Shiloh

I never studied this before, so please add in if you can, because I just started this about an hour ago And began it when the topic come up on another forum upstairs, so I said, let me look... However, I'd rather do my studies down here, its quieter

Ok, this is where I am starting (and what I am catching so far) but I havent gotten everything.
It says..

Gen 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

Likewise...

Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah

And likewise...

James 4:12 There is one lawgiver,


And we know...

Isaiah 33:22 For the LORD is our judge,the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

Now here...

Gen 4911 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:

And likewise...

John 15:1 I am the true vine

Whereas He said...


Mat 21:2 Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.


So this to me makes sense in Christ...


Gen 49:11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine;


And again we see...


Mat 21:5 **Tell ye** the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.


Now here...

Gen 49:10... and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

And likewise of this ministry of recconcilation....

Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

And likewise...

Ephes 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

That sounds like Christ to me, does it you?

Can anyone add anything more to this? I wont pick up and start looking at it againt till the morning, but its a start though

Gods peace be with you

InSpiritInTruth said:

Notice the ass, and the foal of the ass are symbolic of the stiff-necked hardheaded children of Israel who would be bound for a time.

Also notice in the gospel the location where these 2 were loosed: where 2 ways met.

This shows (the sign of time) determined upon Israel, before the parting of (the way); this is where one way would end, and another way would begin.

This is also shown in the new meat offering, or New Covenant.

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This is too kool brother, Yes I see what your saying, awesome!

Ok, let me ask you something because this just come to mind when I read your post, it speaks of the firstling of an a-ss redeem with a Lamb if not "break its neck"

Do you believe its in relation to being stiffnecked in that sense?

I was sorta curious about that too

God bless you brother!

Brenda Morgan said:

Gen 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

But the first King of Israel was Saul of the tribe of Benjamin. There was no Judaic king when Israel was ruled by the Judges.
The Sceptre did depart from Judah when the Babylonians took the Jews into Captivity. There was no King from then on.

In Hebrew Shiloh means "a gift to him."

If we translate Shiloh in Genesis 49:10 we get the following.
“The scepter shall not depart from Judah,
Nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet,
Until a gift to him comes,
And to him shall be the obedience of the peoples.

I don't think that this is a Messianic Scripture.
Zedekiah was the last King of the line of Judah before the Babylonian captivity.
I don't know of any gift that was given Zedekiah, but Hezekiah the last good King received gifts. Solomon the last King of the united Monarchy received gifts from the Queen of Sheba.

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Im not following you bro, I do sorta see the whole thing summed up in Jesus (of Judah) and is The Vine (likewise) He also is the gift of God (and when he ascended on High he recieved and gave gifts to men) and our obedience (of the faith, likewise a gift) is unto Him.

Unless I am not following you

Brenda Morgan said:

If you suggest that Gen 49:10 is a messianic Scripture you have a problem because the Septre, the symbol of rulership, did depart from Judah before Jesus came.

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His scepter is of righteouesness, these pertain to Christ

John 15:1 I am the true vine

Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda.

Heb 1:16 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Mat 24:24 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Isaiah 32:23 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

James 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

I cant see how its not Christ no

SpiritInTruth, beautiful, thanks, always very simply put when you share wish I had your gift.


I'll just post these behind you too, for some confirmation likewise of Him

Whereas it asks...

Prov 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

This is why pointing out that David (his physical body as a man) did not ascend and to whom it was speaking of...

Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Further explained

Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:



Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David.

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2Titus 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel
Again, because he's declared the Son of God by this...

Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:


"Being the firstbegotten from the dead" glorifying not himself to be made a high priest as it was said to Him....

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

They perceived the equality here

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Whereas it says...

1Cr 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

1Cr 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

And ofcourse

Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.


Rev 5:5 ....Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.


I have more but I tend to go on overload

Brenda Morgan said:

Now you lost me.
And I'm not your Bro.

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I sure do appologize for that Brenda, God richly bless you