Question time. Jesus returns before or after 1000yrs

Christ returns on the morning of the 3rd day which is right about now. The word of the Lord will go out from Jerusalem. While the devil is bound Jesus will reign with justice and righteousness even though there will be sin, disobedience, and death. He will reign until He has put everything under His feet...for the entire millenium.

HisdaughterJen said:

Christ returns on the morning of the 3rd day which is right about now. The word of the Lord will go out from Jerusalem. While the devil is bound Jesus will reign with justice and righteousness even though there will be sin, disobedience, and death. He will reign until He has put everything under His feet...for the entire millenium.

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Hi Jen. The only word that goes out from Jerusalem today is Judaism, not the Word of Jesus. I could be mistaken though.

Notice in John 7:1 where it said JESUS walked in the Galilee more than He did Judea. The main reason He would be in Judea is that is where the temple of the Apostate murderous Judean rulers/priesthood were.
Make sure every one that post votes. Thanks.

Matthew 4:15 Land of Zabulon and land of Nephthalim, way-of sea, across the Jordan, Galilee/galilaia <1056> of-the Nations/eqnwn <1484>: [Isaiah 9:1]

John 7:1 And was walking, the Jesus, after these in the Galilee/galilaia <1056>; for not He willed in the Judea to be walking, that the Judeans sought Him to kill.

I seem to find myself agreeing with what garry2 in post 18 has said and I think I can expand upon that .

God talks about there being a rest for the people of God and that they shall enter his rest and that there are others who shall not enter that rest.

We all know about the 6 days work and one day rest thing , and i'm fairly sure that we are historicly somewhere around the 6000 yr mark sinse adam.

And so I follow the 6 day = 6000 year scenario , with the one day rest period yet to occure.

Hey Steve....

I believe that Christ arrives right at the cusp of the Millennium.....at it's inception.


and my understanding of Ez40-48 tells me that there will definitely be some time between the Coming, and the final judgement....

although I do not believe that anyone will be leaving after Christ arrives.......as PK seems to believe...


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Personally it does not matter to me. If one life's a Christian life, then it doesn't matter when Christ returns. IMO.

Peace

More date setting...hasn't worked yet....folks been at it since Pentecost.

Tonks said:

More date setting...hasn't worked yet....folks been at it since Pentecost.

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Its ok Tonks please don't be scared. what will be is what will be.

On the issue of "entering his rest", I believe that the author of Hebrews teaches us that if we are in Christ, we have entered that rest.

I believe that Christ returns after the 1,000 years. I believe that 1,000 years is symbolic. I believe that the "binding" of Satan and the "bottomless pit" are symbolic. I believe that Christ taught us that Satan was bound when He first came, and I believe He was speaking symbolically there as well. I don't believe that Rev 20 necessarily happens chronologically after Rev 19. I don't think that ANY of Rev has to happen chronologically after any other part of Rev. In fact, I think that much of Rev may be the same thing repeated multiple times, just in different ways (notice I said that that MAY BE, not that it is).

I don't believe that Revelation teaches us anything new that was not already revealed. God will judge the wicked and reward the righteous. Those who persecute God's people will be punished for it. Christ is reigning. Satan is "bound". "We have come to...the New Jerusalem" (Heb 12), and that is symbolically described. I don't believe that there is any new doctrine in Revelation. Rather, it describes what Christ has already revealed to us, but in a different way. And it's described that way for the benefit of the persecuted Christians.

I believe that Christ returns after the 1,000 years. I believe that 1,000 years is symbolic.

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So you are saying He returns Twice? You share the Roman church's view then.

Give me your view of Who that is in Reve 19:11

1 Thessalonians 3:13 Into the stand-fast of ye, the hearts/kardiaV blamebless in together-holiness before the God and Father of us in the Parousia <3952> of the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, with all of the holy-ones of Him.

Reve 19:11 And I perceived the heaven having be opened and Lo! A horse, white and the One sitting on it/him being called Faithful-one and True-one and in justice He is judging and is battling.

Evaluating Premillennialism: Part II - Christ&#8217;s Return and the Rapture by Cornelis P. Venema

No evaluation of Dispensational Premillennialism may ignore its teaching of a two-phased return of Christ, the first phase of which is commonly known as the rapture.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Hi Jen. The only word that goes out from Jerusalem today is Judaism, not the Word of Jesus. I could be mistaken though.

Notice in John 7:1 where it said JESUS walked in the Galilee more than He did Judea. The main reason He would be in Judea is that is where the temple of the Apostate murderous Judean rulers/priesthood were.
Make sure every one that post votes. Thanks.

Matthew 4:15 Land of Zabulon and land of Nephthalim, way-of sea, across the Jordan, Galilee/galilaia <1056> of-the Nations/eqnwn <1484>: [Isaiah 9:1]

John 7:1 And was walking, the Jesus, after these in the Galilee/galilaia <1056>; for not He willed in the Judea to be walking, that the Judeans sought Him to kill.

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You missed my point. The Ethiopian Coptic Church just celebrated the year 2000 in September. They have been keeping their own calendar and records and didn't change with the Catholic Church. So, by all accounts, it has officially been 2000 years since Christ was born.

It is officially the morning of the 3rd day (just like the day when God came down to meet with the consecrated people whom Moses leads in Exodus 19) by all accounts.

Jesus will appear at any moment (since it is the morning of the 3rd day of 1000 years) to lead those who have been consecrated or who have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb (believers in Christ) to Himself.

That's what I was saying.

Once Christ sets his foot on the Mt of Olives (Zech 14) after judgment and wrath, He will reign from Jerusalem. The law of the Lord will go out from Jerusalem.

Isa 2:3Many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths." The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

Tonks said:

More date setting...hasn't worked yet....folks been at it since Pentecost.

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Prophetic...

2Pe 3:3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
2Pe 3:4 They will say, &#8220;Where is this &#8216;coming&#8217; he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.&#8221;


To clarify...Tonks, I know you aren't scoffing at the idea of Jesus' coming, just at the idea that some are on the lookout.

LittleLambofJesus said:

So you are saying He returns Twice? You share the Roman church's view then.

Give me your view of Who that is in Reve 19:11

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Whoever else shares my view is inconsequential.

I think that my post that you quoted ought to have at least some of the answer to your question.

MrSnow said:

I don't believe that Rev 20 necessarily happens chronologically after Rev 19. I don't think that ANY of Rev has to happen chronologically after any other part of Rev.

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Jesus will appear at any moment (since it is the morning of the 3rd day of 1000 years) to lead those who have been consecrated or who have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb (believers in Christ) to Himself.

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But in the meantime, let us all spread the Good-Message of JESUS and His Father to all the world focus on living In Him.

Matthew 24:6 "Ye shall be being about yet to be hearing battles and hearings of battles. Be seeing no be being alarmed; for it is binding to be becoming, but not as yet is The Finish/End/teloV <5056>
13 "The yet one enduring to a finish/end/teloV <5056>, this-one shall be being saved/swqhsetai <4982> (5701).
14 and shall be being proclaimed this, the Good-News of the Kingdom, in the habited-house/oikoumenh <3625>, into a Testimony to all the Nations; and then shall be arriving The Finish/End/teloV <5056>.

Reve 16:17 and the seventh one pours out the bowl of him upon the air and came out voice, great, out of the sanctuary from the throne saying :it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754).

Reve 21:6 And He said to me: "it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754). I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. I, to the one thirsting, shall be giving out of the spring of the water of the life gratuitously.

No doubt in my mind, 1st he comes for the church, before the millennium.

1Thes 4:17
...we who are still alive will...meet the Lord in the air.





Then, it seems he comes later from either the north, the south, or the east ?

Job 37:22
Out of the north he comes in golden splendor; God comes in awesome majesty.

Deut 33:2
The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south , from his mountain slopes.

Ezek 43:2
And I saw the glory of the God of Israel coming from the east...





When he gets here, I think his first stop is Mt Olives, then on to Mt Zion?

Zech 14:4
On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem....
Then the LORD God will come, and all the holy ones with him [to Mount Zion?]

Now is that one coming (Mt Olives), or is that two (Mt Zion)?


Ezekiel sees Shekinah coming from the east [Mt Olives ?] to Mt Zion (Ezek 43:2)





And he may come first in his own glory, and later in his Father's glory ?

Matt 25:31.
When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him,
he will sit upon his glorious throne, and all the nations will be assembled before him.

Matt 16:27.
For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory,
and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct.






And his presence may not be visible to the world when he first comes?

Matt 24:26
...So if they say to you, 'He is in the desert", do not go there;
if they say, 'He is in the inner rooms', do not believe it".

Like his apparitions to his disciples (Mark 16:12, Luke 24:36, John 24:19).





We know he left in cloud of glory and will return in Cloud of Glory, the Shekinah.

Just as the Shekinah was with Israel for 1000 years [aprox 1600 BC to 600 BC]
and was rarely visible to them, so too will it be when the LORD returns.

IMO, His presence on Mt Olives will be invisible throughout the millennium.

After the millennium, his Shekinah Glory will appear on Mt Zion (Ezek 43:2)

then the Shekinah Glory will be visible throughout the Messianic Age (Isaiah 4:5)

Coming of the Shekinah Glory


No doubt in my mind, 1st he comes for the church, before the millennium.

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Thanks for your post.

2 Thess 2:11 and thru this is sending them, the God/YHWH, an in-working of-deception/planhV <4106>, into the to believe them to the Falsehood/yeudei <5579>.
12 that they may be being judged all the ones not believing to the Truth, but delighting in the injustice

Matt 24:16 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 "Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 "And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

Hmmm. Looking at the number of votes so far, I guess this topic doesn't interest most here.
I had it up on the CT board for a wider audience, but the powers that be moved it over here.

saint2 said:

And he may come first in his own glory, and later in his Father's glory ?

Matt 25:31.
When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him,
he will sit upon his glorious throne, and all the nations will be assembled before him.

Matt 16:27.
For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory,
and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct.

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Same glory.

And his presence may not be visible to the world when he first comes?

Matt 24:26
...So if they say to you, 'He is in the desert", do not go there;
if they say, 'He is in the inner rooms', do not believe it".

Like his apparitions to his disciples (Mark 16:12, Luke 24:36, John 24:19).

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Mat 24:27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.


Zec 9:14Then the Lord will appear over them; his arrow will flash like lightning. The Sovereign Lord will sound the trumpet; he will march in the storms of the south,


I'm thinking that the whole world will experience some kind of light.

I'm thinking that the whole world will experience some kind of light.

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Hi Jen. I would think they can experience that thru the Word we preach, as JESUS is the Light and as they come to Him, they can read the Bible to gain more Knowledge and Truth of both YHWH and His Christ, Jesus. Thoughts?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Isaiah 60:1 Arise!, shine!; that your light came, and glory of YHWH on you He radiates.
2 For behold!, the darkness is covering land, and gross-darkness peoples; and over you YHWH is being radiant, and His glory over you is appearing.
3 And Nations go to Thy light, and Kings to brightness of thy rising/radiance.

Matt 4:16 The people, the one-sitting in darkness perceived a Light, great.
And/also to-the ones-sitting in part and shadow of death, a Light springs-up to-them.

John 1:3 All-things thru Him became/egeneto <1096> (5633) and apart-from Him became/egeneto <1096> (5633) not-yet one-thing which has become/gegonen <1096> (5754).
4 In Him life was, and the Life was the Light of the men.

only 9 votes so far

LittleLambofJesus said:

only 9 votes so far

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Well, I'd vote but "He comes at the beginning of the millenium" is not an option.