Can't have Messianic without Messiah

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In the sports stadiums (particularly in America) it was not uncommon to read "John 3:16" on a sign in the crowded bleachers. This was some time ago. And not a lot of attention was drawn to it even then. It was just there. Now it's rare to see if ever anymore. It was just a blurb. A reminder what is real. But most today do not want to know what is real (in some cases violently so).

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Perhaps it was more platitude than witness. But it is discouraging that folks generally don't seem concerned at all... I'm thinking of the passages in Jeremiah where the Lord laments the people's worldliness in that they do not even know how to blush.

It's a natural condition of man. To slide back into worldliness. To lower our guard and revert back to our wallowing in the mud like a swine and return to the vomit like a dog. Not all things natural are good. We have been sold a bill of goods as far as that goes "all natural." Rather, non-processed is what is good. All natural is seldom good, it requires harvesting and some processing take rice or oats for example. If all natural is so good then potty training ought to be outlawed.

We are called to rise above our natures. To believe in a God our natures cannot even detect. Is homosexuality inborn? I am one who grants that premise but I will not allow it to be used as a cop out. All sin is inborn as far as human beings are concerned. But we are called to rise above it through faith in he who became a man like sinless Adam to lay that life down to pay our sin debt, who rose bodily from the dead so that we through that same faith in him can lock in that state of rising above our natures for all eternity.

And the older I get the less I see of the Messianic effect on society (Christian influence, as it is more commonly known). Admittedly I came here the most recent time (having long been a member of this board) to show people that it's all Messiah, all Messianic, all Jewish, all Israel. But I see it is necessary for us all (including myself) to take elementary refresher courses in the person of the Messiah, Yeshua HaNotzri... because he has been getting left out a lot lately (even here).
 

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John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Sometimes you can gather the weightiness of a statement by taking it in small bites:

For God so loved the world
that he gave his one and only Son,
that whoever believes
that whoever believes
that whoever believes
in him
shall not perish
but have eternal life.
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world,
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world,
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world,
...whoever does not believe stands condemned a l r e a d y
because
he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, and shall not perish and has eternal life.

:amen:

You see, in order to save any, God had to up the stakes. Humanity stands condemned. But God made it so that man could be redeemed from that condemnation, not by might nor by power, but by faith in his Son. And we need to remind ourselves of this every day especially when confronted by those who refuse to believe and try to rub our noses in their disdain.

"You mean I'm going to hell just because I don't believe in Jesus?"

No, everyone was condemned to hell already. But by believing in Yeshua you can be saved from hell. And to make that possible God made it so that man rises or stays fallen based on whether or not they believe in Yeshua.
 
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Thank you for stating the obvious.
It's time to take back the streets here. If we are indeed a Messianic forum and Yeshua is our Messiah it's time to talk about Him like we are a part of Him isn't it.
And He said that since the world hated Him they will hate us too. But it's time to carry His banner with pride. Jew and Gentile echad in Messiah. Olam Haba!
 
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Thank you for stating the obvious.
It's time to take back the streets here. If we are indeed a Messianic forum and Yeshua is our Messiah it's time to talk about Him like we are a part of Him isn't it.
And He said that since the world hated Him they will hate us too. But it's time to carry His banner with pride. Jew and Gentile echad in Messiah. Olam Haba!


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Amen, JohnD!

It's all about Yeshua. There is nothing in life that's more important than being in relationship with Him. He's truly the firm foundation on which I live: he keeps my sanity, he keeps my strength, he keeps my peace. He's the One I can always run to in any fear or problem; he's my Safe Place.
 
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Judaism and Yeshua should be considered one and the same. One day it will be.
I used to believe that , but not anymore, I guess the rose colored glasses of hope eventually come off. From this point in time I can see that Judaism and Yeshua are worlds apart. The Judaism of today is nothing like what Yeshua lived. Nothing. In fact it was even formed after Christianity started and that was after The Way came into being.
 
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OK.. how many verses of the return of Judaism to the truth and living proof that God is in control are there, to show Lulav that God believes in the Jews and Judaism (Yeshua style) will come to fruitation?
If Yeshua weren't G-d and still didn't see everything going on down here, if he came back today he would not recognize Judaism as having any relationship to what he started at Mt Sinai. It just isn't the same thing.

Yeshua didn't just come for the Jews, but all Israel. There was no such thing as Judaism then. Look at the word Juda ism, Ism means 'belief in' or to have manner's like, doctrine, theory or condition of the word preceding it.

Judaism formally applies to the post-Second Temple period. This would be also Post Yeshua resurrection.


The term itself was first used by Hellenized Jews to describe their religious practice, but it is of predominantly modern usage; it is not used in the Bible or in Rabbinic literature and only rarely in the literature of the medieval period.
 
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If Yeshua weren't G-d and still didn't see everything going on down here, if he came back today he would not recognize Judaism as having any relationship to what he started at Mt Sinai. It just isn't the same thing.

Yeshua didn't just come for the Jews, but all Israel. There was no such thing as Judaism then. Look at the word Juda ism, Ism means 'belief in' or to have manner's like, doctrine, theory or condition of the word preceding it.

Judaism formally applies to the post-Second Temple period. This would be also Post Yeshua resurrection.


The term itself was first used by Hellenized Jews to describe their religious practice, but it is of predominantly modern usage; it is not used in the Bible or in Rabbinic literature and only rarely in the literature of the medieval period.
Perhaps we should go back to calling it what it was then.... Derekh HaShem. That way it'd be distinguishable from every little group who likes to tack "Judaism" onto their name to make them seem like the real thing, when in reality, all they seek to do is replace it. And while we're at it, we're gonna roll back the clock to the 4th Cent. and return to being a missionary faith. After all, that is our job right? To spread the light of Torah to those living in darkness.
 
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Perhaps we should go back to calling it what it was then.... Derekh HaShem. That way it'd be distinguishable from every little group who likes to tack "Judaism" onto their name to make them seem like the real thing, when in reality, all they seek to do is replace it. And while we're at it, we're gonna roll back the clock to the 4th Cent. and return to being a missionary faith. After all, that is our job right? To spread the light of Torah to those living in darkness.
Not a bad proposal... actually it is quite good.. :amen: although it probably would be better to go back to the 1st century.
 
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