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Excuse me? any Christian can discipline me if I am in the wrong. they do not need a church to do it.

Really? How does an individual Christian practice church discipline?

In a nutshell, I do not feel I am brave enough to go before God and tell him he screwed up when I was baptised at age 4 weeks, which is what would be required of me to do in order to join this congregation. I also do not feel that I should go thru a ritual that for me would be a sham because I do not believe in re-baptism.

OK. So then, the problem is not with the church's doctrine, but with your refusal to be obedient to the word of God's command to be baptised.

I have to wonder if you meet the Biblical qualifications for baptism.

You still haven't shown that it does.

Evidently, I did because you got pretty upset when I pointed it out to you.
 
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Hey it's the guy who isn't citing his points and doing research again!

Hey, it's the really rude kid who the moderators keep allowing to flame me again!

Not only that, but this is a big-time derailment of a thread about a church asking about attending church to bashing a church that you simply don't like.

Really? What church did I "bash"?

And you have yet to defend your earlier points of saying that it is unbiblical to not attend a local church and be on the membership rolls.

She knows I did.

I have a hard time believing that all of the Christians in the world who worship Christ but do not attend church are being unbiblical, especially those in countries where Christianity is suppressed.

Then you don't know the Bible.
 
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JohnDeeredFan seems to think that a man-made, religious, institutional church organization is the sum total of a biblically sanctioned local church.

I'm just going by what the Bible describes as the local church.

Therefore I'm assuming that you don't care that most of us can't legitimately take you seriously, at least, those of us who have never seen your biblical defense for your position.

You're absolutely right. I could not care in the slightest that a bunch of liberals don't believe me.

Frankly, I say it's a good thing that some of you aren't church members.
 
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I haven't been to church much in the last coupla years. Starting to get out of my funk and am looking again. The problem is, during my hiatus, I took time to read the bible, pray, study early church fathers, and pray again. What I see as passing as the "church" today isn't something that I recognize as coming from the bible. I don't recall the bible telling us to build huge buildings to make us more comfortable. I don't recall the bible telling us to be comfortable at all.

To John Deere, the bible tells us to meet with other Christians. It doesn't say sit in a pew and listen to someone who may or may not have been called by God to preach. During the early years of Christianity, Christians were persecuted. They didn't meet publicly, and there was no traveling preacher circuit. They came together as equals, for worshipping Christ, for strengthening their faith, for fellowship. It wasn't until after the 300's that they could actually practice their faith in public without fear of persecution.

As to membership, it means nothing except to add your name to an accounting role. I know in one denomination I used to be a member of, the preacher's salary was based on the number of "members". If you are committed to Christ, through the body of believers, then that's the "membership" you need.
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OK. So then, the problem is not with the church's doctrine, but with your refusal to be obedient to the word of God's command to be baptised.


No, it is this chuch's doctrine on baptism that I do not agree with. I have been baptised and I have confirmed that baptism by my own words and actions.


I have to wonder if you meet the Biblical qualifications for baptism.

Keep wondering then, you seem to be good at it.

Evidently, I did because you got pretty upset when I pointed it out to you.

The only thing that has "upset" me in this coversation is your attitude. You claim things and when asked for the proof you deflect. Which to many means you have no proof. Either put up or shut up.
 
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No, it is this chuch's doctrine on baptism that I do not agree with. I have been baptised and I have confirmed that baptism by my own words and actions.

If you were "baptised" as a baby, that isn't Biblical baptism and the church has every right to expect you to be baptised.

The only thing that has "upset" me in this coversation is your attitude. You claim things and when asked for the proof you deflect. Which to many means you have no proof. Either put up or shut up.

And when I did "put up", you ignored it.

I'd still like for you to explain how an individual can exercise church discipline.
 
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She knows that I cited several verses and passages for her.

Um...yes I did and she knows that I did because she and another poster responded to them.

I just went thru all 11+ pages of this thread and found that you cited 1 verse about meeting together. Nowhere have you given several verses to support your position on membership or shown where the requirements for it are spelled out in the Bible.

And since you haven't cited "several verses" how could I or anyone else have possibly responded to them?
 
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I've just been back through all the posts and I can see only one scripture ref that you've given...from Corinthians, and that scripture doesn't seem particularly conclusive on the subject of being a member of a church, as opposed to merely gathering together.
We really need more scripture refs to discuss this further.
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If you've been in this thread since the beginning, then you know that I'm talking about another thread where I explained this to her in great detail.

Show me where. I can recall only one other thread I have been on with you and I don't recall it having anything to do with church membership.

If it happened you must have made quite an impression. (where's the eyeroll smiley when you really need it?)
 
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Show me where. I can recall only one other thread I have been on with you and I don't recall it having anything to do with church membership.

If it happened you must have made quite an impression. (where's the eyeroll smiley when you really need it?)

I must have made an impression, given how upset you and the other poster got about it.
 
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