Obama Forced to Explain "Typical White Person"
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That's not at all what he believes or how his reasoning works.
Are you saying that there is no feeling of general discomfort that the average white person has around people from other cultures or who are different than they are?
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What bothers me is that this guy calls himself a Christian, and anyone would call him a pastor or Reverend. How can an entire race of people be so deceived?
Listening to him was like listening to Hitler. And I'm wondering if a vote for Obama isn't a vote for Nazism.
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I'm not comfortable around most of my own relatives, so I don't think comfort is a good thing to gauge racism by.
I know he doesn't think his reasoning works that way, but I don't like that he thinks I might be even .00000000000001 percent racist. People should be treated as good and decent individuals (not grouped by religion or race or gender) until they prove otherwise.
I know he doesn't think his reasoning works that way, but I don't like that he thinks I might be even .00000000000001 percent racist. People should be treated as good and decent individuals (not grouped by religion or race or gender) until they prove otherwise.
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What bothers me is that this guy calls himself a Christian, and anyone would call him a pastor or Reverend. How can an entire race of people be so deceived?
Listening to him was like listening to Hitler. And I'm wondering if a vote for Obama isn't a vote for Nazism.
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I don't see what Christianity, or pastors, or a deceived people have to do with this.
The only people I see is foolish people who believe they are racists when they couldn't tell me one time in their entire lives when they did something racist.
Suppose you have two groups of people who stick to their groups and there exists an awkward tension between the two groups. You can't blame anyone for what exists until someone steps out and does something wrong to the other group. You have to give the groups time to integrate and deal with cases of discrimination as they arise.
Suppose one group feels guilty for the tension, and the other group notices this guilt.Then the group who notices the guilt begins to make demands on the other group for what exists between them. Is this right, or fair? Of course not. The group who was ashamed needed to be edified, and the group who thought they should have an advantage should be put back in their place.
There has to be a balance. Just because there was inequality in the past doesn't mean it should be corrected with another inequality. Two wrongs don't make a right.
The only people I see is foolish people who believe they are racists when they couldn't tell me one time in their entire lives when they did something racist.
Suppose you have two groups of people who stick to their groups and there exists an awkward tension between the two groups. You can't blame anyone for what exists until someone steps out and does something wrong to the other group. You have to give the groups time to integrate and deal with cases of discrimination as they arise.
Suppose one group feels guilty for the tension, and the other group notices this guilt.Then the group who notices the guilt begins to make demands on the other group for what exists between them. Is this right, or fair? Of course not. The group who was ashamed needed to be edified, and the group who thought they should have an advantage should be put back in their place.
There has to be a balance. Just because there was inequality in the past doesn't mean it should be corrected with another inequality. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Well, it's more complicated than that. Just because you don't believe you're not racist, that doesn't mean you don't have your own prejudices. (I'm not saying you're racist here). It's easy for people for to speak in idealistic terms that we should treat each other as decent individuals and not be grouped by gender, class, race, etc. But in reality, there no real way of looking past these things. Because race for example is the first thing people see.
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PassionFruit, It's not that I don't believe there are some blind spots in people's vision, it's just that I don't believe those blind spots should be a starting point.
If you don't base the foundation of your mind on the goodness of all people without regard for prejudice, you are basing the decisions you make on the worst in people and not the best.
To base all your thinking on the worst and not on the best in people is the kind of extreme pessimism that marks all tyranny.
If you don't base the foundation of your mind on the goodness of all people without regard for prejudice, you are basing the decisions you make on the worst in people and not the best.
To base all your thinking on the worst and not on the best in people is the kind of extreme pessimism that marks all tyranny.
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You don't? I can't believe it. You mean this house of Satan can pass for the church in the black community, and no one can see it?
We're all sinners. Anyone who says they are not racist is a liar. The majority of blacks voted for Obama because he's black. And the whites who voted for him, voted for him because he is a viable black candidate; non threatening. Remember the O.J. trial? Blacks couldn't care less about white people.
The two groups in this case have very little in common, and I don't think anyone cares about integrating. Even when they are forced together into one school, for example, they separate.
Where do you get the idea that anyone feels guilty for the tension? The tension is being created by people like this preacher.
This whole situation reminds me of the conflict between the Jews and the Palestinians. I like Obama. Maybe he really believes he can unite everyone, but I don't see it happening.
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I guess is comes down to who believes they are a racist and who doesn't. I am not a racist. You are a racist. I am not a racist because I don't believe black people are any different than I am. You are a racist because you believe that you have no control over bias in your life.
So then the proverb is true
Pro 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he
And speaking of the issue of sin, Look at the story of David and Bathsheba. When he committed that great sin, tell me, who was the sin against? No, it wasn't against Bathsheba, no it wasn't against the husband he killed, it was against God and God alone because everything he had had NOTHING to do with the people giving it to him. God gave David all of Israel because he stood righteous before him.
So then, where does that leave the issue of 'reparations'? I believe in the restoration of equality if that is what people mean by reparations, but anything beyond that, no.
And tensions between groups, well, you seemed to miss the point if the explanations.
So then the proverb is true
Pro 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he
And speaking of the issue of sin, Look at the story of David and Bathsheba. When he committed that great sin, tell me, who was the sin against? No, it wasn't against Bathsheba, no it wasn't against the husband he killed, it was against God and God alone because everything he had had NOTHING to do with the people giving it to him. God gave David all of Israel because he stood righteous before him.
So then, where does that leave the issue of 'reparations'? I believe in the restoration of equality if that is what people mean by reparations, but anything beyond that, no.
And tensions between groups, well, you seemed to miss the point if the explanations.
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You're not racist? If you say so. Europeans have a long history of accomplishments in the arts and sciences that blacks can only envy. How can you deny it? It's not a matter of control. Racism isn't a moral issue. It's not even a sin. If you think racism is a sin, then it's a sin for you. The sin of inequality is in your head. You're right when it comes to believing what is false, and to violence, you are no better than the black man.
What Bible are you using?
Killing is a sin. And so is adultery. I don't know what you mean by sinning against God as opposed to sinning against man I guess. Sin is breaking God's law. That's why the law is called the law of sin and death.
But there was no equality so how can you restore it? The whole idea of equality in the Constitution was that some people were not born to rule over others; the monarchy and noble birth. There was an implication that slavery was wrong, and there was a war, and the slaves were set free. Now the descendants of the slaves want to get paid for the work that their ancestors did. But payment was made; to the slave traders, and in blood during the Civil war. And we've been paying for it by putting up with their rioting and violence for far too long. If all they want is money, sure, I would give it to them. But I don't think it will make them equal.
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You're not racist? If you say so. Europeans have a long history of accomplishments in the arts and sciences that blacks can only envy. How can you deny it? It's not a matter of control. Racism isn't a moral issue. It's not even a sin. If you think racism is a sin, then it's a sin for you. The sin of inequality is in your head. You're right when it comes to believing what is false, and to violence, you are no better than the black man.
What Bible are you using? Proverbs 23:7 doesn't say that.
Killing is a sin. And so is adultery. I don't know what you mean by sinning against God as opposed to sinning against man I guess. Sin is breaking God's law. That's why the law is called the law of sin and death.
But there was no equality so how can you restore it? The whole idea of equality in the Constitution was that some people were not born to rule over others; the monarchy and noble birth. There was an implication that slavery was wrong, and there was a war, and the slaves were set free. Now the descendants of the slaves want to get paid for the work that their ancestors did. But payment was made; to the slave traders, and in blood during the Civil war. And we've been paying for it by putting up with their rioting and violence for far too long. If all they want is money, sure, I would give it to them. But I don't think it will make them equal.
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I was thinking about this from another side this morning. Just the other day, I was asking one of my bosses if he remembered a lady named Kim who was in one of my classes at school. He WHISPERED, "Is she (whispered part) African American?"
Sometimes, I wonder if white folks think they are not racist simply because they are afraid of saying things outloud anymore. Could it be that racism is just a dominant as ever but is squashed down or is talked about only when the person is sure of the group?
I call black people black. Should I stop that? I call white people white. Should I stop that? (Sidebar here having nothing to do with the above) This is something else I was thinking about this morning.
I never cared for politically correct. It seems to be an overcompensation and an attempt to prove you are not a racist. It feels as if you need to prove it, then, you probably are at least a little bit.
I have caught myself in that trap before, talking to black people and explaining in some way how I am not a racist. I guess I even did that during these discussion when I went the distance explaining my own heritage.
I feel like the best I can do is to continue to examine myself. I know I have biases and prejudices. I do my best to find them and get rid of them. It may take a lifetime to accomplish, I don't know.
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"You're not racist? If you say so."
So essentially your calling me a racist because people with white skin invented more things? I just don't see the logic.
You connected race to the idea of sin here:
"We're all sinners. Anyone who says they are not racist is a liar."
I am judging you by your own words, you are not edifying me. So go ahead and continue to believe you are a racist, and teach other people they are too. It's not for me to say what people are, their own words will condemn them.
So essentially your calling me a racist because people with white skin invented more things? I just don't see the logic.
You connected race to the idea of sin here:
"We're all sinners. Anyone who says they are not racist is a liar."
I am judging you by your own words, you are not edifying me. So go ahead and continue to believe you are a racist, and teach other people they are too. It's not for me to say what people are, their own words will condemn them.
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FWIW
Proverbs 23:6-7 Do not eat the bread of a man who is stingy; do not desire his delicacies; for he is like one who is inwardly reckoning. "Eat and drink!" he says to you; but his heart is not with you.
Proverbs 23:6-7 Do not eat the bread of a man who is stingy; do not desire his delicacies; for he is like one who is inwardly reckoning. "Eat and drink!" he says to you; but his heart is not with you.
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Obama just keeps digging that hole.
To justify the racist remarks of his disgraced mentor Jeremiah Wright, he makes out his own grandmother to be a racist too, in the name of moral equivalence.
This is not an unusual argument. The best defense is a good offense after all, and if granny gets a little bit bloodied in the process,well, at least the focus is no longer on his tolerance of JW's unpatriotic bigotry and racism. The focus is now on the evil of white racism. There is nothing to be politically lost if the focus remains there. Now if anyone argues against him, they will be on the side of the white racists, won't they?....
...."But what about you dear old gramma
, 'Bama", one might ask him? So, to justify how he could do this to his own dear grandmother, he justified himself by excusing her behavior as being 'typical' for whites.
("Nuthin' personal grams, you was just bein' white. That's who u r, that what u b").
But given that he used his grandmother as an example of a racist in the first place(to establish the moral equivalence in his initial argument, remeber
), we can assume that that if her behavior is 'typically' white, then he in effect just sterotyped all white people as being tyically racist.
And with that the circle is closed and he is right back there in the arms of the racist Jeremiah Wright, who again is his legitimate mentor.
So much for bringing the country together, as you promised you would Mr. Barrack.
To justify the racist remarks of his disgraced mentor Jeremiah Wright, he makes out his own grandmother to be a racist too, in the name of moral equivalence.
This is not an unusual argument. The best defense is a good offense after all, and if granny gets a little bit bloodied in the process,well, at least the focus is no longer on his tolerance of JW's unpatriotic bigotry and racism. The focus is now on the evil of white racism. There is nothing to be politically lost if the focus remains there. Now if anyone argues against him, they will be on the side of the white racists, won't they?....
...."But what about you dear old gramma
, 'Bama", one might ask him? So, to justify how he could do this to his own dear grandmother, he justified himself by excusing her behavior as being 'typical' for whites.("Nuthin' personal grams, you was just bein' white. That's who u r, that what u b").
But given that he used his grandmother as an example of a racist in the first place(to establish the moral equivalence in his initial argument, remeber
), we can assume that that if her behavior is 'typically' white, then he in effect just sterotyped all white people as being tyically racist.And with that the circle is closed and he is right back there in the arms of the racist Jeremiah Wright, who again is his legitimate mentor.
So much for bringing the country together, as you promised you would Mr. Barrack.
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Obama just keeps digging that hole.
To justify the racist remarks of his disgraced mentor Jeremiah Wright, he makes out his own grandmother to be a racist too, in the name of moral equivalence.
This is not an unusual argument. The best defense is a good offense after all, and if granny gets a little bit bloodied in the process,well, at least the focus is no longer on his tolerance of JW's unpatriotic bigotry and racism. The focus is now on the evil of white racism. There is nothing to be politically lost if the focus remains there. Now if anyone argues against him, they will be on the side of the white racists, won't they?....
...."But what about you dear old gramma
("Nuthin' personal grams, you was just bein' white. That's who u r, that what u b").
But given that he used his grandmother as an example of a racist in the first place(to establish the moral equivalence in his initial argument, remeber
And with that the circle is closed and he is right back there in the arms of the racist Jeremiah Wright, who again is his legitimate mentor.
So much for bringing the country together, as you promised you would Mr. Barrack.
Careful dude, you're liable to get in trouble 'round here with that line of thinkin...
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There's too much reason in this post. I think it should be deleted.Obama just keeps digging that hole.
To justify the racist remarks of his disgraced mentor Jeremiah Wright, he makes out his own grandmother to be a racist too, in the name of moral equivalence.
This is not an unusual argument. The best defense is a good offense after all, and if granny gets a little bit bloodied in the process,well, at least the focus is no longer on his tolerance of JW's unpatriotic bigotry and racism. The focus is now on the evil of white racism. There is nothing to be politically lost if the focus remains there. Now if anyone argues against him, they will be on the side of the white racists, won't they?....
...."But what about you dear old gramma
("Nuthin' personal grams, you was just bein' white. That's who u r, that what u b").
But given that he used his grandmother as an example of a racist in the first place(to establish the moral equivalence in his initial argument, remeber
And with that the circle is closed and he is right back there in the arms of the racist Jeremiah Wright, who again is his legitimate mentor.
So much for bringing the country together, as you promised you would Mr. Barrack.
<--- sarcasm to the extreme
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