Boy! I Never had nude models when I was 14

jmverville said:

I am a male and I associate nudity with sex. Probably because sex involves genitals that normally are clothed. Perhaps if I walked around naked all day long with other nude people I would lose such a context.

We are animals, are we not? No

We evolved, did we not? No

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JM.

These are the very reasons we in America are so hooked on inappropriate contentography.

God did not create us to be so driven by our sexual lusts. This is the lie the enemy wants us to believe and unfortunately the church perpetuates.



This site will give you another way to view the human body instead of the inappropriate contentographic way you currently do. I do not mean to be singleing you out this is the view most of America and the Chuch has and is at the root of the prude -inappropriate content myth.

God did not create man to be controlled by an outside source (lust)
Christ speaking Mark 7:20He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' 21For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.' "

If you will notice most of the sins are of a sexual nature. We are to choose how we respond not the other way around.

To get to the answer of the OP. Yes I would allow my children to attend the class. I hope if the need arises (pun) they will be able to tell that randy boyfriend "put that away" I am saving myself for my husband and you just flunked out.

"Originally Posted by wanderingone
Do I want my daughter drawing a "phallus"? she's drawn a penis, she doesn't find men appealing so I'd say it didn't trouble me much... the first time she drew a nude male she said she giggled and had to leave the room and compose herself but then she was okay.."

Typical response: The important part is she composed herself and was okay. She is now the wiser and better equipped for standing up for herself when dating. No more shame and facination.

BTW JANE : Awsome post.?

Albert Einstein once said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.

Is this not what we do by continuing to keep our Christian Kids in the dark regarding the body and appropriate sexual feelings.

Nice post, Photo. Kind of raising the dead though, doncha think? (Welcome to CF by the way)

i am sickened and disgusted by those who think that nudity is vile.

The nude figure is one of the most beautiful objects in this world.

Washington said:

Came across this interesting little offering from the University of the Arts in Philadelphia.

2008 - 2009 Pre-College Saturday School

The Pre-College Saturday School at The University of the Arts has been providing quality arts education to Philadelphia area students for more than 100 years.​

About the Pre-College Saturday School: The Pre-College Saturday School at The University of the Arts offers college-level courses designed specifically for high school students in grades 9 through 12. Courses are offered in fine arts, crafts, design, media, writing, and communication.​

Nude Models
Many of the Pre-College Saturday School courses use nude models to help students build a strong foundation of observational skills. Students should anticipate the use of nude models in the following courses: Drawing I, Drawing II, Painting I, Painting II, Portfolio Preparation, Figure Drawing, Figure Sculpture, and Watercolor Painting. Students are expected to behave with maturity and professionalism in the presence of a model.​

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So, what do you think: would you allow your 14 yo daughter to gaze at a naked man, or let your son carefully look over a naked woman?

Appropriate offering for kids this age or not?

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Sure, why not?

Context is everything. I assume your concern is allowing young people to look at the nude form for sexual reasons... let me tell you as someone who has experienced both sides of the canvass, modeling or drawing nudes in a studio environment is about the most thoroughly clinical experience I have ever had outside of, well, a clinic.

LightHorseman said:

Sure, why not?

Context is everything. I assume your concern is allowing young people to look at the nude form for sexual reasons... let me tell you as someone who has experienced both sides of the canvass, modeling or drawing nudes in a studio environment is about the most thoroughly clinical experience I have ever had outside of, well, a clinic.

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^^ That.

MoonLancer said:

i am sickened and disgusted by those who think that nudity is vile.

The nude figure is one of the most beautiful objects in this world.

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I hope this post was intended to be dripping with irony and sarcasm .

Washington said:

Came across this interesting little offering from the University of the Arts in Philadelphia.

2008 - 2009 Pre-College Saturday School

The Pre-College Saturday School at The University of the Arts has been providing quality arts education to Philadelphia area students for more than 100 years.​

About the Pre-College Saturday School: The Pre-College Saturday School at The University of the Arts offers college-level courses designed specifically for high school students in grades 9 through 12. Courses are offered in fine arts, crafts, design, media, writing, and communication.​

Nude Models
Many of the Pre-College Saturday School courses use nude models to help students build a strong foundation of observational skills. Students should anticipate the use of nude models in the following courses: Drawing I, Drawing II, Painting I, Painting II, Portfolio Preparation, Figure Drawing, Figure Sculpture, and Watercolor Painting. Students are expected to behave with maturity and professionalism in the presence of a model.​

source​

So, what do you think: would you allow your 14 yo daughter to gaze at a naked man, or let your son carefully look over a naked woman?

Appropriate offering for kids this age or not?

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Where did you think secularism was going to lead us? Ceratinly not to "old fashion" morality being prevalent.

Think of the metaphor of Sodom and Gomorrah and contemplate how they got that way?

Education maybe?

Washington said:

Came across this interesting little offering from the University of the Arts in Philadelphia.

2008 - 2009 Pre-College Saturday School​

The Pre-College Saturday School at The University of the Arts has been providing quality arts education to Philadelphia area students for more than 100 years.​

About the Pre-College Saturday School: The Pre-College Saturday School at The University of the Arts offers college-level courses designed specifically for high school students in grades 9 through 12. Courses are offered in fine arts, crafts, design, media, writing, and communication.​

Nude Models
Many of the Pre-College Saturday School courses use nude models to help students build a strong foundation of observational skills. Students should anticipate the use of nude models in the following courses: Drawing I, Drawing II, Painting I, Painting II, Portfolio Preparation, Figure Drawing, Figure Sculpture, and Watercolor Painting. Students are expected to behave with maturity and professionalism in the presence of a model.​

source​

So, what do you think: would you allow your 14 yo daughter to gaze at a naked man, or let your son carefully look over a naked woman?

Appropriate offering for kids this age or not?

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No, I feel it is out of place to expose pre college age students to live nude models. Observational skills are built through the observation of anything, not just nude humans. Nothing wrong with pets and animals. And I would not be against young students viewing completed sculptures and paintings of nudes, as long as such were not of a blatant erotic nature.

I'm not opposed to nude models, I just feel that such exposure should be a slow introduction process and for only those who are in the pursuit of a fine arts career ------------ not just displays of nudity...

You guys do realize that by the time a kid is fourteen in our culture, they've probably already seen a naked body? Whether in a movie, or online, or experimenting with their boy/girlfriend, odds are the intimate bits of the human body are no strangers to them. And of course, everyone knows what their own gender looks like naked. Whether you like today's culture or not, you can't really disagree with this.

What's wrong with introducing them to the human form in a safe, respectful environment where it is treated as a thing of beauty and study? Besides, any serious artist will tell you that pets, animals, and paintings can't hold a candle to reality. An art student must be a student of anatomy too, because the curves and shapes that make the human body are not at all intuitive. If you want to be able to draw humans realistically, the best way to learn is with live, probably nude models. And, as with anything, the sooner you learn, the better.

Jade Margery said:

You guys do realize that by the time a kid is fourteen in our culture, they've probably already seen a naked body? Whether in a movie, or online, or experimenting with their boy/girlfriend, odds are the intimate bits of the human body are no strangers to them. And of course, everyone knows what their own gender looks like naked. Whether you like today's culture or not, you can't really disagree with this.

What's wrong with introducing them to the human form in a safe, respectful environment where it is treated as a thing of beauty and study? Besides, any serious artist will tell you that pets, animals, and paintings can't hold a candle to reality. An art student must be a student of anatomy too, because the curves and shapes that make the human body are not at all intuitive. If you want to be able to draw humans realistically, the best way to learn is with live, probably nude models. And, as with anything, the sooner you learn, the better.

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Folks, I was a fine art student. I'm no prude; however, I would totally question a naive opinion that Life Drawing class is a respectful environment, as I would question the use of human cadavers in an 8th grade biology class for dissection.

The vast majority of such students will never be doctors or nurses and human body parts would end up in someone's locker or desk.

I heard the jokes regarding a model's ski slope breasts or a hairy ape man's poker. This was in a college setting. Sorry, but I feel that there are far better ways to introduce young boys & girls to drawing...

Wiccan_Child said:

I hope this post was intended to be dripping with irony and sarcasm .

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Nope. I have taken lots of art history, and figure drawing. I have a degree in fine arts. Its horrible the way some people perverse the human body as some cheap sex toy. the nude body is a beautiful thing. certainly figure drawling is not for ever 14 year old, but then again nether is art in general.

LittleNipper said:

Observational skills are built through the observation of anything, not just nude humans.

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True, observation is a skill, but one also needs knowledge to draw from (pun). the ability to render the human form doesn't come from observing pots as you try to claim. While rendering pots and other still lifes does help understand spacial relationships it still doesent help understand the human anatomy.


Classes like these give aspiring artists the chance to fully realize the human figure in all its glory. I am saddened that you would try to deny them that.

Polycarp_fan said:

Where did you think secularism was going to lead us? Ceratinly not to "old fashion" morality being prevalent.

Think of the metaphor of Sodom and Gomorrah and contemplate how they got that way?

Education maybe?

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Education was not what caused Sodom and Gomorrah. It was a total lack of regard for the Creator and his views and laws. Man was left to his own devices. Man has a choice. I choose to view the body, the Creators Image as he intended "Naked and Unashamed".

WE ARE THE IMAGE BEARERS OF OUR CREATOR AS HIS TEMPLE.

We should keep this in mind and not call that which is "very good" Evil

Nude is not Rude, Crude or Lewd unless made so by the mind or actions.

Only a dirty mind sees the simple nude body as created in a sinful light.

With regard to a 14 year old... Do we expect the to all of a sudden at 18 be Wise as Solomon? If we don't properly educate at home and through experience. They are doomed to continue to make the same mistakes society expects them to make.

MoonLancer said:

Nope. I have taken lots of art history, and figure drawing. I have a degree in fine arts. Its horrible the way some people perverse the human body as some cheap sex toy. the nude body is a beautiful thing. certainly figure drawling is not for ever 14 year old, but then again nether is art in general.

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I simply found it odd that you would react with such vitriol at someone's subjective opinion on the aesthetic appeal of the nude form. If someone preferred realism to cubism, would you equally lambaste them?
I know how it sounds, but I'm not attacking you. I just... didn't expect that.

Wiccan_Child said:

I simply found it odd that you would react with such vitriol at someone's subjective opinion on the aesthetic appeal of the nude form. If someone preferred realism to cubism, would you equally lambaste them?
I know how it sounds, but I'm not attacking you. I just... didn't expect that.

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oh i see now why you think its ironic

No i am against those who would move to ban nude art or prevent people from viewing/creating such art.

They can dislike nude art, but i draw the line (another pun) with they wish to stop young artists from learning about the human body because it offends them.

I view the nude figure as the keystone of art along with the Bauhaus movement. So i find it hard to swollow that some oppose the nude figure due to artistic reasons or subjective reasons. They do so for dogmatic and religious reasons. or because nudity makes them uncomfortable. reasons that should not even be considered when dealing with art.

well, if you're a ten year old prodigy who knows astro-physics, caculous, advanced metaphysics, and organic chemistry, whats a nude model going to do to screw with your mind other than the fact that you're unable to relate to anyone your own age? lol

Washington said:

Came across this interesting little offering from the University of the Arts in Philadelphia.

2008 - 2009 Pre-College Saturday School

The Pre-College Saturday School at The University of the Arts has been providing quality arts education to Philadelphia area students for more than 100 years.​

About the Pre-College Saturday School: The Pre-College Saturday School at The University of the Arts offers college-level courses designed specifically for high school students in grades 9 through 12. Courses are offered in fine arts, crafts, design, media, writing, and communication.​

Nude Models
Many of the Pre-College Saturday School courses use nude models to help students build a strong foundation of observational skills. Students should anticipate the use of nude models in the following courses: Drawing I, Drawing II, Painting I, Painting II, Portfolio Preparation, Figure Drawing, Figure Sculpture, and Watercolor Painting. Students are expected to behave with maturity and professionalism in the presence of a model.​

source​

So, what do you think: would you allow your 14 yo daughter to gaze at a naked man, or let your son carefully look over a naked woman?

Appropriate offering for kids this age or not?

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I don't see this as an issue what-so-ever. The problem here is that society generally would have an issue with it. One must ask..."why?". I can guarantee one thing...when my son turns 14 he'll be thinking about naked women...regardless of whether or not he actually sees one in an art class!

CC

Polycarp_fan said:

Where did you think secularism was going to lead us? Ceratinly not to "old fashion" morality being prevalent.

Think of the metaphor of Sodom and Gomorrah and contemplate how they got that way?

Education maybe?

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Yeah... because there have never been nudes in art before the advent of secularism.

chingchang said:

I don't see this as an issue what-so-ever. The problem here is that society generally would have an issue with it. One must ask..."why?". I can guarantee one thing...when my son turns 14 he'll be thinking about naked women...regardless of whether or not he actually sees one in an art class!

CC

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Indeed. Check out the locker room of any highschool... I promise you that 14 year old boys are ALREADY drawing the nude female form, whether from life or imagination.