A questionnaire - No debate, please (see post 23 for part 2)

GreenMunchkin said:

You know, have been trying to work out what it is that makes someone a conservative Christian... is it beliefs, or deportment? So I'd like to ask where y'all stand on some stuff. I don't mean for there to be a lick of debate - how we all feel about this stuff is entirely valid... but am interested, cos this is an issue am really struggling with, and have been for a while. So I'd really appreciate answers, but don't want anyone to question the answers of anyone else, and your answers can be as sparse or expansive as you want

1) Do you believe in the Trinity?

2) Do you believe that Christians are beholden to the laws of the Old Testament?

3) Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin?

4) Do you believe that homosexuality should be "illegal"?

5) Do you believe homosexual marriage should be legalised?

6) In the context of "do not judge..." what does "judge" mean to you?

7) Do you believe the devil is a real flesh and blood entity?

8) Do you believe that God can/will heal all afflictions if we have "enough" faith?

9) Do you believe that once we are saved we are always saved?

10) If you were to describe God in 5 words, which words would they be?

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Well I'm new but I'll bite.

1. Yes
2. Christs sacrifice made the sacrificial law obsolete, Christs words to Peter makes the dietary laws obsolete as for the moral law I guess I'm still open to discussion.
3. Yes
4. No
5. Undecided
6. Attempting to usurp God and making decisions about another persons spiritual state.
7. I believe that the Devil does exist. Whether angels or fallen angels have flesh and blood permanently I do not know. Apparently they can at least appear in flesh and blood at times.
8. I believe that God can I'm not convinced that He always does, regardless of our faith.
9. Yes
10. Love, Sovereign, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient.

1) Do you believe in the Trinity?

Yes. This is usually classified as the test for orthodoxy.

2) Do you believe that Christians are beholden to the laws of the Old Testament?

Which laws? I'm still working some of these issues out but I believe that we should still follow the 10 commandments not all the ceremony laws in the OT.

3) Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin?

Yes.

4) Do you believe that homosexuality should be "illegal"?

Yes. This will eventually infiltrate the church. Better to get rid of this sin in the culture.

5) Do you believe homosexual marriage should be legalised?

No.

6) In the context of "do not judge..." what does "judge" mean to you?

Liberals tend to interpret this as to mean don't recognize anyone from anyone doing anything wrong. I think this is incorrect. To me this means recognize peoples fallen nature and realize that we are all capable of great evil. Instead don't make yourself the punisher of this person, don't be little them and put them down instead help them to become better. Hypocracy is a big issue here, try to do your best and don't set double standards.

7) Do you believe the devil is a real flesh and blood entity?

No. Supernatural being.

8) Do you believe that God can/will heal all afflictions if we have "enough" faith?
No. I believe that healing gifts in the OT and NT where signs of authority for (new revelation) scripture.

9) Do you believe that once we are saved we are always saved?

I believe in Perseverance of the Saints. Not really the same thing, I believe that once you are saved there should be a sign of regeneration that must lead to good works. OSAS doesn't always mean this, it could mean being saved without having good works as a byproduct which is a heresy.

10) If you were to describe God in 5 words, which words would they be?
Lord
Master
Sovereign
Graceful
King

1) Do you believe in the Trinity? Absolutely... God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

2) Do you believe that Christians are beholden to the laws of the Old Testament? Not exactly... the 'law of Moses' belongs to a dispensation of the past. The letter of the law, so to speak, at that time, was God's law for His people. The fact that a law appears in the 'law of Moses' does not mean it applies to me anymore than it means that boys today *must* be circumsized. That being said...
and this is the critical part...
the Spirit of the Law has always been - and always will be - God's will for His people and it is found explicitely laid out in the New Testament specifically in the context of the early Church coming to terms with Jewish Christians worshipping with Gentile Christians. In other words, the NT tells us what the 'law of Moses' means for us today, we are not free to do as we will.

3) Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin? For the sake of clarification here, I'm answering this question on the basis of defining "homosexuality" as being the state of a person being attracted to the same sex (without any discussion of what activities that person may or may not engage in). Given that "homosexuality" means a person realizing that they like the same sex then I would say no, that is not sinful in and of itself.
[I realize that some people mean "homosexuality" to mean the act of engaging in various practices, but that is not how I understand the word, so I leave that aspect unanswered].

4) Do you believe that homosexuality should be "illegal"? No, I don't believe it is the government's place to legislate morality. The only laws on the table should be ones which protect people from being victimized (ie, no homosexual rape/molestation).

5) Do you believe homosexual marriage should be legalised?
No... if... it means that Churches will be forced to go against their beliefs in performing ceremonies and in their recognitions. In other words, freedom of religion - including denoms like the SBC and the Lutheran Church -MS (to name a couple of ones which oppose gay marriage) must be preserved. So, absolutely not, the government cannot declare that a gay marriage has taken place and make everyone else acknowledge it. On the other hand, if the Episcopal wants to marry gay people, for example, they should have their freedom to perform those ceremonies. Thus, what I really think is that the government should get out of the marriage debate and leave it as a religious matter, thereby not telling either side what to do. The government should give out civil unions for any two consenting adults who wish to be united - and churches should perform "marriages" according to their own beliefs.

Yes... if... the government is not going to follow the above proposal but is going to insist on calling legal unions "marriages". In this case, the government has fulfilled its duty to give equality to all couples but has essentially ruined the word "marriage". If you ask me, "marriage" lost its theological meaning in almost all incidences a long time ago and one of the reasons why gay marriage is now such a hot issue is because it unmasks how problematic it has been (all along) for the government to declare what was God's to declare.

6) In the context of "do not judge..." what does "judge" mean to you? To pass "judgment" on a person is not exactly what we may mean by casually saying so and so made a "judgment call". We do need to be careful with that word. In the context Jesus uses, passing judgment means that a person plays the role of a judge and determines someone else's fate. However, that is emphatically God's position. We don't determine someone's fate, we don't know what it is in a person's heart, we don't know who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. Leaving all of that up to God does not mean refraining from naming sin and/or evil when we see it. To say "abortion is murder" and/or "God is offended by abortion" etc. is to be truthful and accurate. If I said "Sister so and so is going to hell for having an abortion" that would be judging. The closest I could advocate would be, "We need to pray for sister so and so, she had an abortion".
Any of that make sense?

7) Do you believe the devil is a real flesh and blood entity? Yes. Perhaps not in the same sense that my cat is a flesh and blood entity, but yes, a real being. But yes, Satan is real, so are demons, so is hell, etc.

8) Do you believe that God can/will heal all afflictions if we have "enough" faith? Hmmm... well, first off, God *can* do anything. I know people who have been miraculously cured, so it is a real possibility and there is a charismatic aspect to my faith which I am not ashamed of. That being said, I think these things have more to do with God's will than one's level of faith. So, if a Christian gets cancer and dies, I would not fault that person's faith.

9) Do you believe that once we are saved we are always saved? Yes... my explanation for this one is very complicated, so I'll leave it at a simple yes. My personal belief is that some people - possibly even most people belong to God... but that there are some people who simply belong to Satan.

10) If you were to describe God in 5 words, which words would they be?
Being, perfection, loving, justice, merciful

GreenMunchkin said:

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1) Do you believe in the Trinity?

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Yes

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2) Do you believe that Christians are beholden to the laws of the Old Testament?

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Some, but not all.

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3) Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin?

4) Do you believe that homosexuality should be "illegal"?

5) Do you believe homosexual marriage should be legalised?

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3A: I believe that the Bible says that it is an abomination.
4A: No.
5A:No.

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6) In the context of "do not judge..." what does "judge" mean to you?

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That I only have the right to judge myself.

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7) Do you believe the devil is a real flesh and blood entity?

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No. But, I have no personal knowledge to quantify my answer.

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8) Do you believe that God can/will heal all afflictions if we have "enough" faith?

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No. I believe that some "afflictions" have a purpose to teach either us, or those we know, something.

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9) Do you believe that once we are saved we are always saved?

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I do.

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10) If you were to describe God in 5 words, which words would they be?

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I don't need 5. Only one. Love.

You're welcome.

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GreenMunchkin said:

You know, have been trying to work out what it is that makes someone a conservative Christian... is it beliefs, or deportment? So I'd like to ask where y'all stand on some stuff. I don't mean for there to be a lick of debate - how we all feel about this stuff is entirely valid... but am interested, cos this is an issue am really struggling with, and have been for a while. So I'd really appreciate answers, but don't want anyone to question the answers of anyone else, and your answers can be as sparse or expansive as you want

1) Do you believe in the Trinity?

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Yes.

2) Do you believe that Christians are beholden to the laws of the Old Testament?

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Yes and no. Yes in that christians should recognize that the law was given for the knowledge of sin and we should know what sin is and seek to avoid it before God.

No in that we will not be judged by the law for salvation.

3) Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin?

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Homosexuality? No - temptation is not a sin. Do i believe that willfully acting on that temptation by having homosexual relations is sin? Yes and equal to having sexual relations heterosexually outside of marriage.

4) Do you believe that homosexuality should be "illegal"?

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No. I do not believe we can or should legislate temptation. We would all be guilty of breaking that law each and everyday.

5) Do you believe homosexual marriage should be legalised?

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No. I believe marriage to be a sacred institution that should remain between a man and a woman. I do not disagree with civil unions though.

6) In the context of "do not judge..." what does "judge" mean to you?

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It means both condemnation and discernment depending on the context. We should not pass judgment on others (condemn them)- inreality we cannot anyway because we are not God.

However by using what God has given as proper measure of what is and is not sin we can discern if a message is of God or not.

7) Do you believe the devil is a real flesh and blood entity?

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Real yes - flesh and blood entity no. the "devil" is a fallen angel imo.

8) Do you believe that God can/will heal all afflictions if we have "enough" faith?

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Can? Yes- Will? Sometimes He will through prayer and sometimes He will not - the reasoning is His to know alone (there could be many) and to say it didnt happen because someone didnt have enough faith is extremely errant and the person who believes such should spend some serious time reading the book of Job before they hurt someone by telling them that.

9) Do you believe that once we are saved we are always saved?

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Yes. But I do not believe that everyone who walks an isle or thinks they had a one time "enlightment" before God is actually saved. Salvation is more than a one time experience or going to church or "being brought up a christian".

10) If you were to describe God in 5 words, which words would they be?

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I Am, Way, Truth, Life, Love

Here we go!

1) Do you believe in the Trinity?
Yes.

2) Do you believe that Christians are beholden to the laws of the Old Testament?
Beholden? No. Should we for our own good (health, mentality)? As much as possible, yes.

3) Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin?
Yes.

4) Do you believe that homosexuality should be "illegal"?
Depends on illegal. Marriage? Yes. Do I feel it is morally wrong? Absolutely. Am I to judge? No.

5) Do you believe homosexual marriage should be legalised?
No. See above.

6) In the context of "do not judge..." what does "judge" mean to you?
Don't put yourself in God's shoes. We must do our best to love everyone.

7) Do you believe the devil is a real flesh and blood entity?
Yikes... flesh and blood? Not so sure. Spirit/Demon? Yes.

8) Do you believe that God can/will heal all afflictions if we have "enough" faith?
I believe that God has given us ways to handle afflictions on earth. Kinda like the story of the guy who was waiting on God when God had already sent a boat and helicopter to keep him from drowning. However, that does not discount his supernatural power.

9) Do you believe that once we are saved we are always saved?
If we are genuinely saved, yes.

10) If you were to describe God in 5 words, which words would they be?
Holy. Love. Just. Pure. Awesome.

There you go!

1) Do you believe in the Trinity? Yes

2) Do you believe that Christians are beholden to the laws of the Old Testament? I bieleve that the moral laws are important and show us God's standard. We should live to please God, not with the motive of earning salvation (because we can't) but out of a sincere thankfulness and love for our Lord.

3) Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin? Yes

4) Do you believe that homosexuality should be "illegal"? No.

5) Do you believe homosexual marriage should be legalised? No.

6) In the context of "do not judge..." what does "judge" mean to you? Being critical of someone. However, I do think that we are responsible to approach a Brother or Sister in Christ about something we see in their lives that is harmful to them but we approach them not with a critical spirit but out of love and concern. Wanting to see them restored.

7) Do you believe the devil is a real flesh and blood entity? I believe that the devil is real and is against God and those who belong to God. But I also think that people associate him with more power than he has. Anything he does goes through God and he can't use anything against us that hasn't started with our own fleshy strongholds. We are our own worst enemy unfortunately.

8) Do you believe that God can/will heal all afflictions if we have "enough" faith? Can God heal, yes but does He always...no. We live in a fallen world and there is going to be sickness and disease and depression. One day He will heal all His people, He will wipe the tears away but not yet....something to look forward to.

9) Do you believe that once we are saved we are always saved? Yes. Although, I do believe that many are false converts and fall away from the faith but never knew the Lord to begin with.

10) If you were to describe God in 5 words, which words would they be? Holy, Loving, Forgiving, Eternal, Sovereign


You're welcome.

GreenMunchkin said:

You know, have been trying to work out what it is that makes someone a conservative Christian... is it beliefs, or deportment? So I'd like to ask where y'all stand on some stuff. I don't mean for there to be a lick of debate - how we all feel about this stuff is entirely valid... but am interested, cos this is an issue am really struggling with, and have been for a while. So I'd really appreciate answers, but don't want anyone to question the answers of anyone else, and your answers can be as sparse or expansive as you want

1) Do you believe in the Trinity?

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I accept it, yes.

2) Do you believe that Christians are beholden to the laws of the Old Testament?

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"Beholden." There's a word you don't hear every day, lol...
At least not in my neck of the woods....

To the moral law, yes. To the ceremonial and political law, no.

3) Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin?

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Well, I DO think that homosexual acts are sinful.

4) Do you believe that homosexuality should be "illegal"?

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I don't think one can outlaw a sexual orientation. We did once outlaw homosexual acts, but at least in California, that's no longer true if private and among consenting adults.

5) Do you believe homosexual marriage should be legalised?

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As my State just made clear, there's no such thing as "homosexual marriage" - legal or otherwise.

7) Do you believe the devil is a real flesh and blood entity?

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No. Satan is a fallen angel, and angels are not corporal.

8) Do you believe that God can/will heal all afflictions if we have "enough" faith?

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I think that God may heal according to His grace and will.
The AMOUNT of our faith has nothing to do with anything.

9) Do you believe that once we are saved we are always saved?

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Law: You can fall away from God!
Gospel: God will never let loose of you!

10) If you were to describe God in 5 words, which words would they be?

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Can't.

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Welcome!





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1) Do you believe in the Trinity?
Yes

2) Do you believe that Christians are beholden to the laws of the Old Testament? 10 Commandments - yes. Other - no

3) Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin? yes

4) Do you believe that homosexuality should be "illegal"? no

5) Do you believe homosexual marriage should be legalised? I don't know.

6) In the context of "do not judge..." what does "judge" mean to you? 1) do not think more of myself than others just because our sins may be different - I'm still a sinner also; 2) I cannot say with certainty whether any person is saved or lost - only God knows the heart.

7) Do you believe the devil is a real flesh and blood entity? No - I believe he is a real spiritual entity

8) Do you believe that God can/will heal all afflictions if we have "enough" faith? I believe He can. I do not believe He always will. I do not believe the amount of faith has anything to do with it.

9) Do you believe that once we are saved we are always saved? yes

10) If you were to describe God in 5 words, which words would they be? Magnificent, loving, just, forgiving, different (than our minds)

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I’ll share my thoughts…not looking at anyone else’s responses first though…

1) Do you believe in the Trinity? Absolutely

2) Do you believe that Christians are beholden to the laws of the Old Testament? I believe the laws of the OT are still just as valid as they were when given, however, I believe we are no longer under the penalty of the Law and sin as we are covered by the blood of the Lamb ( Hebrews 10 and of course Galatians also a good study regarding the law and grace)

3) Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin? Yes

4) Do you believe that homosexuality should be "illegal"? No

5) Do you believe homosexual marriage should be legalised? No, as a society I believe we have, at the moment anyway, the right to voice our opinions as to what we feel is or isn’t socially acceptable. I believe marriage as defined by God as between one man and one woman is the standard I would like to see remain intact.

6) In the context of "do not judge..." what does "judge" mean to you? Well, I think it would be better presented as what we are and are not to judge. I believe we are to judge the fruit of others…judge doctrines…whether or not they line up with Scripture to the very best of our ability to understand…however…we never “judge” the unsaved…whether or not they will be or can be saved…and we never judge the salvation of another believer. Meaning I believe we can judge all things…with a heart of discernment and yet not be condemning.

7) Do you believe the devil is a real flesh and blood entity? I believe Satan is a created spirit being…a fallen angel. I also believe angels can take on the appearance of “flesh and blood” but yet are spirit beings. Scripture tells us to be kind to strangers as we never know if we’re entertaining angles and there are many Scriptural references to seeing and conversing with angels…I do not see why the fallen host should be any different…unless they have become so grotesque in their spiritual form that any human form would be so equally grotesque they may not be able to present themselves unnoticeably….(pure speculation as we have no way of knowing…that I’m aware of)

I also believe the spirit of Antichrist will inhabit a human being who will rise as THE world power…as I do take Revelation as literal as possible.

8) Do you believe that God can/will heal all afflictions if we have "enough" faith? While faith is paramount in the life of any believer…I believe the will of God is the end all and be all. I do not believe that people are NOT healed simply because they lack X amount of faith. I totally believe that God does desire us to live happy, healthy and abundant lives, however….these things are temporal and God…IMHO…is much more concerned with the eternal. I believe we are all healed spiritually according to our faith…but that doesn’t ALWAYS mean physical healing as well.

9) Do you believe that once we are saved we are always saved? I believe:

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
Joh 10:28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and My Father are one."


Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Eph 1:11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,
Eph 1:12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

I’m not completely certain regarding the full connotation of “once saved always saved” but yes…I believe once we accept Christ Jesus as our Lord and Savior with a sincere and repentant heart…nothing can snatch us away from Him…including ourselves. I also believe there is a difference between salvation and sanctification…salvation is immediate…where sanctification is an ongoing process through which the Holy Spirit continually works in our lives…as we grow and mature in Christ Jesus.

10) If you were to describe God in 5 words, which words would they be? Holy, Sovereign, Righteous, Merciful and Gracious…just off the top of my head…but I think I like Isaiah’s description much better:

Isa 9:6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

I hope you have found this helpful GM...

Woohoo, it posted!!

1) Do you believe in the Trinity?
Yes

2) Do you believe that Christians are beholden to the laws of the Old Testament?
No, though the ten commandments apply, I believe that if we live in obedience to the Holy Spirit, the law is redundant.

Hebrews 8:10
This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

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3) Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin?
Not in itself, I believe that is is a predisposition caused by genetics or experience, and is a temptation rather than a sin. I believe that acting on the temptation is a sin.

4) Do you believe that homosexuality should be "illegal"?
No

5) Do you believe homosexual marriage should be legalised?
It depends what you mean by 'marriage'. As a religious sacrement, no, I don't. I do think that homosexual couples should have the same rights as other committed couples, and I agree with civil unions.

6) In the context of "do not judge..." what does "judge" mean to you?
I think it means that we should not condemn others, nor judge their salvation.. those things are for God alone, not for us.

7) Do you believe the devil is a real flesh and blood entity?
Real yes, flesh and blood, no. I believe he is a spiritual being, though he can appear as flesh and blood.

8) Do you believe that God can/will heal all afflictions if we have "enough" faith?
I believe that He can. I don't believe that He will, at least not this side of heaven... and I certainly don't think that He is dependant on our faith to do His will.

9) Do you believe that once we are saved we are always saved?
Not sure.. I used to, but I am no longer sure.

10) If you were to describe God in 5 words, which words would they be?

Love, grace, mercy, justice, sovereign.

1) Do you believe in the Trinity?
Yes and No

2) Do you believe that Christians are beholden to the laws of the Old Testament?
Some, yes. Some, no.

3) Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin?
No

4) Do you believe that homosexuality should be "illegal"?
No

5) Do you believe homosexual marriage should be legalised?
No

There are so many other social issues we should be concerned about, for instance, helping the poor and those in need. Why isn't anything about those issues being asked?

6) In the context of "do not judge..." what does "judge" mean to you?
the Only person I should be judging is myself.

7) Do you believe the devil is a real flesh and blood entity?
I've never met the dude, so I have no idea.

8) Do you believe that God can/will heal all afflictions if we have "enough" faith?
Not all afflictions will be healed by God

9) Do you believe that once we are saved we are always saved?
Yes.

10) If you were to describe God in 5 words, which words would they be?
LOVE!!

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You know, have been trying to work out what it is that makes someone a conservative Christian... is it beliefs, or deportment? So I'd like to ask where y'all stand on some stuff. I don't mean for there to be a lick of debate - how we all feel about this stuff is entirely valid... but am interested, cos this is an issue am really struggling with, and have been for a while. So I'd really appreciate answers, but don't want anyone to question the answers of anyone else, and your answers can be as sparse or expansive as you want

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1) Do you believe in the Trinity? yes

2) Do you believe that Christians are beholden to the laws of the Old Testament? i believe some of the laws are still applicable today, but not all are appropriate for this time period. i think if they are deliberatly mentioned in the new testament then there is a reason. i feel this is Gods way of emphasizing things that are still important after Jesus.

3) Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin? homosexual acts are a sin, homosexuality as an orientation can not be a sin if there is no lust or sex acts.

4) Do you believe that homosexuality should be "illegal"? no, no more than cohabitation or divorce or adultory are illegal. there are all wrong but secualr legality has nothing to do with it.

5) Do you believe homosexual marriage should be legalised? i think marriage should be sacred and defined as between a man and a woman. if homosexuals want to have a ceremony and have some sort of union with legal consequences then let them.

Hebrews 13:4
Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

6) In the context of "do not judge..." what does "judge" mean to you? i always use 1cor chapter 5 which ends in telling us we should not judge those outside the church yet we should judge our own. i think if a person is a christian they should be judged according to Christs laws and they should be accountable for their sin. as far as non-christians. ..God is thier only judge, they should be judged by their laws.

7) Do you believe the devil is a real flesh and blood entity? he is a fallen angel

8) Do you believe that God can/will heal all afflictions if we have "enough" faith? God will heal when healing is what brings him glory.

9) Do you believe that once we are saved we are always saved? yes, but i believe there are a lot of people that think they are saved who are really just going through the motions.

10) If you were to describe God in 5 words, which words would they be?
holy
powerful
comforter
provider
faithful