$$$ Prosperity... how much is enough?

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Zamar,

Sorry but the "love of money" and other possesions is what Kenneth Copeland is all about. I have seen him many mornings and that is what he talks about mainly. I do not think he is an evil person but he is wrong.

"(Due 8:18 states that God gives power to optain wealth to establish the covenant)"

true God gives us the power to do anything. I do nto see the point.

"Where is the "rest of the Bible " does the Bible promote poverty?"

Some might promote poverty but I do not think that we have to be in poverty. But the reverse is not true either. God's concern is not to get us rich. Whether we are rich or poor we need to use what we have to serve the Lord and remmeber it is all His. The parable of the talents also was not just money. It was about all the talents that we have.

"You cannot judge people that you do not know."

They are public figures. I do not think that either one of us are judging their hearts just their tachings.

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I think many are missing the point of the message of prosperity. It's no use to God if your goal in life is to accumulate wealth, without doing any 'good' with it. Back to my example now of income. If someone earns $50,000 a year and gives 20% to the church, and someone else earns $500,000 a year and gives 10% to the church. Is the first person more holy than the other? Do we judge a person on how much they give? NO!

But now looking purely at the amounts that each has given, there is much more that you can do with 10% of $500k than 20% of $50K. This is why prosperity is preached, not just to be rich for materialistic gain, but to be rich so that in giving, the kingdom of God is furthered.
 
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I am not judging the salvation of anyone. But the Bible gives me the authority to check the fruit of every preacher. I see fruits of coveting.
Now, if these preachers had enough faith, & gave the poor some of their money, God would give them enough money to continue their ministry & they wouldn't have to keep asking me for more $.
 
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So should we believe that where we are is where God has placed us, and we should be content with what we have... we should just give what is biblically required from God, which is 10% of our income, and whatever God needs, he will provide to us. We should not seek to better our lives as if God wants us to be rich, then he will make us rich, so we should just sit back, and wait?!
 
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God is going to further His cause with or without money.
Do you really think GOD needs our money?
If we gave absolutely nothing, God would still exist. God would still spread the gospel. He does not need money.
Money is just another test of who we are. It is another way to make us grow into who God wants us to be.
God does not prosper everyone alike. Some are extremely prospered with gifts of the Spirit. Some are prospered with musical talent. Some are prospered with the ability to speak.
Some are prospered with house building.
The only Prosperity that we all have in common is to be heirs of the kingdom of God. We as Christians are guaranteed to sit at the right hand of God with Jesus our master.
 
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Yes of course God will exist without money. He doesn't need money, but to survive in the world we do. While we are not of the world in spirit, we still live in the world. We still need jobs. We still need to pay rent, mortgages, bills etc. The church still needs money to run the buildings, support missions, produce television ministries... hire sound recording studios to produce music, hire venues for conferences etc etc... yes it all costs money.

God is not going to send a miracle down to magically put money in the bank account to pay for all of this. We do! We are God's hands in the world. We are the way in which God works to raise money. It is through you and me and it's this spirit of prosperity that we should believe in that we all need so that our giving may increase.
 
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All you need is the faith of a mustard seed. Trying to drum up false faith isnt what's needed to make you rich. I heard one of these pastors say that some of his people who were not getting wealthier just didnt have enough faith.
I know a man who keeps on repeating"I have to have more faith so I can get a new house".
The Bible in the gospels is full of parables regarding misplaced faith. Having faith in God is one thing. Having faith in yourself & trying to strum up more, is faith in yourself to have enough faith. It is misplaced faith when it is faith in yourself to have enough faith.
All you need is a little bit of faith, it's God that performs the miracles. If these teachings were infalllible, then the most spiritual word of faith movement folks are the richest ones.
Sure God wants us to prosper, but are we to judge the poor as having little faith?
AS a general message it is Biblical.
But the Bible also says God is a jealous God. Does that mean our being jealous is pleasing to God? NO. It shows you take anything & make it sound scriptural if it tickles your ears.
 
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Oooo... faith is another thread/forum on it's own. But let's talk about faith in the context of prosperity.

Matthew 17:20
He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you."

What Jesus was saying here, if you had only a tiny bit of faith, and you believed in it with all your heart, and you KNEW that what you said was possible, then you CAN move a mountain!

Try it right now. Try and move your computer screen 10 inches to the right just by saying so! How much faith do you have to move it? Am I saying that you have no faith? NO! Because there is another important aspect to faith. That is the will and purpose of God.

You only need to speak in faith and it WILL be done through the Holy Spirity. But what are you speaking? Are you speaking from your own heart's desires, or are you speaking the will and purpose of God? Do you pray and ask for a big house... is that the will of God that you have a big house? Will it further God's kingdom in you having a big house?

Be prosperous. Have God's kingdom in the front of your mind, in all that you do, and all that you work for, and one day you will find that you're living in that big house, and having that nice car and earning those $$$... You see, God will provide for you, but you need to think outside the small square that you're living in, and know that God has big plans for your life WHEN you do walk the path that he has for you. A path that leads to prosperity and wealth, both material and spiritual.
 
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Originally posted by StogusMaximus



Since when has God required money to accomplish anything?

Of couse God doesn't NEED money... but WE DO! Not saying that we should be grubbnig for every last cent, but while we are not of the world, we are still living in the world, and money is what makes this world go 'round. Let's see how far you can spread the gospel with no money at all!

God doesn't need money, but He uses us to do his work in this world for Him... Through us, and through the money we earn and give.
 
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