Did Jesus know Judas would betray Him?

LuckyCharm · Dec 3, 2002

Hi, all!

I posted this question on a Christian Singles forum, but didn't get much response. I'm hoping to find a few Scriptural and theologically sound opinions here at Christian Forums. 

My question is, Did Jesus know all along that Judas would betray Him? If so, and if Jesus is to be our example in all things, then do we have any right to reject someone as an intimate friend or partner on the grounds that they have consistently behaved deceitfully or underhandedly toward us, and are likely to do so in the future?

Hoping for some lively discussion on this one....

 

~~Cheryl

ZiSunka · Dec 3, 2002

Jesus replied, "I chose all twelve of you. Yet, one of you is a devil." Jesus meant Judas, son of Simon Iscariot. Judas, who was one of the twelve apostles, would later betray Jesus. John 6:70-71

Yep. He knew.

ZiSunka · Dec 3, 2002

But we don't have to imitate Christ in all things. He died on a cross, but we aren't require to. He was betrayed by someone he loved, and sooner or later, that happens to a lot of us. But it's not something we have to go looking for, or something we have to tolerate if it comes looking for us.

LuckyCharm · Dec 3, 2002

Originally posted by lambslove
But we don't have to imitate Christ in all things. He died on a cross, but we aren't require to. He was betrayed by someone he loved, and sooner or later, that happens to a lot of us. But it's not something we have to go looking for, or something we have to tolerate if it comes looking for us.

Thanks for your response, LL! But what about turning the other cheek, going the extra mile, etc.? That almost sounds like looking for trouble to me...

Also, doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible that Jesus experienced every kind of trial that we do? I can't remember the reference right now, but maybe someone else knows what I'm trying to think of. If this is true, then how could He not have known the pain of being wrong about someone you thought you knew better?

~~Cheryl

 
  :scratch:

ZiSunka · Dec 3, 2002

Actually, it's looking for peace, not trouble. And it doesn't say that he experienced every kind of trouble we do, but that he experienced every kind of temptation we do. And even then, it doesn't say that we have to experience everything he experienced.

"We have a chief priest who is able to sympathize with our weaknesses. He was tempted in every way that we are, but he didn't sin." Hebrews 4:15

LuckyCharm · Dec 3, 2002

Originally posted by lambslove
Actually, it's looking for peace, not trouble.

You make a lot of sense, LL, and I appreciate your swift reply! Bear with me, though, if I indulge in a little (perhaps-too-literal?) interpretation of Jesus' commands...

I imagine myself standing before Him one day after I leave this plane. He asks me to tell Him the story of "X," who I cut off from my friendship after I discovered that he was sharing my private secrets with third parties behind my back. "Well, Lord, I terminated our friendship. He was untrustworthy."

"Did I not choose as a friend someone who was untrustworthy?" He might ask me. "I didn't turn him away -- why would you? What did you think I meant when I told you to turn the other cheek, go the extra mile, take up your cross, deny yourself, and follow Me?"

And it doesn't say that he experienced every kind of trouble we do, but that he experienced every kind of temptation we do. And even then, it doesn't say that we have to experience everything he experienced.

 

Well, certainly not everyone is called to crucifixion, for example, but are we not expected to meet every circumstance as He did, according to the example He set? 

"We have a chief priest who is able to sympathize with our weaknesses. He was tempted in every way that we are, but he didn't sin." Hebrews 4:15

That's the one! Thanks...! *thumbs up*

~~Cheryl

ChristDied4U! · Dec 3, 2002

I think Jesus knew about it before it went down. Someone had to do it...and Jesus allowed it to be done. He could have stopped it...had he wanted to...told his disciples to be careful and watch their temptations for the next few days to come...but he didn't. I think it was time for Jesus to be crucified for our sins...and this was the only way in which it could be done.

adam332 · Dec 3, 2002

Lucky Charm,
you said;
"doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible that Jesus experienced every kind of trial that we do?"

I believe it does say something very close to that effect, though I cannot think of it at this moment. But, I have found one that implies essentially the same thing by using Christ during last days as a comparison with the suffering that we are to face.

James 5:10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

Outspoken · Dec 4, 2002

Depends, at what point in his life are we talking about?

seebs · Dec 4, 2002

Lambslove seems to have nailed it. I think it's theologically questionable to claim that *any* given thing was not known to Jesus. What does this mean for us? Well, certainly, if someone's betrayal of me is a necessary component of my plan to save the souls of everyone who has ever lived, I will probably be friends with them anyway. Otherwise, I'm not sure it's quite comparable.

Defender of the Faith 777 · Dec 5, 2002

You bet He did. In fact, He told Him to go and do it! Not that He supernaturally commanded it, but He allowed it.

He wanted to clear up the misconception that He was a martyr, caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.

He was a Savior, who willingly took it upon Himself.

* kittie * · Dec 9, 2002

Originally posted by Defender of the Faith 777
You bet He did. In fact, He told Him to go and do it! Not that He supernaturally commanded it, but He allowed it.

He wanted to clear up the misconception that He was a martyr, caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.

He was a Savior, who willingly took it upon Himself.

exactly.

and it's so awesome that even though Jesus knew that Judas would do this...he still chose him as one of his disciples.  chose to befriend him.

OldShepherd · Dec 9, 2002

Originally posted by blueiverson
exactly.

and it's so awesome that even though Jesus knew that Judas would do this...he still chose him as one of his disciples.  chose to befriend him.

Trivia. The characters down the left side of your picture spell Eunice in Korean.

* kittie * · Dec 9, 2002

i would give you blessings for the "trivia", but you have like 99424 already

wow...how'd you know that?

OldShepherd · Dec 10, 2002

Originally posted by blueiverson
i would give you blessings for the "trivia", but you have like 99424 already
wow...how'd you know that?

Been married to a Korean for over 2 decades and attending Korean churches for the same. It kinda rubs off on you.

Defender of the Faith 777 · Dec 10, 2002

And you know Greek as well:

meizona tautes agapen oudeis exei ina tis ten psuxen auton the uker ton philon auton.

Something about love and your brother. That's about all I got LOL!

OldShepherd · Dec 11, 2002

Originally posted by Defender of the Faith 777
And you know Greek as well:

meizona tautes agapen oudeis exei ina tis ten psuxen auton the uker ton philon auton.

Something about love and your brother. That's about all I got LOL!

+Hebrew, German, and a smattering of Spanish. "Greater love hath no man than this that he will lay down his life for a friend."

JesusServant · Dec 13, 2002

Originally posted by OldShepherd
+Hebrew, German, and a smattering of Spanish. "Greater love hath no man than this that he will lay down his life for a friend."

I wish you could pass that knowledge of Hebrew over to me, that would rock

OT - Anyone see the Judas special on the History channel last night?  I think it's been on before too.  I saw what I could flipping over from Taken during the many commercials.  Seemed like a decent study of Judas.

LuckyCharm · Dec 23, 2002

Originally posted by blueiverson
exactly.

and it's so awesome that even though Jesus knew that Judas would do this...he still chose him as one of his disciples.  chose to befriend him.

Interesting observation.... Do you think Jesus would have us "go and do likewise"? Actively seek out people who we know will hurt us, to take into our inner circles of friendship?

~~Cheryl

Tyler582 · Dec 30, 2002

WHy would u question this, the Bible made it clear that Jesus knew. How else would he tell him.

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