A Christian Muslim?

He's Coming Soon · Aug 13, 2010

tucker58 said:
Guys this is just an exploratory reality, ok?

If we took into account only what the Prophet Jesus said and only into account what the Prophet Muhammad said, "would it be possible for someone to be a Christian Muslim?"

I am still attempting to hunt common ground here just to see if there is any .

Everybody's input is welcome.

just love,

tuck

perhaps not in that order, however ... tho a Muslim must by definition remain as such from birth ~ some of us are destined to follow the Way, the Truth, and the Life; just as I was born American and although I have dual citizenship ... I cannot relinquish my foreign citizenship whether I want to or not. I am my father's daughter for life ~ Moslem although he is a believer also. If I am permitted to choose only one nationality, I am all-American, but universal first. I choose the path of the ineffable and unutterable NAME above every other. I serve the King of Kings ~ LORD Of LORDS
Like my savior, my heart is that circumcised heart of a Jew first ~ a true chip off the Olde Rock.
Love to you as well tuck, Karin Dayspring

tucker58 · Aug 13, 2010

razeontherock said:
Not so fast - there are Ba'hai here who challenge that notion. Maybe we'll get to see their rationale?

I agree. And everybody is welcome. Thank you for the wisdom of your post!

just love,

tuck

tucker58 · Aug 13, 2010

He's Coming Soon said:
perhaps not in that order, however ... tho a Muslim must by definition remain as such from birth ~ some of us are destined to follow the Way, the Truth, and the Life; just as I was born American and although I have dual citizenship ... I cannot relinquish my foreign citizenship whether I want to or not. I am my father's daughter for life ~ Moslem although he is a believer also. If I am permitted to choose only one nationality, I am all-American, but universal first. I choose the path of the ineffable and unutterable NAME above every other. I serve the King of Kings ~ LORD Of LORDS
Like my savior, my heart is that circumcised heart of a Jew first ~ a true chip off the Olde Rock.
Love to you as well tuck, Karin Dayspring

Karin, yours is a gift and a real reality. Welcome to this topic!

just love,

tuck

tucker58 · Aug 13, 2010

dlamberth said:
There are also non-Baha'i here who challenge that notion.

The rational? God is neither Christian NOR Muslim. Since He's neither one, a person can find God in both spiritual traditions. I know folks who are doing just that.

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proving that you are right in today's world is an interesting challenge. I personally do agree with you.

love,

tuck

Apodictic · Aug 13, 2010

Rosalila said:
Instead of answering my question you pointed out a technicality. So I'm going to assume that 'ee-sa' is not a translation of Jesus but a totally different name, as I suspected. That supports my view that the accounts from the Bible and the Qu'Ran are of two different people.

I can not speak for Ben, but here is a link that is readily available online regarding the etymology of the word.

Isa (name) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Though even if two completely unrelated names were used, it would be strange that both individuals exhibit specific commonalities that are unusual enough to make someone infer they are referring to the same person.

Think of it this way, apart from religious thought in simple terms:

If I go by Apodictic here yet go by another name, say as an example Bob, in real life, would it be logical for someone to question whether Bob and Apodictic are in fact the same person? Especially if someone were to document unique aspects of my life and attribute them under both designations.

If you read the passages relating to "Ee-sa" it does not take much for one to infer it is talking about the Biblical Jesus. Same person, yet disagreement over his crucifixion. Even if no one told you, it would certainly be inferred from the context.

However, we venture into the twilight zone arguing over author's intent. That is essential what this all boils down to. Even if the author writes the name "Jesus" they are required to have the intention of writing about a specific Jesus in order for it to "Be" that Jesus. Which leaves modern day people left to conjecture on the subject matter, as there is really no way to prove author's intent. Best we can do is suggest an intention that makes sense to ourselves or possibly others if one is concerned about being included in a larger group of thought.

Yusuf Evans · Aug 14, 2010

Rosalila said:
Instead of answering my question you pointed out a technicality. So I'm going to assume that 'ee-sa' is not a translation of Jesus but a totally different name, as I suspected. That supports my view that the accounts from the Bible and the Qu'Ran are of two different people.

No, it's the same person. Even Christ is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an as the son of Mary.

merryheart · Aug 14, 2010

tucker58 said:
Guys this is just an exploratory reality, ok?

If we took into account only what the Prophet Jesus said and only into account what the Prophet Muhammad said, "would it be possible for someone to be a Christian Muslim?"

I am still attempting to hunt common ground here just to see if there is any .

Everybody's input is welcome.

just love,

tuck

Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life - no one can get to the father except by me

Mohammad said that his words supersede the prophets who came before him and replace them

OTOH -Muslim *means* one who is submitted to Allah\God - a Christian may indeed make this claim. Christian *means* one who follows Jesus. - a Muslim may indeed be a follower of Jesus - and the Quran encourages a Muslim to do so

problematic - the Quran says that Jesus did not die on the cross. That Jesus is neither the son of God, nor a part of God.

JJWhite · Aug 14, 2010

merryheart said:
Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life - no one can get to the father except by me

Mohammad said that his words supersede the prophets who came before him and replace them

OTOH -Muslim *means* one who is submitted to Allah\God - a Christian may indeed make this claim. Christian *means* one who follows Jesus. - a Muslim may indeed be a follower of Jesus - and the Quran encourages a Muslim to do so

problematic - the Quran says that Jesus did not die on the cross. That Jesus is neither the son of God, nor a part of God.

absolutely LOVE your avatar!

merryheart · Aug 14, 2010

JJWhite said:
absolutely LOVE your avatar!

thankyou

Rosalila · Aug 15, 2010

Apodictic said:
I can not speak for Ben, but here is a link that is readily available online regarding the etymology of the word.

Isa (name) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Though even if two completely unrelated names were used, it would be strange that both individuals exhibit specific commonalities that are unusual enough to make someone infer they are referring to the same person.

Think of it this way, apart from religious thought in simple terms:

If I go by Apodictic here yet go by another name, say as an example Bob, in real life, would it be logical for someone to question whether Bob and Apodictic are in fact the same person? Especially if someone were to document unique aspects of my life and attribute them under both designations.

If you read the passages relating to "Ee-sa" it does not take much for one to infer it is talking about the Biblical Jesus. Same person, yet disagreement over his crucifixion. Even if no one told you, it would certainly be inferred from the context.

However, we venture into the twilight zone arguing over author's intent. That is essential what this all boils down to. Even if the author writes the name "Jesus" they are required to have the intention of writing about a specific Jesus in order for it to "Be" that Jesus. Which leaves modern day people left to conjecture on the subject matter, as there is really no way to prove author's intent. Best we can do is suggest an intention that makes sense to ourselves or possibly others if one is concerned about being included in a larger group of thought.

Eazy E said:
No, it's the same person. Even Christ is mentioned in the Holy Qur'an as the son of Mary.

^^Isn't it Miriam? Or is that, too, another form of Mary? lol

Thanks Apodictic. Now I see where 'Isa' comes from. I understand that they both refer to same person. What I should have said was that the two versions are more different than they are alike (I say this based on what I know Muslims believe VS what Christians believe and this is what makes me say they are two different people; not that they refer to different ppl but that if you line both accounts up, they can't both be true.). . .I've never read the Qu'rans account of Jesus but I'm assuming Jesus does not equate himself with God like he does in the Bible and that there are no references to him being God's son otherwise Muslims wouldn't refer to him as a 'great prophet'. The similarity probably ends with the miracles he performed. And you are most definitely right about authors intent. I think that's the culprit right there.

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