Benny Hinn and dateline
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I can see an opportunity here, to talk to people about God. We don't know how God uses people, we think we do, but we don't know it all. Perhaps you know someone that saw this program and now is your chance to speak. God is at work and I trust Him and His promise that nothing will prevail against us, nothing.
Think of how you can use this situation for His purpose, that is our role in this.
Here is another benefit: We are from many backgrounds and denominations but this issue brings us together, even if it's out of a sense of outrage. What will it take for God to move us together? How do we know how to frame this issue? Is God moving here? Perhaps?
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Think of how you can use this situation for His purpose, that is our role in this.
Here is another benefit: We are from many backgrounds and denominations but this issue brings us together, even if it's out of a sense of outrage. What will it take for God to move us together? How do we know how to frame this issue? Is God moving here? Perhaps?
Blessings
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God definitely moves in these forums. People may not be getting baptized in water nor in Holy Spirit, but I assure you, people think here. Period. No matter what their preconceptions were coming in.
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Showing Hinn to be a fraud and not what Christians are about may indeed bring in souls: It depends on who does the work.
For instance, if a Christian group finds the final straw, the absolute proof that he is indeed a fraud, and is willing to go public with it, then many people may see that Christians are concerned with truth and that they are not simply interested in covering for frauds and abusers. Or it may have no effect at all on anyone.
A good example would be the Mike Warnke expose (a friend of mine likes the Cornerstone site and pointed me to another article on the site, and I read the Warnke expose while I was there) If Mr. Warnke at that time were allowed to keep practicing fraud-who is to say how many souls would have been harmed? Although Warnke's back in business now, that article did encourage some reforms.
As Christians, we have to come to terms with the truth that problems swept under the rug do not go away and do not save souls. We need to see that the embarrassment and temporary pain of debunking a con artist or excommunicating a heretic is bad, but it is much better than the alternative: Waiting and covering up until the problem explodes onto the public consciousness leaving much spiritual damage in its wake.
For instance, if a Christian group finds the final straw, the absolute proof that he is indeed a fraud, and is willing to go public with it, then many people may see that Christians are concerned with truth and that they are not simply interested in covering for frauds and abusers. Or it may have no effect at all on anyone.
A good example would be the Mike Warnke expose (a friend of mine likes the Cornerstone site and pointed me to another article on the site, and I read the Warnke expose while I was there) If Mr. Warnke at that time were allowed to keep practicing fraud-who is to say how many souls would have been harmed? Although Warnke's back in business now, that article did encourage some reforms.
As Christians, we have to come to terms with the truth that problems swept under the rug do not go away and do not save souls. We need to see that the embarrassment and temporary pain of debunking a con artist or excommunicating a heretic is bad, but it is much better than the alternative: Waiting and covering up until the problem explodes onto the public consciousness leaving much spiritual damage in its wake.
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FYI. I feel that it's not really my place to say what Christians should or should not encourage. But, believe me, it totally turns me off to Christianity entirely when I see individuals like Benny Hinn. I think you (Christians) should speak out against him! He sets a bad example and unfortunately I have this little voice in my head that says "You see, God (if there is a God; I'm not really sure) is letting him get away with this stuff; can you believe it?". I know what you're going to say: He's not getting away with it, etc. But it's an instant reaction. Sorry.
Just had to get this off my chest. Thanks.
Just had to get this off my chest. Thanks.
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There is a point at which the concrete harms the man does by defrauding people merit some sort of constructive opposition. How that relates to larger questions about the nature and moral qualities of Christianity is another question.
Whenever I see him throwing the Holy Spirit at someone to heal them I can't help but think of children on a playground (playing superhero perhaps). Not the most serious criticism one could level at the guy, but that reaction seems to stick in my mind more than anything else. It's really quite remarkable in a sense to see adults using their imagination in such a way.
Whenever I see him throwing the Holy Spirit at someone to heal them I can't help but think of children on a playground (playing superhero perhaps). Not the most serious criticism one could level at the guy, but that reaction seems to stick in my mind more than anything else. It's really quite remarkable in a sense to see adults using their imagination in such a way.
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BTW, how would those of you who say we should leave Benny Hinn alone react if the investigations, rather than showing he is a fraud, showed that he is gay?
I dare say that we should treat allegations of fraud just as seriously as we would treat accusations of homosexuality. Maybe even more seriously, since people outside of this man's immediate friends and family are being hurt and the message of Christianity is being dragged through the mud.
I dare say that we should treat allegations of fraud just as seriously as we would treat accusations of homosexuality. Maybe even more seriously, since people outside of this man's immediate friends and family are being hurt and the message of Christianity is being dragged through the mud.
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Coupla points I would like to make on this. I believe the Bible warns of false prophets and also warns that by their fruit we shall now them. Personally I think he is a false prophet/charlatan, and I base this on several points in his ministry which cannot go unnoticed.
Before this documentary on NBC, Inside Edition (1993) had made a similar docummentary on him, and Larry King also interviewed him live on CNN, plus other exposes which have focused on his ministry. It is very myopic to claim that these are attacks on the Lord's annointed (a very misused cliche in my opinion) and discern with prayer and understanding to warn others of this kind of charlatan. Believe me he is not the only one.
Firstly, although some may disagree, I believe that to become a millionaire off preaching God's word is repulsive. I base this solely on Jesus and the apostolic church's record before us. Just think about Barnabas and how he wisely used his wealth. If you are receiving fees, etc for speaking, why can't he be accountable to his donors as other members of the ECFA(Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability) in the US, or those who are governed by the Charities Commission in the UK. What ever happened to "blessed are the meek" ?
I suppose this about sums him up for me.
Secondly, the healing ministry contained in the Bible was always in the open. Never in a confined area, and all who were present were healed when Jesus/apostles were near, with no relapses. I think of the Evander Holyfield hype about the heart. If one is truly annointed would not the spirit of God reveal to you that there was no issue with this in the first place? Also any conscientous bible student could show you that the healing part of ministry in apostolic times was as an authenticating gift to show that they were from God.
Jesus indeed used it to confirm his deity (John 20:30-31). But after these initial healings he performed no other such act, but than to heal the soldier's air hacked off by Peter in Gethsemane. Also note that Paul did not heal Epaphroditus (Phil 2:25-27) or Trophimus (2 Tim 4:20), even though he did have that gift, so what gives with the willy nilly healing on command in control environements? This is not to say that healing cannot be done in today, but do we really believe that such a gift can be commanded wholesale and one is always in tune with the will of God at these events? And worst of all one has to pay for it? Sheeshh
Lastly, my concern is more that Christianity is misrepresented here than attacking Benny Hinn, et al, I leave him/them to God, but in the meantime it is my Christian duty to teach truth and warn others using biblical principles. Such behaviour cannot go unchecked and for people who claim to be messengers of God, manipulating scripture and people in the proccess, smacks of spiritual abuse and it is our duty to teach correctly, "rightly dividing the word of truth".
We are so scared of judgement!! The bible warns us not to judge mailiciously but to judge, righteous judgement. To be discerning, to prove all things. It's about time we live up to what we believe and like the apostles before us expose the "Simon Magus's" and "vipers, pharisees and hypocrites" for who they are!!
"He must also have a good reputation with outsiders (the world), so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap."1 Timothy 3:7
A loving parent never allows their child to walk in the fire just to learn that they should never do it again.
God Bless
Dave
Before this documentary on NBC, Inside Edition (1993) had made a similar docummentary on him, and Larry King also interviewed him live on CNN, plus other exposes which have focused on his ministry. It is very myopic to claim that these are attacks on the Lord's annointed (a very misused cliche in my opinion) and discern with prayer and understanding to warn others of this kind of charlatan. Believe me he is not the only one.
Firstly, although some may disagree, I believe that to become a millionaire off preaching God's word is repulsive. I base this solely on Jesus and the apostolic church's record before us. Just think about Barnabas and how he wisely used his wealth. If you are receiving fees, etc for speaking, why can't he be accountable to his donors as other members of the ECFA(Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability) in the US, or those who are governed by the Charities Commission in the UK. What ever happened to "blessed are the meek" ?
I suppose this about sums him up for me.
Secondly, the healing ministry contained in the Bible was always in the open. Never in a confined area, and all who were present were healed when Jesus/apostles were near, with no relapses. I think of the Evander Holyfield hype about the heart. If one is truly annointed would not the spirit of God reveal to you that there was no issue with this in the first place? Also any conscientous bible student could show you that the healing part of ministry in apostolic times was as an authenticating gift to show that they were from God.
Jesus indeed used it to confirm his deity (John 20:30-31). But after these initial healings he performed no other such act, but than to heal the soldier's air hacked off by Peter in Gethsemane. Also note that Paul did not heal Epaphroditus (Phil 2:25-27) or Trophimus (2 Tim 4:20), even though he did have that gift, so what gives with the willy nilly healing on command in control environements? This is not to say that healing cannot be done in today, but do we really believe that such a gift can be commanded wholesale and one is always in tune with the will of God at these events? And worst of all one has to pay for it? Sheeshh
Lastly, my concern is more that Christianity is misrepresented here than attacking Benny Hinn, et al, I leave him/them to God, but in the meantime it is my Christian duty to teach truth and warn others using biblical principles. Such behaviour cannot go unchecked and for people who claim to be messengers of God, manipulating scripture and people in the proccess, smacks of spiritual abuse and it is our duty to teach correctly, "rightly dividing the word of truth".
We are so scared of judgement!! The bible warns us not to judge mailiciously but to judge, righteous judgement. To be discerning, to prove all things. It's about time we live up to what we believe and like the apostles before us expose the "Simon Magus's" and "vipers, pharisees and hypocrites" for who they are!!
"He must also have a good reputation with outsiders (the world), so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap."1 Timothy 3:7
A loving parent never allows their child to walk in the fire just to learn that they should never do it again.
God Bless
Dave
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Again, see the post regarding my aunt.
Did anyone see his episode Sunday night on TBN where he was TRYING to refute Dateline? I wasn't convinced. Besides, he claims that God told him NOT to go on NBC. Why would God not want someone to tell the truth (if Hinn is indeed telling the truth). Does His word not say "The truth shall set you free...?"
Did anyone see his episode Sunday night on TBN where he was TRYING to refute Dateline? I wasn't convinced. Besides, he claims that God told him NOT to go on NBC. Why would God not want someone to tell the truth (if Hinn is indeed telling the truth). Does His word not say "The truth shall set you free...?"
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God probably told Benny Hinn not to go on NBC because he (Benny) made such a fool of himself on HBO about a year ago.
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Cammie,
It aired Easter Sunday 2 years ago this Easter. It was called 'A question of miracles' or some such. It featured Hinn and some other guy, I think his name is Rienhold or something like that.
I couldn't find anything on HBO's website, the material doesn't go back that far. But it basically depicted Hinn and as a couple of twits. (His name isn't --I'm making that up because I can't remember what it is--but apparenly people have been trampled to death due to the hype at his events).
If you want, I found Hinn's rebuttal to HBO (probably about the same speed as his rebuttal to NBC)--and I can post that for you.
Michelle
It aired Easter Sunday 2 years ago this Easter. It was called 'A question of miracles' or some such. It featured Hinn and some other guy, I think his name is Rienhold or something like that.
I couldn't find anything on HBO's website, the material doesn't go back that far. But it basically depicted Hinn and as a couple of twits. (His name isn't --I'm making that up because I can't remember what it is--but apparenly people have been trampled to death due to the hype at his events).
If you want, I found Hinn's rebuttal to HBO (probably about the same speed as his rebuttal to NBC)--and I can post that for you.
Michelle
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I find if I watch the so called christians like Benny Hinn and Tbn and some of the other money grabbers I lose my faith.
If I can just look ahead and not watch everything going on around me then my faith is stronger.
I wonder if these people like Benny Hinn do more good or more harm?
If I can just look ahead and not watch everything going on around me then my faith is stronger.
I wonder if these people like Benny Hinn
do more good or more harm?
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Please, post the rebuttal. I'm DYING to hear it! Especially if it sounds like the bunk he was spouting off Sunday about NBC's special.
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Just for the record, the very first sentence of his rebuttal isn't true. IIRC, the show did NOT indicate that there was no God or that miracles couldn't happen...
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