Burning of the Q'uoran, and Biblical perspectives...

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Oh, so all you have, then, is your statement that your claim is true. You cannot give me evidence beyond what you claim. Why should I believe you, then?

I never said "all muslims" would get angry, I only gave my opinion that the majority of moderates would get angry.

For your information, why would I try to want to troll a muslim or attempt to provoke a reaction from them at my work place? AT....MY....WORK....PLACE.

Are you dumb? Seriously.

Why I believe this? I've had some talks with Muslims at my work before, so I don't need to try. Just read the newspapers about Draw Mohammad Day and the Danish Cartoons.
 
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I never said "all muslims" would get angry, I only gave my opinion that the majority of moderates would get angry.
No you didn't. You claimed it was a violent religion:

Those nice moderates sure would become violent if you showed this picture to them: http://fredfred.net/skriker/images/fred/2006/other/muhammad_vs_jesus/m6.jpg



So much for a religion of peace and tolerance...

For your information, why would I try to want to troll a muslim or attempt to provoke a reaction from them at my work place? AT....MY....WORK....PLACE.
I don't know you. You could very well do that. But that's not the issue here. The issue is your making broad statements about Muslims and Islam and not providing any reasons for it.
Are you dumb? Seriously.
Cut the personal attacks. I made no assumptions about you and your work, so why should you make an assumption about my intelligence?

Why I believe this? I've had some talks with Muslims at my work before, so I don't need to try. Just read the newspapers about Draw Mohammad Day and the Danish Cartoons.
And FYI, I know plenty of Christians who would get violent if someone drew a degrading picture of Jesus. Does that make Christianity violent? No, it doesn't. And it certainly doesn't mean that most Christians are violent.
 
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Oh, so all you have, then, is your statement that your claim is true.
I can back it up from my experience and from teh Quran. What can you do?
Would you believe it if I gave you the Quran verses?

No you didn't. You claimed it was a violent religion:
Muslims are not a religion, they are adherants to a religion.

The issue is your making broad statements about Muslims and Islam and not providing any reasons for it.
I think the issue is plenty of evidence is being given to indicate Islam is a violent religion and the likes of yourself are merely rejecting it.

And FYI, I know plenty of Christians who would get violent if someone drew a degrading picture of Jesus. Does that make Christianity violent? No, it doesn't. And it certainly doesn't mean that most Christians are violent.
Except that Jesus says turn the other cheek and expect offense, so once again you cite Christians who arent behaving as Christians, whereas Islam does take offense according its scriptures.
 
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Jaws13,
I can back it up from my experience and from teh Quran. What can you do?
Would you believe it if I gave you the Quran verses?
No, because you are not a Muslim. You're not a imam. You are an American, who has a bias against Muslims due to a number of reasons. You can't accurately interpret the Quran. And even if you had stuff from Muslims saying X Y or Z about it, they wouldn't necessarily be an accurate reflection of what Islamic doctrine is, because just like in Christianity Islam has fringe groups, and the concepts you're talking about aren't essential doctrine.

Muslims are not a religion, they are adherants to a religion.
Read what you quote next time, because I didn't say Muslims are a religion.

I think the issue is plenty of evidence is being given to indicate Islam is a violent religion and the likes of yourself are merely rejecting it.
'The likes of yourself'? And what exactly am I like, and how does that have anything to do with this topic? If you can't keep to the issue, then I'm not particularly interested in discussing this with you. I'm not fond of being insulted by a random guy on the internet.

Except that Jesus says turn the other cheek and expect offense, so once again you cite Christians who arent behaving as Christians, whereas Islam does take offense according its scriptures.
According to your understanding of its scriptures.
 
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No you didn't. You claimed it was a violent religion:


Are you mentally challenged? Let's go over what I said:

"Those nice moderates sure would become violent if you showed this picture to them: http://fredfred.net/skriker/images/f...s_jesus/m6.jpg"

The remark about Muslims not being so peaceful after that picture awas obviously sarcastic. Sounds to me you mistook sarcasm for a claim.



Now, did I say "all" muslims are violent? Nope.
Did I claim that Islam is a religion of violence? Nope. Although, I personally feel it isn't quite a religion of peace either.
 
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Let's go over what I said:

"Those nice moderates sure would become violent if you showed this picture to them: http://fredfred.net/skriker/images/f...s_jesus/m6.jpg"

The remark about Muslims not being so peaceful after that picture awas obviously sarcastic. Sounds to me you mistook sarcasm for a claim.



Now, did I say "all" muslims are violent? Nope.
Did I claim that Islam is a religion of violence? Nope. Although, I personally feel it isn't quite a religion of peace either.
Yes, let's go over what you said:

"So much for a religion of peace and tolerance..."

Meaning it isn't peaceful, and isn't tolerant. Directly preceding this, you stated that Muslims get violent. You said it isn't peaceful, so by extension you're saying it's violent. So you're faced with two possibilities:

Either you misspoke and didn't mean what you said, or you meant it and didn't understand the implications of your statement. Or, of course, you could be trying to cover your real opinion but I rather doubt that would happen with a reasonable person like yourself.
 
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It was a sarcastic remark, but I do believe there is a greater inclination that a muslim may be incited to violence over something the link compared to someone from another faith.



I work with muslims and they are not violent and are nice. But if I ever showed them that picture or wore it on a t-shirt, ect, things generally would be different I believe.


For your information, people all over america and canada depict Jesus in evil ways (Take a television show like Family Guy for example) and I haven't seen one christian get upset over that. On the internet, I see memes like Raptor Jesus and artistic videos that potray him as a guy who takes pills and becomes drunk, and I saw not one christian get upset over that.



I had a muslim guy at work tell me that if I drew Mohammad in a bad way that other muslims would heard about it and track me down and eventually try to kill me.

But show Mohammad with a bomb for a turban and muslims may and probably will take great offense to that.
 
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It was a sarcastic remark, but I do believe there is a greater inclination that a muslim may be incited to violence over something the link compared to someone from another faith.
So you have a bias against them, then. Upon what basis? Anyone can be incited to violence, given the right circumstances. I daresay I could provoke you to attack me if I really cared to, if I knew you in real life. Just because someone can be provoked by hitting the right spot doesn't make them any less a person or any worse than we are.
 
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For your information, people all over america and canada depict Jesus in evil ways (Take a television show like Family Guy for example) and I haven't seen one christian get upset over that. On the internet, I see memes like Raptor Jesus and artistic videos that potray him as a guy who takes pills and becomes drunk, and I saw not one christian get upset over that.
Not publicly, because Christians complaining about people complaining about their religion isn't news. Politicians complaining about people complaining about them, that's news. Complaints don't get noticed. Christians do get upset, you don't hear about it because it's not drastic or extreme, and the ones you do hear about are rare. Media sells that which is sensational and that which confirms their own bias or that of the public.


I had a muslim guy at work tell me that if I drew Mohammad in a bad way that other muslims would heard about it and track me down and eventually try to kill me.

But show Mohammad with a bomb for a turban and muslims may and probably will take great offense to that.
So what, Christians are better because the news doesn't report them getting upset? Nobody cares unless it's something sensational and outrageous, like burning a holy text and flaming Muslims.

And even if you're right, like I said in another thread:

Who cares? Jesus still tells us to love our neighbor, and that is what we should be doing. Loving them. Welcoming them. Not whining about where they build their buildings.
 
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Every christian has a bias against Islam. Do not tell me that you do not. The bias is against them because they claim Jesus is a prophet and rose to heaven while denying the very point of our religion: That Jesus died for sins and rose from the dead to defeat death. John the apostle would have rolled in his grave over that. He called anyone who taught such things an anti-christ.


Besides, that isn't the point. When I see how Muslims world wide in Europe and the middle east react to the danish cartoons or how threats are made against people who want to draw mohammad (think South Park), it lights up red flags in my brain that a majority of muslims are very, very, very unhappy about Mohammad being drawn. When I have muslims---non violent ones who are nice----tell me I will probably get tracked down and killed for drawing Mohammad in a bad way, that lights up red flags too.

I see blasphemies committed all the time against Jesus and christianity, and sick and wrong potrayals too, yet I do not see one christian violently protesting it or threatening to kill anyone who does such things.
 
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So what, Christians are better because the news doesn't report them getting upset? Nobody cares unless it's something sensational and outrageous, like burning a holy text and flaming Muslims.


Not one christian I know----not one----would resort to violence in the name of christianity over bad potrayals of Jesus or our religion. In fact, it is either tolerated or accepted as a norm in society and just shrugged of usually, unless it has to do with a play about Jesus being a homosexual with twelve queer apostles. In that case, they would peacefully protest.


On the other hand, I am willing to believe that if I were to walk in to work with a picture of Mohammad with a bomb for a turban that I would be violently targeted by a muslim. It isn't that I believe that it they are less or worse, but I believe it is just a part of their culture to be inclined that way.
 
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