An In-Law Rant...

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Warning: This is a rant. I am in the process of dealing with the situation and my husband is doing what he can. I just had to talk about it SOMEWHERE.
My mother-in-law was diagnosed with brain cancer about three weeks ago. My 15 year old sister-in-law was driving her into town when she started having something like a stroke, so she just drove her to the hospital. We came as soon as we heard. My father-in-law was there when we got there. Complained about being tired and took my sister-in-law home around 6-ish. We stayed through visiting hours. I spent a majority of the time that my husband visited with her calling the church, calling my mom (her best friend), her work, everyone I could think that need to be told.
When we got home my SIL called and said she wanted to be there at the beginning of visiting hours. My husbands work was swamped and he's their best guy so I took the day off and got to the hospital early. My FIL didn't show up until noon (He HAD to go out to breakfast and run errands [not the kind that need to be done right away or anything- like, getting the mower ready, checking the oil in a car they aren't driving...]) asked me if I wanted to go out to lunch, I turned him down so he went himself, came back around 1, and then left at 2 so he could mow the lawn.
Now I know, he might be in denial, he's never liked doctors and doesn't believe in regular medicine and hospitals suck. I know that people deal with things their own ways. But read on.
So the next morning she has surgery to remove a baseball size tumor. A 4 hour surgery with 1 hour preparing for the ICU. Well, at 4 1/2 hours my FIL goes out to lunch again. She gets out of surgery and we can hear her talking all the way down the hall saying she wants to kiss her "wonderful husband" and we had to explain to a broken hearted, slightly drugged up lady that her husband was gone.
He has a hearing problem, so the nurses would tell him things while she was in the hospital and he would agree and then do the EXACT opposite. When she got to leave, they asked us to wait for a person to help her out to the car, and he started leaving the room. If my SIL hadn't stepped in his way and not moved, he wouldn't have stopped even after we were all protesting. When he saw the staples in her head he said it looked like the surgeon wa signing "S for Satan". The first time she walked the hall after the surgery she asked him if he would go with her, he said yes, and she went to the bathroom. While she was in there my husband was going to run down and put some of her flowers in the car. FIL HAD to go with. He missed the walk with his wife.
She was told to get her own balance (having someone hold her just in case) and then start walking. He "holds" her on her tiptoes so she is horrified because she can't find her balance. He doesn't listen because he can't hear and he doesn't care.

I'm sorry to flip out and rant but I had to talk about it. If it wasn't for the fact that we are to respect our elders and I'm just an in-law, he would know how I feel (he already kind of does, I tell him when he isn't listening). My husband and I agree that he is just stuborn... and honestly, I don't care if this is how he "deals" with it... his WIFE was in the hospital with BRAIN CANCER. It wasn't about him.
Then afterwards the pastor is at their house and I walk in as he's praying with my in-laws and he prays for the "heavy burden to be lifted off" of my FIL! What heavy burden? The burden of knowing he's been a jerk this whole time?
DH has promised this is something he will not inherit from his father and I'm so glad. My husband is stuborn like his dad in a lot of things, but my husband shows he loves me more when I'm healthy than he did when his wife could have been dying. She has been so patient and so has my SIL who is trying so hard to take care of her mother at home while her dad just keeps messing things up (moving the medicine so they don't know where it is... leaving messes that she has to manuever with a walker... complaining that no one is cooking dinner... etc.) We are an hour away and both work so we call daily and see if my SIL needs major help, as my MIL is just a sweet heart and wouldn't complain if you punched her in the nose.
Okay, so I'm done ranting now. Sorry if this made anyone angry at me, I know there are people who are understanding of his situation, which I'm cool with. If he needed some time alone, or what not, that would have been fine. But he was out of line and his age and hearing problems are just excuses. So I'm done!:sorry:
 

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I know how flustrating IL's can be. Come on over to the In-Law Do and Don't thread anytime you need to vent. There's quite a few of us on here who understand how frustrating they can be.

How is your MIL doing now? Did they get all of the cancer out? Does she still have to go in for treatment?

Kudos to you, your hubby, and your SIL for being there for her. :) even though your FIL doesn't seem to care too much...
 
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*hug* Very sorry for all your family is going through.

My mom was in the hospital 1 1/2 years ago with cancer. We were told that she wasn't going to make it through the night. My father didthe same thing your FIL did. I really think the thought of his wife, my mom, being in the hospital freaked him out. He couldn't think straight, and there were times he would just walk out to do something. My Aunt who had just retired of 40plus years of being an RN said people can go through that. It's not being terrible about the situation, but sometimes they may not realize what they're doing. It's like their brain goes into shock on hearing devastating news. There was one point when my mom was literally about to take her last few breaths, my dad popped up and said he needed to get home and take a shower. We (me and my siblings) were kinda firm with him, but we told him "no", that he needed to stay. Later he admitted that he didn't realize what he was doing but was glad we told him to sit back down.

I know the situation may be different than my dad's but after going through this kinda thing, I feel for him. I also feel for your family...it's a scary thing to hear and go through. People really react in strange ways and can behave just as strangely when they get news like that.

I'm glad she's doing good right now....how's your FIL doing?

Sorry for rambling...:) To hear things like this makes me emotional and feel sad about things like that...cancer related.
 
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Many people have a hard time seeing their most loved one in a hospital gown. I watched my sister die, and my father 5 weeks later. We have a large family and sI watched many people react differently. Some just do not have coping skills for that.

While it should not be about them, but all about our loved one in the hospital, I wouldn't be too quick to condem him. I'll bet his heart was breaking and he was scared to death.
 
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I'm sorry your family is going through this. I really admire the way you're taking such good care of your MIL.

Some people have trouble coping with the serious illness of a loved one. However, there's a difference between neglecting someone and actively hindering someone. What you describe--"hiding" her medicine", leaving obstacles in her way, etc.--doesn't sound like mere failure to cope. It sounds like your FIL either has some mental issues of his own, or a great deal of hidden hostility toward his wife. I'm glad you're there to help keep an eye on them both.
 
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I totally understand your frustration, but I agree that it's possible the events were just too much for him to handle and he couldn't do anything other than what he did.

I concur. Don't judge your FIL because you're not in his shoes. He comes from a different time and generation, and he is handling this in his own way. My advice is don't worry about how other people react. Concern yourself on how you react to the situation, and show your in-laws love kindness, and respect during this difficult time.

Hope everything goes well in the future for you're MIL.
 
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Again if you read my original post..."Now I know, he might be in denial, he's never liked doctors and doesn't believe in regular medicine and hospitals suck. I know that people deal with things their own ways. But read on.". And I'm not trying to judge him, we have been nothing but sweet to the man (which is why I'm on here because I would probably lose it towards him if I didn't say anything to anyone) I'm worried about my mother-in-law. With him "handling it his own way" and things of that sort, he is killing her. She was given a 2-3 month prognosis without treatment, 2-3 years otherwise. Someone else has to drive her to her appointments because he refuses, he doesn't think she needs it even after seeing the cancer already growing back. He still hides her medicine (the medicine that stops seizures and the pills that stop brain swelling) and makes her take his herbal pills-- he's convinced they will heal her (we've checked with the doctor and they won't hurt anything, so at least that is okay). The thing is, we don't want him to regret anything he's done to hurt his wife since this has happened or ruin any relationships he may need later (like his kids), because the chances are pretty high that this cancer will kill her. And eventually, he will regret it. We are going to ask our pastor to talk to him, because like you've all said, this is how he's handling it (whether it's good or not) and maybe he can't fix it himself, he may not even be aware. He needs to know and he won't listen to the "kids" so maybe he'll listen to the pastor.
 
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Perhaps the children should look into bringing the mother into another home, or hire in-home medical treatment. If your FIL isn't receptive to either suggestion, then perhaps one of their children should offer to move in and help "deal with things" temporarily.

I'm no practitioner, but from the experiences I've had with my own family, it sounds like your FIL is experiencing the beginning stages of dementia, short-term memory loss, or has some other grief- or denial-related issues (perhaps related to the severity of your MIL's illness?) which are making reality a far-off, magical place for him. Whatever it is, it doesn't sound like your MIL will do well under current ministrations :( Has anyone spoken with the FIL's physician, to see if maybe he/she can intervene, or just to inform the physician that the man is displaying a reduced capability for functioning?

In your shoes, I'd probably be calling a "family meeting" between siblings to discuss what needs to be done, especially considering MIL will not last long without capable care.

I'm so sorry.
 
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If your FIL had stayed at work the first day because he was the best employee and sent someone instead like your husband did, what would you say of that?

I have trouble reconciling the he's been a jerk his whole life image of your FIL from you with your MIL calling for her dear husband as she got out of surgery. Evidently he's not such a jerk.

Maybe what is happening is your husband confused the responsibility his father felt to raise him and how his father did it with my father is a jerk which he passed on to you and you hold in support of your husband?

I would also point out that your FIL's reaction to the medicine is quite reasonable if he believes what you said he believes.

Summarized the doctor told him his wife will die in a couple of months as things are or I can do surgery and give her drugs and she will die in a bit longer. Either way she dies, and not that long to go. Your FIL doesn't see the medicine as being good for your mother because at least in part the doctor told him even with this medicine your wife will die soon.

He believes that the herbal treatments will cure her. So he is not using the medicine which even the doctor says wll result in her death and he's giving her herbal remedies he believes or has hope will cure her.

He's not doing what he's doing because he is a jerk. He loves his wife and wants to save her.

You believe he is wrong or incorrect in what he is doing, but note, there is no hope for him to save his wife with conventional medicine. He isn't ready to accept that she is dying.

So I would suggest a meeting. And I would approach it a bit differently. I would approach it from the standpoint that if he believes in the herbs, fine. Let's use them. But the medicine should also be used for the very reason that it will give the herbal remedies more time. Hopefully, you can have the support of the doctor on this. I would also hope that you could talk to whomever it is that is telling him to use these herbal remedies and get some support there too that the medicine isn't contrary to the herbs.

With the parent-child dynamic that is so strong in your family, I'm right-you're wrong isn't going to work. Try to find cooperative solutions and present them in a nonconfontational manner.

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Read my whole post, BigNorsk, and you will see that the medicine isn't the only issue. And my husband loves his dad- he has always been stubborn but in the situation she is in refusing to help around the house or give her any extra attention is just awful. I also mentioned that his medicine doesn't conflict with the other treatments, so he's using it and if it heals her that's great- but hiding her medicine from the doctor? Come on, now. And on the first day she was in the hospital, it would have been different if he were his dad. I never once, in any of my posts suggested my FIL was always a jerk. But in this situation, he is. She was getting a headache because he opened a window and he refused to shut it because the "good air was good for her" even though she started crying from the pain, and numerous examples like that are why we are concerned for my mother-in-law, and why we are upset and why we are going to ask the pastor to talk to him (as my husband has tried to do).
 
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I did read your whole post, I read it several times, I read it several times carefully.

I did not think it helpful to try and deal with a whole set of issues at one time, I thought maybe one major issue could be examined and some headway made.

I realize it was a rant and likely you didn't actually want to change anything or do anything to get things changed but I thought maybe you did.

Things didn't get the way that they are in one day and over one reason and they won't all change in a day either.

I thought the mediicine was a good one to start with because it could have a significant effect upon your mother in law, and the quality of her short remaining time.

I realize there is a fair chance from what is going on that your father in law is not well either. Maybe seriously so. But things like dementia, hardening of the arteries and profound loss of hearing are hard to diagnose. Most of what's happening is easily understandable if
he actually doesn't understand what is going on. Just one possible explanation.

I realize that all this is extremely frustrating and there is likely no totally satisfactory thing or things to do.

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I suspect that your FIL is not well. Beyond grief and struggling to find normality, I wonder if everything is functioning well. Is it possible to get him to visit a doctor - perhaps under the guise of a follow up visit for your MIL.

It's all fine and well for an individual to decide that they would rather not live another two years and to stop taking medication. It is not fine if someone else makes that decision for them, including a grief stricken spouse.
 
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So a new update: My mother-in-law is walking and functioning primarily by herself now. She isn't allowed to drive by herself and really shouldn't be left alone, but at least she is able to move around and doesn't need help to the restroom or anything anymore. BUT now, my father-in-law himself is feeling chest pains and is quickly losing weight with no change in his appetite. But he won't go to a doctor for that, either. Our pastor is going to talk to him about it, because again, his stubborn nature won't listen to his children (though all of us sat down, told him we loved him and wanted him to last a long time so he should get this checked out. His pills might help him, but if a doctor can help to, he should let it).
So it's a little frustrating yet.
 
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