A Family Divided

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You've said it perfectly, EZoolander. The Republican Party has left me. Unless the Republican Party is cleaned up, they will lose me for good. Get rid of Rove and his gang and run the campaign with integrity and character. Stop the character assassination, making up total lies about the opponent, and pandering to people's worst fears and prejudices. Until that is done, I will not vote Republican. This is the first election that I have voted for a Democrat for President (I voted today). And what I've seen on this board played a part in my decision.

Exactly.

I want our party to lose - and lose badly. For every mentioning of Ayers I want there to be an additional 5 electoral votes lost. For every person that screams "HUSSEEEIIINNN!!!" I want there to be 10 electoral votes lost.

I want it to be a slap in the face to all of those who have sold our party out to the liars, manipulators and cheats that our party has embraced for too long. It's about time that our party cleaned it's act up.
 
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My family gets into political discussions now and then, but it rarely ever sparks a feud amongst us. Yes, we differ on a few things, but we're family and that comes before anything else. The majority of members in my family are Christian, but there are staunch supporters of Democrats, Republicans and Independants alike. I think we all understand that our underlying needs and concerns are the same, and as such, we respect each other's opinions. Thank God we have never thrown hurtful accusations at each other for having voted for someone the others don't quite agree with, or voting for candidates whose platform differs from their party's.


I have witnessed families where this kind of this happens though... and it can be a sad sight, if there is not some humor taken into account. I think some people take things way too seriously and don't realize that we are all human beings, just trying to make the best decisions in our lives.



God bless you, Kat... please don't be afraid to be yourself around your family. Grant it, sometimes we need to be silent if we know we will provoke an argument, but I hope that you really don't feel as though portraying yourself differently from who you are amongst your family will bring you any peace in the matter. It won't. It might make you feel like crap, but I don't think it's the answer to your problem. :)
 
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What I don't see is the comparison to 1860. We don't have a whole group of states which are on the brink of cessation. There was some talk about Vermont doing so because of Bush 3 or 4 years ago, that came to nothing. There were rumors of Montana leaving, had the Heller decision gone the other way. But nothing like 1860.

I know the Republican Party seriously screwed up. I mean, when McCain was the guy we picked, you know it's bad. But that doesn't mean that the Democrats have the answers, or that the Democrats taking power wouldn't have consequences that would deeply harm our nation. We still have not recovered from Carter. I'd hate to see the hole that Carter II will put us into if he is elected.

The thing that's sad is...

As inept as Carter was - I'm certain that the incumbency of GW will be looked on as far more harmful to our nation in the years to come.
 
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The more I look at this election, the more I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't have spent more time supporting Ron Paul in the primaries instead of making fun of his campaigners.

I don't like either candidate. And I'll be honest, the fact that I've lost so many friends and having to argue with my family over this election has made me angry. My family think I'm a "crybaby liberal" and my ex-friends claim they will never forgive me if I don't vote for Obama. Welcome to the world of a 3rd party supporter who just wants to stand on principles...

I cannot wait for this election to end... I mean it.
The nightmare is 7 days from ending. Can we get put into a coma just so we don't have to listen to the mindless rabble for the next week? I think I'm going to go insane if I keep hearing it.
 
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Unfortuately, I don't think it will be over in 7 days. You don't stir up hatred and racism and have it just magically go away after the election. Human nature doesn't tend to work that way. That is what is so bad about appealing to this in people to win an election.
 
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No, you aren't the only person experiencing this.

I have had to actively avoid contact with my family in the past few weeks because I would rather not have that conversation. I had to renew the tags on my car, which my mother is driving right now since I wrecked her car and instead of inviting her over to pick up the new registration and see the progress on my house I mailed it to her with a nice card with no mention of her e-mails or voicemails about politics.

I love my Mother, and most of the time we agree not to talk about politics because she is aware of my "liberal tendencies". My family members vote on one single issue, and that is abortion. I understand their passion and the reason for their fight to end abortion but I'm afraid I don't have the luxury of voting on a single issue that I don't even feel should be a political one. If the Republican party were equally as adamant about ending capitol punishment as well as abortion, addressing the health care issues, and still upheld the fiscal conservatism that they once boasted I might vote for them. Until that happens I will vote Democratic.
 
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It's been that way for me. My mother is very anti-Obama and doesn't miss an opportunity to talk about it. She even tried to force her views on my son and his friends in high school, some of whom are voting for the first time ever. And she tried to politically blackmail my son with threats of a monetary nature and left an anti-Obama book on his bed last time she dropped by . I just avoid the topic and have told my kids to tell grandma they voted 3rd party if the subject comes up. Better to lie than face the wrath :)

Heh. My Granny's like, the opposite of that. I think one of my cousins joined the Conservative party once. She virtually disowned them ^_^ When the government nationalised the banks she was so excited the poor dear had to go have a lie down.
 
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I find it so sad how this election has probably been one of the most divisive elections in American history. I can say with certainty that it is the most volatile one I've ever witnessed. I wonder why this election has brought out the worst in people.

I grew up in a home where my mother was never a registered voter, but my grandmother and my father voted Republican, regardless of how they felt about the party's candidate. It was simply what you did. I couldn't wait until I turned seventeen and a half, because that meant I was eligible to register to vote, even though I could not legally vote until I was eighteen. I was nineteen when I voted in my first presidential election. My dad took me before work and explained to me how to use the polling machines and talked me through the voting guide as we waited in line, in the freezing cold rain at eight in the morning. I stood in line for hours. I didn't know anything about the candidates, so my dad explained to me why I should vote for Bush. Having been involved heavily in the Baptist church for the past eight years, I had heard much about "the evil, left-wing agenda". I went into the booth, selected Bush and that was that.

Over the next few years I went through some changes, both spiritually and mentally. I was living on my own and realized I wasn't the social conservative my father and grandmother were. My mother was the more liberal one in the family. My father and I used to carpool to work and most afternoons would end up fighting all the way home about the Sean Hannity radio program.

It was no secret that, in the beginning of the election, I was a supporter of Senator Obama. Then there came a period of time where I felt like the naive first-time voter, dependent upon my father's explanations of things to shape my decision. I didn't support McCain/Palin, but my support for Obama began to wane. It wasn't until recently that I realized I had two choices in this election. I could stay at home and not vote for the first time since I became a registered voter, or I could vote for the Obama/Biden ticket.

This sent my entire family through the roof. Ever since then it has been like a war zone every time I'm with my family. Arguments erupt over how my dad thinks McCain and Palin are above reproach. I can say nothing positive about Obama without my family making some nasty comment. I was even surprised when my own mother began using racial epithets when talking about Obama. It made me feel so ashamed and sad for my family, because they've never been this angry over who I supported in an election.

The icing on the cake was this past weekend. I went to the grocery store with my parents and younger brother and made a comment about how I was surprised I had not seen the first Obama yard sign in our town. I've seen a lot of McCain/Palin signs and banners and a few Obama bumper stickers, but no signs. This innocent observation sparked yet another fight which ended in my father telling me, "I thought I raised you better than this. I can't believe you hate your country so much that you would vote for the only candidate in American election history that would F* up this country the way Obama would." Then my younger brother, who never has a negative word to say about anyone, walked by me and said, "I don't care who you vote for. Just so long as you aren't stupid and vote for Obama." I've also been accused of not loving my son if I vote for Obama.

I cried that night. The next day I confronted my father and told him how much his words the day before hurt me. I said, "who I vote for should not determine my character." He said, "it does in this election, but you're too much of a crybaby liberal extremist to see that." and walked away. I've never considered myself an extreme anything. I'm not a hardcore Democrat or Republican. I vote for whichever candidate I feel is the best choice. I tend to be more liberal on social issues and more moderate-left on fiscal issues, but to have my father refer to me as "a crybaby liberal extremist" hurt.

Surely I am not the only person who has experienced their family being torn apart by this election. :(


Your father raised a women who thinks for herself, and stands for the things she believes in. It sounds like you have done your own research and have made a choice based on your own decisions from what you have personally seen and studied for yourself.
Good for you! This is what being your own person, taking responsibilty for your own vote is.
Yes it may ruffle some feathers, but the argument is that you are an a adult now voting on your own convictions.

For the last 8 years I felt slammed for my own convictions of not agreeing with the Bush gang. I was called un-christian, un-american yadaaa, yaddaaa... and I knew I my heart this was not true.

It turned out my convictions were right, and I am glad I stood by them.

Welcome to the world of making your own choices! Sometimes it is best to just tell people who want to control you, and your own convictions that this is a topic you don't care to discuss until they want to respect your opinion.
 
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If your mother doesn’t like the way you vote tell her not to come around anymore. If your mother doesn’t like the way you are bringing up your children she should just stay away and change her will. You and your family can go your own way as you won’t need anything from the family that raised you. You will have Obama looking after you.

:confused::confused::confused:

This strikes me as a deeply unpleasent statement.
 
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I know the Republican Party seriously screwed up. I mean, when McCain was the guy we picked, you know it's bad. But that doesn't mean that the Democrats have the answers, or that the Democrats taking power wouldn't have consequences that would deeply harm our nation. We still have not recovered from Carter. I'd hate to see the hole that Carter II will put us into if he is elected.

Actually McCain was the one man who might have saved you. He was sensible, he was moderate, he'd stood up to the preachers of intolerance in your party. Then, he picked Sarah Palin.

If I were a GOP-er now, I'd be prepping Governor Pawlenty of Minnesota for a run on the White House. He's young; he's sensible; he's said encouraging things about bringing your Party back to the people as a whole, not just dribbling evangelicals and the insanely rich.
 
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Your parents sound like good people.

Does everyone else here read what I think I'm reading?:sigh:

Boy, what a one-liner response to a genuine, heart-on-the-sleeve vent by a person carrying a "Christian" faith icon.
 
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Today my mother told me that she prays God will forgive me for voting for Barack Obama. Then she accused me of promoting a culture of death and said that hopefully one day I would see the error of my ways.

It makes me sad that I can't relate to my family at all on any subject. Sometimes I feel like I should just move away and spare everyone the grief.
 
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