Who are the 12 Tribes of Isreal?

It doesn't matter who the tribes of Israel are anymore...only believers cleansed by the blood of Christ can go to heaven. Your DNA make-up is totally irrelevant!

Also, as of the last destruction of Jerusalem, when all the genealogical records were destroyed, it is impossible for any jew to know what tribe he/she is from...

Romans 9:6-8 (ESV)
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, [7] and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named." [8] This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

The twelve tribes of Israel are just what it says, they are Jews. Since the records of lineage were destroyed, we as humans do not know which Jews belong to which tribe, but God does. That is all that matters. Best wishes.

Originally posted by ladylove
The twelve tribes of Israel are just what it says, they are Jews. Since the records of lineage were destroyed, we as humans do not know which Jews belong to which tribe, but God does. That is all that matters. Best wishes.

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Humans will need to know who is from which tribe if the Temple system is to be restored, for without positive identification of a genetic, Levitic priesthood, it would be impossible.

 

Originally posted by LastDazed
Humans will need to know who is from which tribe if the Temple system is to be restored, for without positive identification of a genetic, Levitic priesthood, it would be impossible.

 

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In other words, genetics is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Patmosman_sga
In other words, genetics is irrelevant.

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LOL, I guess so.

Originally posted by Frank
Also, as of the last destruction of Jerusalem, when all the genealogical records were destroyed, it is impossible for any jew to know what tribe he/she is from...

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Hey Frank,

This may be true, maybe not. You mean they can't do a family tree and find their roots? Oh well, it doesn't matter anyway, because they won't pick themselves. God knows who they are, and when He chooses His chosen ones, they will then become the elect.

The Bible says that we didn't choose Him, but rather He chose us. And He will do the same for them in the tribulation. But this probably doesn't matter for you either, because if my memory serves me correctly, you are another one who believes that the tribulation is part of History's past, correct?? And if that is true, then I have a question for you. If it was already past, then who were the 144,000???

 

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
Hey Frank,

This may be true, maybe not. You mean they can't do a family tree and find their roots? Oh well, it doesn't matter anyway, because they won't pick themselves. God knows who they are, and when He chooses His chosen ones, they will then become the elect.

The Bible says that we didn't choose Him, but rather He chose us. And He will do the same for them in the tribulation. But this probably doesn't matter for you either, because if my memory serves me correctly, you are another one who believes that the tribulation is part of History's past, correct?? And if that is true, then I have a question for you. If it was already past, then who were the 144,000???

 

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We have only one High Priest.  He doesn't have an Israeli passport, he is not serving in a temple made by human hands, and His sacrifice is not by the blood of goats and calves.  He is the son of God, His name is Jesus:

"But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with human hands, that is to say, not of this creation; and not through the blood of goads and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption...for this reason He is the mediator of a NEW COVENANT..." Heb 9

It's a shame that people that call themselves christians negate the sacrifice of Christ by wanting to build a temple made of stone and go back to animal sacrifices that did not cleanse sins.  I hate to break it to you, but I really doubt that God will allow you or anyone else to build another temple, since He already has one that is better and since there is already a High Priest that is far better than any Jew alive...

Originally posted by Frank
We have only one High Priest.  He doesn't have an Israeli passport, he is not serving in a temple made by human hands, and His sacrifice is not by the blood of goats and calves.  He is the son of God, His name is Jesus:

"But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with human hands, that is to say, not of this creation; and not through the blood of goads and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption...for this reason He is the mediator of a NEW COVENANT..." Heb 9

It's a shame that people that call themselves christians negate the sacrifice of Christ by wanting to build a temple made of stone and go back to animal sacrifices that did not cleanse sins.  I hate to break it to you, but I really doubt that God will allow you or anyone else to build another temple, since He already has one that is better and since there is already a High Priest that is far better than any Jew alive...

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Hi Frank,

First, you totally avoided my question. Second, I agree with most of the first to paragraghs. And third, I'm not going to build a new temple, but the Jews will. I won't be here then, and I'm also not Jewish, but even if I was Jewish, I still wouldn't be here because I got Jesus. I'll be seeing ya. Hopefully when I come back you will have my question answered, good luck    

Frank,
Are you still with us?? I didn't mean to make you mad. It was a serious question. I have more of them too, but let's get an answer for this one first.
Frank, I hope you will forgive me for being so harsh with you a few months back.

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
Frank,
Are you still with us?? I didn't mean to make you mad. It was a serious question. I have more of them too, but let's get an answer for this one first.
Frank, I hope you will forgive me for being so harsh with you a few months back.

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rollinTHUNDER, you don't need to apologize...it will take a lot more for someone to hurt my feelings   I cannot make posts in this forum against the forum rules, which is what you are asking me to do.  If you want to contact me privately, I would love to continue this conversation.

Originally posted by Frank
rollinTHUNDER, you don't need to apologize...it will take a lot more for someone to hurt my feelings   I cannot make posts in this forum against the forum rules, which is what you are asking me to do.  If you want to contact me privately, I would love to continue this conversation.

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Frank,

You have already violated the rules, don't worry, it doesn't appear that the rules are being enforced. You have already shown that you believe Revelations is History fulfilled. Now lets apply common sense to this belief. It doesn't take a spiritual mind to find the answer to this. You are ducking the question.

If you believe that the second coming has already occured, and also the 1000 year reign, then somewhere in the last 2000 years after the crucifiction, you should be able to prove that in the History books. Also, you should be able to prove who reigned with Him for those 1000 years, but I don't know of any man that has lived for 1000 years, let alone reign in the Lords Millenial Kingdom. If there was such men, all I want you to do is tell me who they were. We have only been ruled by mere men that die after 60, 70 or 90 years. I think I missed that, and so did our History books. Maybe you can clear this up for me??

 

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
Frank,
If you believe that the second coming has already occured, and also the 1000 year reign, then somewhere in the last 2000 years after the crucifiction, you should be able to prove that in the History books. Also, you should be able to prove who reigned with Him for those 1000 years, but I don't know of any man that has lived for 1000 years, let alone reign in the Lords Millenial Kingdom. If there was such men, all I want you to do is tell me who they were. We have only been ruled by mere men that die after 60, 70 or 90 years. I think I missed that, and so did our History books. Maybe you can clear this up for me??

 

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The 1,000 year reign of Christ cannot possibly be taken literally.  I believe that the "1,000 reign" described by John in Revelation is the interval between AD 30 and AD 70, which happens to be exactly 40 years.  David, who was a type of Christ also reigned for 40 years.  Furthermore, when Israel came out of Egypt, they went through a transition period of 40 years, and at its end, under the leadership of Yeshua (the same name for Joshua, Jesus, Yahwek, Jehova, Salvation) conquered and destroyed the obstacle city of Jericho to reach the promised land.  In the same manner, the Church, after a growth that covered the world, and transition of 40 years, under the leadership of Yeshua, conquered and destroyed the city of Jerusalem in order to reach the antitypical promised land, the REAL promised land, the Kingdom of Christ. The animal sacrifices and the jewish religious system was an obstacle for the Church, and because of the heavy persecution, it threatened its very existence; therefore it had to be done away with.

I don't expect you to understand this, but if you do, praise the Lord!

Originally posted by Frank
The 1,000 year reign of Christ cannot possibly be taken literally.  I believe that the "1,000 reign" described by John in Revelation is the interval between AD 30 and AD 70, which happens to be exactly 40 years.  David, who was a type of Christ also reigned for 40 years. 

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Hello Frank,

I am glad you replied. I come in peace. But I must whole heartedly disagree with you here. I am living proof that it is possible to take it literally, because I do, and it will happen at the appointed time. This thousand year reign is also known as the Day of the Lord. It is the Sabbath Day of God's rest. The day is coming when man's time of dominion (which Satan tricked Adam out of), will come to a close. And the Government will be upon Christ's shoulder.

2 Peter 3: 8 - "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends; With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."    I would read all of this chapter.

 We must be very careful with what we believe, because the Lord will hold us accountible. We must not try to make excuses not to believe what the word says. God's plan will be fulfilled exactly as He has said, and we can not stop it by saying I don't believe it. 40 years does not even remotely resemble 1000 years. Either Christ's words were true or they weren't, and either you believe them or you don't. This is where your faith must take over. God's word says it, and that settles it. It doesn't have anything to do with what we believe, because what we believe will not change God's plan in the least.

A "literal" reading of Revelation 20 makes a "literal millennium" impossible. To begin with, the Greek word translated "thousand" is a plural adjective, (a free translation would be "thousands-like") describing the nature of the "years," not their chronological length. It is the purpose of "the thousand years" that is being emphasized.

It is rather pointless to try to pinpoint an exact time in history--past, present or future--and call it "the millennium" since the events decreed to take place from the foundation of the world have been particularized in history countless times. If you're looking for when the binding of Satan was first particularized in history, according to the biblical account, then you would have to look at the period of time between Jesus' wilderness temptation, at the end of which Satan "departed from him until an opportune time" (Luke 4:13), and the week leading up to the crucifixion. During that period of time, Satan was "bound" inasmuch as he could not prevail in any head to head clash with Jesus. His demons, sent to torment people, had to flee whenever Jesus showed up and his mouthpiece, the religious elites, were regularly humiliated in public debates with Jesus.

When Jesus arrived in Jerusalem for the Passover, the stage was set for Satan's unbinding and final assault, which happened at Calvary. Jesus' death appeared to be Satan's victory, but after "a short time," Jesus arose from the dead and banished Satan for good.

During the roughly 40-year period following Jesus' ascension up until the fall of Jerusalem, the early Church essentially replicated the signs and wonders associated with Jesus' earthly ministry. They drove out demons, healed the sick and won every debate with the religious elites, whether they werer Jewish or pagan. With the fall of Jerusalem, the Church saw the effect of the resurrection realized on a wider scale. From the ashes of old Jerusalem, the New Jerusalem arose as the vindicated Bride of Christ, the ongoing witness to the presence of Christ in the world and his kingdom come.

The problem with Satan today is not that he is "alive and well and living on planet earth." Rather, he is dead and knows he's dead. His fate was sealed at Calvary. By submitting to death, Christ disarmed the power of Satan and utterly overthrew him. Satan now has no place to live except in the hearts of those he can deceive into thinking he's still alive. Personal salvation is Revelation 20 in miniature. When Christ enters a person's heart, he binds Satan, sets the person's house in order, then unbinds Satan only to kick him out for good.

For many believers today, Satan may be bound but not yet completely defeated. Such persons may know Jesus Christ as their Savior, but have not yet allowed him to be Lord in their lives. Thus, they fall for the tired old dispensationalist view. If they can't see that Jesus is Lord of their lives, how can they see that he is Lord of heaven and earth?

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
 We must be very careful with what we believe, because the Lord will hold us accountible. We must not try to make excuses not to believe what the word says. 

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I happen to agree with what you said.  Now I have a question for you:  Do you believe that you as a Christian will reign with Christ for 1,000 literal years when He returns?

Originally posted by Frank
I happen to agree with what you said.  Now I have a question for you:  Do you believe that you as a Christian will reign with Christ for 1,000 literal years when He returns?

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Hi Frank,

Yes, there is no doubt about it. I believe all of God's righteous ones throughout all of mans history will reign in God's government to come. We will all return with him when He returns. The world only knows Christ as the lamb of God, and those who rejected Him don't know that He will be returning as the Lion of Judah, the great and mighty King of Kings and Lord of Lords, the Alpha and Omega.

Satan is roaming around as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour, but the real Lion is coming to put an end to worldly government and lying politicians. His days are numbered. He has been able to deceive most of the world, but not God's people.

Frank, when we return, we will not be in these mortal bodies that we have now. We will be coming in our glorified bodies, just as Christ will also come in His glorified body that can never again see death. From History, we can easily see that this has never happened yet, and this is how we know that it is still future.

Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
We will be coming in our glorified bodies, just as Christ will also come in His glorified body that can never again see death. 

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Hi Mr. Thunder,

You bring up an interesting question. Perhaps it deserves a thread of it's own, but I'll ask it of you here for starters. If it seems to have it's own momentum, I'll start a new thread to continue...

You're comment about Christ's glorified body. I wonder, do you believe Christ was resurrected in His glorified body, or did it receive glorification sometime after the resurrection?

LD