Why do non and anti Christians tell Christians how to be Christian?
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That's me your talking about.I walked right by my Bibles and went straight to my calculator. Your statement is that you believe either in nothing, or the God is nothing. So says the math here.
To there is one true nothing? Good luck with that.
Spititual paths illuminated by nothing? Not even my light sockets here in the house work that way. They need something to get light from.
Uhh, not my math. Ask an atheist about that sum.
Because of the way it is sold. Ask a Humanist or atheist what they demand evolution is. No god, no way, no how. I think that is the height of idiocy. Again, me and my calculator are having a good chuckle right now. OK, just me. I wouldn't want you guys to DSM me or something.
Which Christians would that be? All the ones I know are doing as you present.
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Polycarp_fan said:
Sorry, that's your own misconception; there's nothing in evolution (or any science, for that matter) that says "it's impossible for a G/god to be involved in this process." Plenty of Christians understand that. Why don't you?
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Looks like I'm going to have to. Even though you've been corrected on your silly little quips and equations numerous times, you continue to spread untruths. You know what that makes you, now don't you?
Thank goodness. >.>
How did evolution come into play here? You know the ToE only explains the origins of species and not the origins of life itself, right?
See? That's you spreading untruths again. I cannot understand why you insist on doing this, even though you've been told differently. You do indeed make a great creationist.
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I'd say that in knowing and experiencing God, the Ego has to be "0" and the Heart is "0", at that point the Heart has the capacity to hold God.
When the Ego is active and the Heart is full of emotions, God is know where to be found.
Yep, in a way. From the spiritual perspective, in Nothing is Infinity. That's something that not only the Buddhist identify with but so do the Christian Mystics.
Your light sockets work on physical properties. The spiritual world illuminates from the activities of God. A different way of looking at God is needed than the physical examples you give. In God’s nothing-ness, All that is, exist in God. He is whole, united and One with life itself.
It's quite true that Christians are often two faced about where they say we should see God and where they say God can not be.
Didn’t I read that you didn't care what atheist thought? Or was that someone else? I brought up that many of us are seeing God at work creating life through the venue of Evolution from the point of view of someone who is a Lover of God, not as a humanist or atheist.
Most Christians I know tend limit the reach of God when they place the label of Satan on the spiritual awareness of God in other spiritual paths. Most steadfastly refuse to even acknowledge the possibility that others out side of Christianity know and experience and live in the light of God just as much as does any Christian does.
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But something from nothing is exactly what we get from the Creation story we read in the Bible. There's that 0 x 0 = God again.
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Evolution doesn't teach that something comes from nothing.
It's teaches how things evolved.
Creation teaches that something came from nothing.
God just wills it, and it appears, like an episode of Bewitched.
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Speaking of 0's and 1's, I was thinking the other day of Jesus. I'm unsure whether Jesus really existed, but even looking at the story, something important carries through.
Jesus was God. He was all things. He and the Father were one. And yet, he chose to be born in a manger. He chose to be born into a poor family. And that is how he lived his life. He lowered himself below men, willing to wash their feet, to explain that to become the greatest, we must become the lowest. To enter the Kingdom, we had to become simple, like children. We have to forgive endlessly to understand the forgiveness of God. Christ even endured those in the Temple rejecting him, even accusing him being of the devil.
The way that God is presented by Christians, God is often this narcistic being that demands man's attention and constant praise - a Madonna entrerage that needs to constantly telling him that he is good, he is the best, he is The Man. I think that the opposite is true - that God made himself 0 to teach man, 1, how to transcend his own nature into the divine, and make the world heaven on earth. God does not demand our love, what is trying to get our attention, trying to get us to understand that it is God who is constantly showering us with attention and love.
It's a really profound thing to think about for me.
Jesus was God. He was all things. He and the Father were one. And yet, he chose to be born in a manger. He chose to be born into a poor family. And that is how he lived his life. He lowered himself below men, willing to wash their feet, to explain that to become the greatest, we must become the lowest. To enter the Kingdom, we had to become simple, like children. We have to forgive endlessly to understand the forgiveness of God. Christ even endured those in the Temple rejecting him, even accusing him being of the devil.
The way that God is presented by Christians, God is often this narcistic being that demands man's attention and constant praise - a Madonna entrerage that needs to constantly telling him that he is good, he is the best, he is The Man. I think that the opposite is true - that God made himself 0 to teach man, 1, how to transcend his own nature into the divine, and make the world heaven on earth. God does not demand our love, what is trying to get our attention, trying to get us to understand that it is God who is constantly showering us with attention and love.
It's a really profound thing to think about for me.
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Since when do non-believers believe in nothing? Them rejecting the belief of God in general or Jesus in particular, doesn't mean they believe in nothing all together, it just means they don't have beliefs in the supernatural. They are skeptical of it, thus their disbelief.
But it isn't sold that way, it's only inferred by some to be implied in that way as they are told its an dichotomy or either of. For some the diversity and dynamic nature of how life is so readily flexible and adaptable speaks to the grandeur of Godlike wisdom, for others it's a mixed bag or they are indifferent.
But this is how they view it, and they aren't only ones who view, understand and accept evolution, most people who accept it are theists after all and they have no issues with it at all. It's no more theologically troublesome to realize this than it was to realize that gravity controlled the orbits of planets.
Science can't directly negate or support the existence of God(s) or the supernatural as they can't be studied using the scientific method.
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Right. One can tell a story of the Rainbow. Natives believe that is a bow, like a bow and arrow, and that their god touched it with an arrow, and shot it into the ground, making flowers different colors. It's a cool story, but I doubt that is how flowers scientifically came into being.
Christians believe that the world was able to completely flood (I'm not sure how the fish didn't die), and that the rainbow is God's promise not to do it again. However, scientifically, one can show that a rainbow is sunlight split into different frequencies, which can be done with a prism, or even a garden house.
Why it does this (because God made it) is not scientifically provable, and if it was, there would be no need for faith.
Christians believe that the world was able to completely flood (I'm not sure how the fish didn't die), and that the rainbow is God's promise not to do it again. However, scientifically, one can show that a rainbow is sunlight split into different frequencies, which can be done with a prism, or even a garden house.
Why it does this (because God made it) is not scientifically provable, and if it was, there would be no need for faith.
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I was just giving you typing the respect it deserves. Nothing more. Literally nothing more.
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I couldn't have asked for a more perfect example of a non Christian telling Christians what Christianity is all about.
It's utterly fascinating why you guys do this.
It certainly means that the conservatives got it right that there are absolutes about the Christian belief system.
Keep up the effort B-B. Sooner or later you may arrive at reality in your view of what Christians should do to be Christian.
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Notice B-B, that Christians do not have the rainbow as their political and social engineering sign.
I find it fascinating that the rainbow and the term "outing" are so used by gay activis groups, when both are decidedly Biblical concepts. The Church literally beat the GLBT's to the punch there, as being "called out" Ekklesia, was the concept for becoming a Christian and leaving the world and its ways behind. (Though I do understand that GLBT's are a united force.)
http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/cgg/ID/3753/Called-Out-Ones-.htm
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I was giving my opinion, my belief system. I wasn't telling you what Christianity was about. I was telling you what Christianity is about TO ME. My understanding of God, Jesus and HS are very heretical, so I don't identify as Christian. I believe that the first time that stopped calling myself that, I just got tired of Christians saying that it is impossible to be gay and Christian, and didn't want to answer to man anymore, but only God.
Some of my heretic views and understanding:
God really doesn't care all that much about sin. It carries it's own punishment. If you kill someone, you go to jail. If you lie constantly, you are mistrusted, and branded a liar.
Rather, I believe that God is far more concerned about us loving our neighbor as ourselves, and in so, are loving God. It changes us, makes us evolve about our human nature, so that we are prepared for the Kingdom.
I don't believe that Jesus death was commanded by God, nor that Jesus death was necessary for God to forgive our sin, since Jesus forgave a number of people of their sin prior to his death and resurrection. I think man killed Jesus because he asked them to act in love, and they loved themselves far more, which is why those who were teaching the Scripture were more of an enemy to Jesus than any sinner.
I don't believe that people are sent to eternal punishment for a finite life. Rather, I believe that hell is more like a purification by fire.
I believe that everyone eventually returns to God, and that truly is Good News, as opposed to thinking that only a minority are saved. i believe that man doesn't want everyone to be saved, because it makes him feel less elite.
I could go on, but my views are radically different than those of most Christians. They are simply my conclusions at this time with my discussions with God.
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I remember when the rainbow was introduced. It was in a time when people were still fighting for gay rights. However, young boys were call older men "trolls", or conservative gays would think lowly of men in leather, or people thought negatively of Drag Queens, while enjoying their entertainment. Thus, a rainbow was used, telling people that similar to the many differences of orientations, there are many different kinds of gay people, and that unless the community could be united, there is no way they could expect to progress in their fight for rights.
However, the point that I was making was simply that in science class, you can't explain a rainbow as "something God made as a promise." It's not provable. You can show that sunlight is full of color, which is kind of fascinating. You can produce a rainbow with a prism. It simply is the way it is. You can't prove God created it.
That was my point, and you missed it completely.
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What I find the most puzzling is the anger when a nonChristian points out the error to a Christian. There is a haughty, "who do you think you are, telling me how to act? What do you know about Christianity?" when the Christian is clearly in the wrong.
It's these kind of Christians, who act far more like Pharisees, that I believe send a message that Christianity is about deceit to an end, about being oppressor but playing victim, or haughtiness, and arrogance, and self exhaltation, which is the very antithesis of what Christ taught. Seeing this in the followers, and seeing it so often, they see the religion as one of negativity, false, an excuse to exercise power and authority over others, etc.
If anything is anti, it is misrepresenting Christ in one's own life, but labeling yourself a Christian, that you may be thought holy by men. That is exactly what the Pharisees did, and they weren't a big fan of Jesus.
It's these kind of Christians, who act far more like Pharisees, that I believe send a message that Christianity is about deceit to an end, about being oppressor but playing victim, or haughtiness, and arrogance, and self exhaltation, which is the very antithesis of what Christ taught. Seeing this in the followers, and seeing it so often, they see the religion as one of negativity, false, an excuse to exercise power and authority over others, etc.
If anything is anti, it is misrepresenting Christ in one's own life, but labeling yourself a Christian, that you may be thought holy by men. That is exactly what the Pharisees did, and they weren't a big fan of Jesus.
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