Hey guys, help me summarize

Danyc · Feb 11, 2009

Mr Cleaver said:
Dealt with all of it, read my sig.

Wait, evolution is atheistic?

But I'm a Christian...

God has revealed to me, to us, through his Creation that he created us through evolution...

Does this mean that I'm an atheist?

AV1611VET · Feb 11, 2009

Danyc said:
Wait, evolution is atheistic?

But I'm a Christian...

God has revealed to me, to us, through his Creation that he created us through evolution...

Does this mean that I'm an atheist?

Have you compared what He [supposedly] said through Creation, with what He documented?

Nathan Poe · Feb 11, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Have you compared what He [supposedly] said through Creation, with what He documented?

Creation is His document, AV -- learn that before you attempt to talk on our level.

AV1611VET · Feb 11, 2009

Nathan Poe said:
Creation is His document, AV -- learn that before you attempt to talk on our level.

Is that a YES or a NO?

Nathan Poe · Feb 11, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Is that a YES or a NO?

It's a YES, AV -- We've compared Creation to what God has irrefutably documented, and found them to be one and the same.

Naraoia · Feb 11, 2009

Mr Cleaver said:
Don't mind her they (evolutionists) get like that when they see those two words together, "real science", 'cos they ain't got any.

That might have been vaguely witty if you had any support for it.

Mr Cleaver said:
Dealt with all of it, read my sig.

The link is about endogenous retroviruses. Most endogenous retroviruses are not adaptive. Is there something in your signature that I haven't noticed?

Split Rock · Feb 11, 2009

Mr Cleaver said:
So I can't use my hands? What about my teeth?

Go ahead and bite into a coconut... I dare you.

Mr Cleaver said:
Real science = observe, rigorously and repeatedly test..... and demonstrate.

See: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/

Mr Cleaver said:
Think..... Coconut, hand, rock, hit, eat. Yummy.

Go ahead and give it a try. Tell us how easy it was.

Either you do not understand the banana argument, or you are being purposely obtuse, as a debate tactic. I vote the latter.

Split Rock · Feb 11, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Have you compared what He [supposedly] said through Creation, with what He documented?

"He" didn't document ANYTHING! Men wrote The Bible, not God.

Split Rock · Feb 11, 2009

Mr Cleaver said:
Dealt with all of it, read my sig.

Do you really consider your ignorant sig as evidence?

AV1611VET · Feb 11, 2009

Split Rock said:
"He" didn't document ANYTHING! Men wrote The Bible, not God.

Someone needs a course in amanuensis, don't they?

Nathan Poe · Feb 11, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Someone needs a course in amanuensis, don't they?

Come back when you finish that course, AV -- you need a lesson in what it is -- as well as what it isn't.

MoonLancer · Feb 11, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Someone needs a course in amanuensis, don't they?

what is the observable difference between someone dictating what god says and a crazy person dictating from illusions in their head?

I cant think of any, can you?

Split Rock · Feb 11, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Someone needs a course in amanuensis, don't they?

You cannot even support amanuensis for scripture, by quoting scripture. You have to reinterpret "inspired" to mean "written down word for word like a scribe." Just like you reinterpret "good" as "perfect." So much for "literal." :wave:

AV1611VET · Feb 12, 2009

MoonLancer said:
what is the observable difference between someone dictating what god says and a crazy person dictating from illusions in their head?

I cant think of any, can you?

Presumption ---

Deuteronomy 18:22 said:
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

AV1611VET · Feb 12, 2009

Split Rock said:
You cannot even support amanuensis for scripture, by quoting scripture.

.

2 Peter 1:21 said:
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

MoonLancer · Feb 12, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Presumption ---

ok, name a few.

keep in mind predictions a non profit could make are not prophecy from God. This of course covers obvious observations that any could have made and things things that have already happened (aka history and thus not a prophecy).

ps: Deuteronomy? do you want me to quote Deuteronomy? that's were the crazies are. Using Deuteronomy is a poor defense indeed.

AV1611VET · Feb 12, 2009

MoonLancer said:
ok, name a few.
keep in mind predictions a non profit could make are not prophecy from God. This of course covers obvious observations that any could have made and things things that have already happened (aka history and thus not a prophecy).

Here's a good one:

1 Kings 22:5-6 said:
5 And Jehoshaphat said unto the king of Israel, Enquire, I pray thee, at the word of the LORD to day.
6 Then the king of Israel gathered the prophets together, about four hundred men, and said unto them, Shall I go against Ramothgilead to battle, or shall I forbear? And they said, Go up; for the Lord shall deliver it into the hand of the king.

1 Kings 22:28 said:
28 And Micaiah said, If thou return at all in peace, the LORD hath not spoken by me. And he said, Hearken, O people, every one of you.

1 Kings 22:34-35 said:
34 And a certain man drew a bow at a venture, and smote the king of Israel between the joints of the harness: wherefore he said unto the driver of his chariot, Turn thine hand, and carry me out of the host; for I am wounded.
35 And the battle increased that day: and the king was stayed up in his chariot against the Syrians, and died at even: and the blood ran out of the wound into the midst of the chariot.

MoonLancer said:
ps: Deuteronomy? do you want me to quote Deuteronomy? that's were the crazies are. Using Deuteronomy is a poor defense indeed.

It is?

Not only does the Jews' most well-known passage, the Shema, come from Deuteronomy ---

Deuteronomy 6:4-5 said:
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

--- but Deuteronomy was exclusively quoted by Jesus* when He was tempted by Satan in the wilderness.

* He quoted:

Deuteronomy 8:3 in Matthew 4:4
Deuteronomy 6:16 in Matthew 4:7
Deuteronomy 6:13 in Matthew 4:10

Split Rock · Feb 12, 2009

AV1611VET said:
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

This does not mean that the Bible was written word for word from God's mouth. You are once again interpreting scripture to your own fallible specifications. :preach:

AV1611VET · Feb 12, 2009

Split Rock said:
This does not mean that the Bible was written word for word from God's mouth.

That is correct --- the Bible was not written word-for-word from God's mouth. That is called mechanical dictation.

By contrast:

"Verbal Plenary Inspiration" means "God the Holy Spirit so supernaturally directed the human writers of Scripture that, without waiving their intelligence, their individuality, their personal feelings, their literary style, or any other human factor of expression, His Complete and Coherent Message to mankind was recorded with perfect accuracy in the original languages of Scripture: the very words bearing the Authority of Divine Authorship."

SOURCE

The Bible did not come to us via mechanical dictation, It came to us via verbal plenary inspiration.

Split Rock · Feb 12, 2009

AV1611VET said:
That is correct --- the Bible was not written word-for-word from God's mouth. That is called mechanical dictation.

By contrast:

SOURCE

The Bible did not come to us via mechanical dictation, It came to us via verbal plenary inspiration.

Either way (I guess I should have written "as if from God's mouth").

So where did this "Verbal Plenary Inspiration" idea come from?

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