfare spending on idle populations who who organize against their host countries for special privledges do to promote the sustainibility and health of a society? How many cities have to burn before that is understood?

There is absolutely no rational basis for European countries to be import never ending streams of people from the Third World. It's a religion is what it is, a religion without a god, at least not a supernatural god.

I don't see the problem with it. All we're gonna do is bicker and fight until we stop thinking of ourselves as separate cultures, and start thinking as a species.

SoldierOfTheKing said:

Exactly what do skyrocketing crime rates and massive welfare spending on idle populations who who organize against their host countries for special privledges do to promote the sustainibility and health of a society? How many cities have to burn before that is understood?

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It keeps a society introspective, honest and balanced. It is better for countries to experience the small amount of internal upheaval that comes through differences in ideas and cultures, rather than the massive amount of international upheaval that comes when ideologically pure countries engage in all out war.

It's like in nature, where biodiversity means strength and sustainability. The uniform wheat field will quickly reach a glorious pinnacle and then quickly waste away if not for the farmer's intervention.
Whereas a grassland, though it takes many years to be properly established, and may always be subject to upheaval and struggle, will last forever. The diverse methods of putting up leaves, or putting down roots, or attracting or repelling animals may at times seem to be in conflict with each other. But over the centuries, it is these characteristics that will ensure the survivability of the ecosystem as a whole.

SoldierOfTheKing said:

There is absolutely no rational basis for European countries to be import never ending streams of people from the Third World. It's a religion is what it is, a religion without a god, at least not a supernatural god.

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God is not a God of nationalism. I believe that His concern is that humans follow His laws, none of which have to do with immigration or national purity.

Europe is a big place that has always had a multitude of cultures. The " I'm against multiculturalism" thing is usually just a disguise for racism. It's ok if there are different cultures - Germanic, Celtic, Slavic, Hungarian, etc just no room for those people with dark skin or slanted eyes. They are different and yucky. At least that's what I get out of most of the anti-multicultural rants.

Like asking: inbreeding, good or bad for Europe.

Yes. Multiculturalism is, has been and will be good for Europe.

There has never ever been a monolithic "European" monoculture. The European continent has always been multicultural and flourishing.

Ishraqiyun said:

Europe is a big place that has always had a multitude of cultures. The " I'm against multiculturalism" thing is usually just a disguise for racism. It's ok if there are different cultures - Germanic, Celtic, Slavic, Hungarian, etc just no room for those people with dark skin or slanted eyes. They are different and yucky. At least that's what I get out of most of the anti-multicultural rants.

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Don't forget religious bigotry, that one seems to be all the rage nowadays too.

Kalevalatar said:

Like asking: inbreeding, good or bad for Europe.

Yes. Multiculturalism is, has been and will be good for Europe.

There has never ever been an monolithic "European" monoculture. The European continent has always been multicultural and flourishing.

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This. So much this.

Also, beyond the fact humanity does not live in bubbles and even in older periods of time total geographical isolation existed in pockets. The advancement of communication and transportation technology makes multiculturalism inevitable.

Kalevalatar said:

Yes. Multiculturalism is, has been and will be good for Europe.

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What are the positives of multiculturalism then?

There has never ever been a monolithic "European" monoculture. The European continent has always been multicultural and flourishing.

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Completely false. Modern European cultures started as an Indo-European monoculture around 8,000 - 6,000 years ago.

Europe has not been multicultural since modern times when our lands have been flooded by Muslims and other third world immigrants. And even if Europe in ancient times was multicultural (it wasn't though) in no way does that justify modern mass immigration or multiculturalism.

You need a better argument.

SonOfTheWest said:

This. So much this.

Also, beyond the fact humanity does not live in bubbles and even in older periods of time total geographical isolation existed in pockets. The advancement of communication and transportation technology makes multiculturalism inevitable.

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So why are only white countries forced to accept multiculturalism? Asia in contrast is homogenous- Korea is 99% Korean and Japan, 99% Japanese.

Once again you liberals/lefties are not making sense.

Boglin said:

So why are only white countries forced to accept multiculturalism? Asia in contrast is homogenous- Korea is 99% Korean and Japan, 99% Japanese.

Once again you liberals/lefties are not making sense.

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We can't force them to accept anything. We can set the example though. Do not use other's inadaquecies to justify us clinging to ours.

Completely false. Modern European cultures started as an Indo-European monoculture around 8,000 - 6,000 years ago.

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What it started as and what it has been for the past thousands of years are two different things. All of humanity started as a single mono-culture if you go far enough back. That doesn't imply that the world isn't filled with thousands of diverse cultures now. You are also forgetting the non Indo-European speaking peoples and cultures of Europe like the Basques , Fins, Hungarians, and Laps for example. They don't speak an IE language. Further back you would also have the Etruscans, Pelasgians, old Iberians, etc. Europe has been a diverse place for some time now.

Wayte said:

We can't force them to accept anything. We can set the example though. Do not use other's inadaquecies to justify us clinging to ours.

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But how is homogeneity an inadequacy? Japan seems to be no worse off than anyone else at the moment (besides the nuclear meltdown thing).

serenity now said:

But how is homogeneity an inadequacy? Japan seems to be no worse off than anyone else at the moment (besides the nuclear meltdown thing).

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Homogeneity of culture leads to stagnation over time. Ya, it's easier in the short run. Avoids small ideological scuffles and such. But in the long run a melting pot will draw ideas from all it's different groups, and evolve into something altogether superior. Most opponents of multiculturalism I've seen judge it based on it's adjustment pains, with no interest in long term social advancement. Or else they have a problem with society moving forward altogether and simply fight multiculturalism to keep their little white picket fence fantasy alive.

These guys have never know multiculturalism:



No interaction, no synergy, no new techologies introduced, no innovation. In year 2011 AD this tribe is still stuck to the stone ages.

Boglin said:

So why are only white countries forced to accept multiculturalism? Asia in contrast is homogenous- Korea is 99% Korean and Japan, 99% Japanese.

Once again you liberals/lefties are not making sense.

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LOL@Boglin. I suggest you read up on Japanese and Korean history.

Ishraqiyun said:

Europe is a big place that has always had a multitude of cultures. The " I'm against multiculturalism" thing is usually just a disguise for racism. It's ok if there are different cultures - Germanic, Celtic, Slavic, Hungarian, etc just no room for those people with dark skin or slanted eyes. They are different and yucky. At least that's what I get out of most of the anti-multicultural rants.

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Can we make a distinction between indigenous and non-indigenous cultues? It's usually not a problem when we're talking about any other continent.

Wayte said:

Don't forget religious bigotry, that one seems to be all the rage nowadays too.

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You mean like this?



While I'm on the subject, here's how multiculturalism contains the seeds of its own destruction. Multiculturalism supports the immigration and preferential treatment of those who hold to a totalitarian creed that has no part in multiculturalism. The reversal of Tours and Vienna will not create a multicultural Europe.

Kalevalatar said:

These guys have never know multiculturalism:

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Neither have the Japanese, and until quite recently, neither did your country. Its all a question of which culture defines a society. Western civilization has been blessed with knack for innovation. When you import people such as those picture whose cultures produce innovation or technological advances... look what happens. Those lavish social welfare states so loved in Europe... who created them? Who maintains them? Have the Third World countries from which Europe's refugees come produced anything like them? How long will they be sustainible with an increasing number of people who take so much from them and contribute so little to them?



Western people = Western Country
Third World people = Third World country

You mean like this?

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Yes, right wing Muslims tend to be a lot like right wing Christians in terms of bigotry against other religions. It's not so much the relgion as it is the "right wing" or "fundamentalist" part.