How was called the Byzantine empire in the western world?

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I apologize if I am posting in the wrong place. This question was initially in the History forum but a user recommended me to post it here.

It is for my video project. How was called, in the 11th century, the Byzantine empire by the people from the Western part of the former Roman Empire? I believe it is Romania but I need a confirmation. Anyone?
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Romania, apart from the present day state, was a term used by historians and linguists to designate the whole territory where roman/latin culture and language (includig, later, romance languages deroved vrom vulgar Latin), without designating any state or other sort of political entity.

The Byzantine empire was that time designed by the Western people like the Greek Empire.
 
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I don't know about the west, but the rest of us called them simply - Romans. Thus you have Turks naming the conquered part of Europe "Romelia", Serbs, in their entire medieval literature, calling them "Romeji" (something that sounds like Romayee), Romania as the name of the state in that part of the world (Romanians are actually the only Latins in the east, only nationwide Orthodox Latins and, besides Greeks, only European race native to the eastern regions of the Roman Empire )....etc
 
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Romania, the Roman Empire was its name. Its citizens were called Romii, or Romans in English. There were no racial or ethnical distinctions in the Empire. Please remember that Romania was not a respublica or national-state and it did NOT resemble in any way the Christian republics of the West. It followed until its death in the footsteps of the patristic-ancestors tradition, although close to its conquest by the Ottomans the Palaiologos Dynasty tried to transform the Empire into an invidious Romeocatholic caricature. Thanks God he never accompliced his mission.
 
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The Byzantines always considered themselves Roman, although in the Mid-Late Byzantine period you start to see them using the term "hellenes" (greeks) to describe themselves.

As for what the "west" called The Empire of the Roman's:
I very rarely use wikipedia as a source, but this one article was so well written that i will make an exception:
The Byzantines' failure to protect the Pope from the Lombards forced the Pope to search for help elsewhere. The man who answered his call was Pepin II of Aquitaine, whom he had named "Patrician", a title that caused a serious conflict. In 772, Rome ceased commemorating the emperor that first ruled from Constantinople, and in 800 Charlemagne was crowned Roman Emperor by the Pope himself, officially rejecting the Eastern Roman Empire as true Romans. According to the Frankish interpretation of events, the papacy appropriately "transferred Roman imperial authority from the Greeks to the Germans, in the name of His Greatness, Charles".[43] From then on, a war of names about the New Rome revolved around Roman imperial rights. Unable to deny that an emperor did exist in Constantinople, they sufficed in renouncing him as a successor of Roman heritage on the grounds that Greeks have nothing to do with the Roman legacy. Pope Nicholas I wrote to Emperor Michael III, "You ceased to be called 'Emperor of the Romans', since the Romans whom you claim to be Emperor of, are in fact according to you barbarians."[44]
Henceforth, the emperor in the East was known and referred to in the West as Emperor of the Greeks and their land as Greek Empire, reserving both "Roman" titles for the Frankish king. The interests of both sides were nominal rather than actual. No land areas were ever claimed, but the insult the Byzantines took on the accusation demonstrates how close at heart the Roman name (Ρωμαίος) had become to them. In fact, Bishop Liutprand of Cremona, a delegate of the Frankish court, was briefly imprisoned in Constantinople for not referring to the Roman emperor by his appropriate title,[45] and in reprisal for his king, Otto I, claiming the "Roman" title by styling himself as Holy Roman Emperor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_....CE.B1.CE.BD.CF.84.CE.B9.CE.BD.CE.BF.CE.AF.29
 
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