Angle: Muslim law taking hold in some US Cities

Yusuf Evans · Oct 8, 2010

I chuckled when I read this, since there is no city under complete Shari'a law and not adhering to the US Constitution.

Angle: Muslim law taking hold in parts of US - Yahoo! News

revanneosl · Oct 8, 2010

This is but one of the many ways in which Sharron Angle is delusional.

Supreme · Oct 8, 2010

Do you know what? I'm sick and tired of hearing this nonsense about Islamic law taking effect, and Muslims taking control- partly because it's nonsense, but mostly because it spreads fear and hatred. Even here in the UK, where our Muslim population is even smaller that it is in America, you get the same nonsense, spouted by the EDL, BNP and Anjem Choudary's group of Islamist clowns, for towns like Bradford, where the Muslim population is still in a small minority of 16%. Muslims aren't imposing Sharia, and the sooner the far right gets to grips with that, the better.

Also, comparing 9/11 to the Holocaust is just nonsense. The plight of 6 million by a totalitarian state is not comparable to the plight of 3,000 in a terrorist atrocity.

Supreme · Oct 8, 2010

People still fail to realize that most Muslims come to the West to flee the barbarity of Sharia Law, not to impose it.

soblessed53 · Oct 8, 2010

Supreme said:
People still fail to realize that most Muslims come to the West to flee the barbarity of Sharia Law, not to impose it.

So are you claiming that all those news reports and videos of Muslims DEMANDING Sharia law in the UK and other countries are all lies and the videos are STAGED/FAKED?

Plus you are accusing Nonie Darwish, Brigette Gabriel,Wahlid Shoebat, Ibbin Waraq, Bilquis Sheikh and all these who are proud to be called Apostates against Islam, LIARS?

Because they ALL warn that is the EXACT goal of Islam and establishing a worldwide caliphate!

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/apostates.htm

http://britanniaradio.blogspot.com/2009/03/worth-watching-to-have-better.html

Nathan Poe · Oct 8, 2010

soblessed53 said:
So are you claiming that all those news reports and videos of Muslims DEMANDING Sharia law in the UK and other countries are all lies and the videos are STAGED/FAKED?

Plus you are accusing Nonie Darwish, Brigette Gabriel,Wahlid Shoebat, Ibbin Waraq, Bilquis Sheikh and all these who are proud to be called Apostates against Islam LIARS? Because they ALL warn that is the EXACT goal of Islam and establishing a worldwide caliphate!

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/apostates.htm

Interesting -- you don't like or trust a word of what Muslims say unless they're telling you what you want to hear -- then it's gospel that speaks on behalf of all Muslims everywhere.

Supreme · Oct 8, 2010

So are you claiming that all those news reports and videos of Muslims DEMANDING Sharia law in the UK and other countries are all lies and the videos are STAGED/FAKED?

Nope. A lot of those Muslims are either converts or second generation Muslims (ie their parents fled to the West), and who have never lived under under Sharia style government in their lives, and therefore do not know how horrible it can be.

Plus you are accusing Nonie Darwish, Brigette Gabriel,Wahlid Shoebat, Ibbin Waraq, Bilquis Sheikh and all these who are proud to be called Apostates against Islam LIARS? Because they ALL warn that is the EXACT goal of Islam and establishing a worldwide caliphate!

I'm not calling anyone a liar. Islam ideally wants to establish a worldwide Caliphate. But lots of Muslims don't. If they did, they would first start with their own countries, which would surely be more logical and easier than trying to so in the West.

soblessed53 · Oct 8, 2010

Nathan Poe said:
Interesting -- you don't like or trust a word of what Muslims say unless they're telling you what you want to hear -- then it's gospel that speaks on behalf of all Muslims everywhere.

UH,I believe APOSTATES are considered EX-MUSLIMS,right? :doh:

Yusuf Evans · Oct 8, 2010

soblessed53 said:
UH,I believe APOSTATES are considered EX-MUSLIMS,right?

No, they are not. Not everyone who is declared an Apostate used to be a Muslim. I would be declared an Apostate in Islam, because I'm a Muslim in the United States Army; an Army that is currently seen as invaders fighting the Mujahideen. Apostates' are declared enemies of Islam, not simply ex Muslims.

Yusuf Evans · Oct 8, 2010

Supreme said:
I'm not calling anyone a liar. Islam ideally wants to establish a worldwide Caliphate. But lots of Muslims don't. If they did, they would first start with their own countries, which would surely be more logical and easier than trying to so in the West.

The problem isn't Muslims don't want a Muslim nation. The problem is that there is so much dissidence and turmoil within the Ummah, and Muslim leaders can't agree on anything. Imagine the United States or the UK trying to establish a Christian nation, but there's constant disagreement between Protestants and Catholics and the other denominations within Christianity.

canukian · Oct 8, 2010

so if you were gathering inteligence for your brothers, you would still be an apostate?

Yusuf Evans · Oct 8, 2010

canukian said:
so if you were gathering inteligence for your brothers, you would still be an apostate?

Being that I'm not gathering intelligence for those nutjobs, I'd say yeah I'd be considered an apostate. A non-Muslim captured in the battlefield has a better chance at living than I do, that's for sure.

Phinehas2 · Oct 8, 2010

Supreme,

Do you know what? I'm sick and tired of hearing this nonsense about Islamic law taking effect, and Muslims taking control- partly because it's nonsense, but mostly because it spreads fear and hatred. Even here in the UK, where our Muslim population is even smaller that it is in America, you get the same nonsense, spouted by the EDL, BNP and Anjem Choudary's group of Islamist clowns, for towns like Bradford, where the Muslim population is still in a small minority of 16%. Muslims aren't imposing Sharia, and the sooner the far right gets to grips with that, the better.

I think that’s mostly delusion. Firstly, and sadly, the EDL and BNP and some Muslim groups are stirring up hatred, that’s true. But proportionally Muslims have a greater presence in the UK than in the US and the democratic system should allow the contribution of Muslims in commerce, politics and public life to influence UK law, so the elements of sharia can be incorporated into UK law. That is something that should be very interesting because many UK laws are being changed away from their Christian basis contrary to Christian values, and nor do these new laws reflect Sharia. In the meantime Muslims are teaching their children Islam and sharia law at home, quite contrary to UK values and so too are Christians teaching their children Christian values increasingly contrary to UK values.
I was interested in the secular liberal reaction of an interviewer on TV recently to Baroness Wasi’s support for faith community work across the country, its ok so long as the faith communities meet certain specific requirements the liberals are interested in.
Sadly this is the narrow minded confusion I think the liberal party in the UK coalition will cause to disrupt even what the Tories try and do in some sort of balance for a ‘bigger’ society.

Phinehas2 · Oct 8, 2010

Nathan Poe,

Interesting -- you don't like or trust a word of what Muslims say unless they're telling you what you want to hear -- then it's gospel that speaks on behalf of all Muslims everywhere.

I would say thats evidently not the case, we trust one section of Muslims as opposed to the other because we see what the Quran says.

Supreme · Oct 8, 2010

Eazy E said:
The problem isn't Muslims don't want a Muslim nation. The problem is that there is so much dissidence and turmoil within the Ummah, and Muslim leaders can't agree on anything. Imagine the United States or the UK trying to establish a Christian nation, but there's constant disagreement between Protestants and Catholics and the other denominations within Christianity.

I'm in no doubt that if Muslims truly wanted a Caliphate, they could do it. They did so for hundreds of years, even with the present divisions of Arab/Kurd and Sunni/Shia. Right now, it seems that the Muslims who truly want an Islamic state are in the minority (with the majority being indifferent to such a political entity), and are not prepared to make compromises. Pan-Islamism may be a more prominent idea on the global stage now than it was a few decades ago, but it's no more realistic, achievable or even desirable for Muslim nations.

I think thats mostly delusion. Firstly, and sadly, the EDL and BNP and some Muslim groups are stirring up hatred, thats true. But proportionally Muslims have a greater presence in the UK than in the US and the democratic system should allow the contribution of Muslims in commerce, politics and public life to influence UK law, so the elements of sharia can be incorporated into UK law. That is something that should be very interesting because many UK laws are being changed away from their Christian basis contrary to Christian values, and nor do these new laws reflect Sharia. In the meantime Muslims are teaching their children Islam and sharia law at home, quite contrary to UK values and so too are Christians teaching their children Christian values increasingly contrary to UK values.
I was interested in the secular liberal reaction of an interviewer on TV recently to Baroness Wasis support for faith community work across the country, its ok so long as the faith communities meet certain specific requirements the liberals are interested in.
Sadly this is the narrow minded confusion I think the liberal party in the UK coalition will cause to disrupt even what the Tories try and do in some sort of balance for a bigger society.

I really don't know what to make at this post. First, you seem to be saying tha Sharia law is covertly making its way into Parliament, and then you say secularism really rules the country.

Catherineanne · Oct 8, 2010

Eazy E said:
The problem isn't Muslims don't want a Muslim nation. The problem is that there is so much dissidence and turmoil within the Ummah, and Muslim leaders can't agree on anything. Imagine the United States or the UK trying to establish a Christian nation, but there's constant disagreement between Protestants and Catholics and the other denominations within Christianity.

I hate to tell you this, but the UK is already a Christian nation, with an established Church; the Church of England. We are also very tolerant of diversity, and of people of other faiths, but the country is a Christian one.

You would seem to be about 400 years out of date on this one.

canukian · Oct 8, 2010

Eazy E said:
Being that I'm not gathering intelligence for those nutjobs, I'd say yeah I'd be considered an apostate. A non-Muslim captured in the battlefield has a better chance at living than I do, that's for sure.

like muhammid said, war is deception. muslims have the all clear to lie.

blueapplepaste · Oct 8, 2010

canukian said:
like muhammid said, war is deception. muslims have the all clear to lie.

Apparently some Christians feel they have the all clear to lie, too.

Gishin · Oct 8, 2010

canukian said:
like muhammid said, war is deception. muslims have the all clear to lie.

Denial and deception is a key component of war, and one the US employs to the fullest, as it should. We don't want the enemy to know as much as us.

But you seem to be implying something else. Why don't you spit it out?

canukian · Oct 8, 2010

Gishin said:
Denial and deception is a key component of war, and one the US employs to the fullest, as it should. We don't want the enemy to know as much as us.

But you seem to be implying something else. Why don't you spit it out?

muslims say there is the land of islam and the land of war. muslims say war will not end until the world is muslim. remember war is deception.

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