QuiltAngel
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I think the point that filo is making is that grapes are not the only fruit of the vine.
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I would like to know why the common cup. Seems like with H1N1 and such things, people would shrink back from that. I didn't read of Jesus doing any such thing... ??
Matt. 26:27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, Drink of it, all of you,
Matt. 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Matt. 26:29 I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Fathers kingdom. --ESV
We take from these verses that it is one cup.
The concerns regarding the common cup are fairly new. You can find research that supports both positions regarding transfer if disease. Some say it does, others say it does not. Many churches have gone with giving a choice. I much prefer the common cup.
One thing that I have learned in my class this summer is that with the advancement of processing foods, that our bodies have lost the need to fight off many infections. Our prof has talked about how in past times, we were able to fight off many more diseases naturally than we do now. I have found that interesting as well as explains why people shared things regarding food back then. They did not have the food storage like now, so were probably eating foods that contained bacteria, yet, since that was the norm, the digestic acids were able to neutralize and fight off those bacterias.
I know that in the Bible, wine is wine and not grape juice. I know the bread is unleavened (which I guess is a cracker). But how exactly did they eat it then? Was a chunk of bread passed around in the upper room that night and broken by each person? Or were chunks of already-broken bread passed around in a bowl? OR did Jesus break the chunk himself and pass it around? Does it matter?
I know we can be picky when it comes to wine; just wondered if it matters how and in what form we eat the bread. I'm sure there were no little round flat disks back then. Or little Chicklet-shaped pie crust pieces, in the case of Baptists.
I also wonder what you do if someone is allergic to grapes. My aunt goes into anaphylactic shock when consuming grapes in any form. What would the Lutheran church give her as an alternative? Dandelion wine or hard cider or something?
Just things I've been wondering.
It's a real long story.. The jist of it is that my friends are the ones that helped me accept Christ. Before they helped me, I was an atheist and did not want to have anything to do with God, but I changed the day I went to a church service for the first time since I was just three. After six months of learning, growing, and support from my friends, I accepted Christ as my Savior.
I believe that I cannot by my own reason or strength believe in Jesus Christ, my Lord, or come to Him; but the Holy Ghost has called me by the Gospel, enlightened me with His gifts, sanctified and kept me in the true faith; even as He calls, gathers, enlightens, and sanctifies the whole Christian Church on earth, and keeps it with Jesus Christ in the one true faith; in which Christian Church He forgives daily and richly all sins to me and all believers, and at the last day will raise up me and all the dead, and will give to me and to all believers in Christ everlasting life. This is most certainly true.
I've never heard of first communion at 3rd grade level at any Lutheran church. Breaking of bread for the kids? Are you Lutheran? As Aibrean mentioned there is no decision theology in the Lutheran church.Confirmed? Noo. Confirmation isn't done until the kids are at least 15, 16 years old. Usually around the junior high years in my church. If that's what you meant? I was just using the age of 9 as a wild example. That's never happened. First communion at my church is done for 3rd graders, so I guess around the age of 9, but it's different than confirmation. We separate the programs.
As for the parents breaking the bread for their kids, you know I've honestly only seen that happen at Christmas Eve services, and many people attending come from outside traditions, or no church at all. They probably didn't know. In any case, I'm sure my Pastor might have friendly mentioned something to the parents after the service, but it's not something he would stress over too much. Regularly during the year, I don't see it happen.
As for the parents breaking the bread for their kids, you know I've honestly only seen that happen at Christmas Eve services, and many people attending come from outside traditions, or no church at all. They probably didn't know. In any case, I'm sure my Pastor might have friendly mentioned something to the parents after the service, but it's not something he would stress over too much. Regularly during the year, I don't see it happen.
Why are you feeling attacked? We are not attacking you - we are telling you what the bible says about Communion and why our churches do what they do. Did you want us to pretend that what your church is doing is right? It has nothing to do with your church doing things differently...but it has everything to do with how God wants things done.Sorry you all feel that way but seeing as I'm feeling attacked here, as well as my own church, I'll take my thoughts somewhere else. Thanks. Just because someone does something differently doesn't make them wrong and certainly not a sinner. I would never flat out call anyone a sinner just because they do something differently. That is up for God to decide. Not us.
And Aib, I'm well aware of that. I wrote that years ago and the fact is that he is in my heart now, and I know that he loves me. That's the important thing and the way I came to Christ has nothing to do with this.