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The Myth that the Catholic Church "added" books to the Bible

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Who Compiled the Old Testament?

The Church does not deny that there are ancient writings which are "apocryphal." During the early Christian era, there were scores of manuscripts which purported to be Holy Scripture but were not. Many have survived to the present day, like the Apocalypse of Peter and the Gospel of Thomas, which all Christian churches regard as spurious writings that don't belong in Scripture.

During the first century, the Jews disagreed as to what constituted the canon of Scripture. In fact, there were a large number of different canons in use, including the growing canon used by Christians. In order to combat the spreading Christian cult, rabbis met at the city of Jamnia or Javneh in A.D. 90 to determine which books were truly the Word of God. They pronounced many books, including the Gospels, to be unfit as scriptures. This canon also excluded seven books (Baruch, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, and the Wisdom of Solomon, plus portions of Esther and Daniel) that Christians considered part of the Old Testament.

The group of Jews which met at Javneh became the dominant group for later Jewish history, and today most Jews accept the canon of Javneh. However, some Jews, such as those from Ethiopia, follow a different canon which is identical to the Catholic Old Testament and includes the seven deuterocanonical books (cf. Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 6, p. 1147).

Needless to say, the Church disregarded the results of Javneh. First, a Jewish council after the time of Christ is not binding on the followers of Christ. Second, Javneh rejected precisely those documents which are foundational for the Christian Church -- the Gospels and the other documents of the New Testament. Third, by rejecting the deuterocanonicals, Javneh rejected books which had been used by Jesus and the apostles and which were in the edition of the Bible that the apostles used in everyday life -- the Septuagint.

The whole article at:
http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/deuteros.htm

The writings that the Catholic Church did add to the canon of scripture is called the New Testament.
 

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at the Council of Trent in 1546
the Catholics officailly adopted the 15 books of the Apocrapha.

Jerome (300-400 ad) translated the apocrapha along with the OT and NT but instructed the Church (not the catholic church which did not exist at this time) that these books were not worthy to be placed along side the Bible as these books demonstrated a marked inferiority and contain reference to the fact that they were written during a time of prophetic silence in Israel (books written by prophets or apostles or their closest companions being the only recognized books)

Josephus tells us that the books of the OT were settled as early as the 2nd temple period - all recognized books being housed in that temple until past the time of Jesus

the only questionable book being Song of solomom because its about married love and not God at all

Jamina did not even look at the NT books (to them they were completly irrelevant)

there is not 1 quote from a non-cononical book in the entire NT
the only possability being Jude but even the Enoch and Moses thing are not fopund in those books so it remains a mystery as to where Jude got his info
 
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How is this archeology?
Are you asking how is the ancient origin of the canon of the Bible archeology?


If you don't consider the ancient origin of the Bible to be archeology then I don't know what you would consider to be archeology.
 
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there is not 1 quote from a non-cononical book in the entire NT
Do you mean that there is not one direct quote from the 7 deuterocanonical books of the Old Testament that Catholics use?


Well consider that there are many books of the Protestant Old Testament that are not quoted in the New Testament either. Does that make them any less inspired?
 
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at the Council of Trent in 1546
the Catholics officailly adopted the 15 books of the Apocrapha.

Jerome (300-400 ad) translated the apocrapha along with the OT and NT but instructed the Church (not the catholic church which did not exist at this time) that these books were not worthy to be placed along side the Bible as these books demonstrated a marked inferiority and contain reference to the fact that they were written during a time of prophetic silence in Israel (books written by prophets or apostles or their closest companions being the only recognized books)

Josephus tells us that the books of the OT were settled as early as the 2nd temple period - all recognized books being housed in that temple until past the time of Jesus

the only questionable book being Song of solomom because its about married love and not God at all

Jamina did not even look at the NT books (to them they were completly irrelevant)

there is not 1 quote from a non-cononical book in the entire NT
the only possability being Jude but even the Enoch and Moses thing are not fopund in those books so it remains a mystery as to where Jude got his info
Actually it is symbolic of how Yeshua will be toward his people. Best way I can explain it.
 
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if the Catholics didnt add the "Apocrypha" until Trent, then why, praytell, do the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Churches, who were separated from Rome for centuries by the time of Trent also have the "apocryphal" books?
 
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if the Catholics didnt add the "Apocrypha" until Trent, then why, praytell, do the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Churches, who were separated from Rome for centuries by the time of Trent also have the "apocryphal" books?
They were heavily influenced by Catholicism .
 
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They were heavily influenced by Catholicism .

the OO had been separate from Rome for over 1000 yrs by the time of Trent and the EO for about 500 yrs by that point -- your assertion has no basis in reality.
 
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the OO had been separate from Rome for over 1000 yrs by the time of Trent and the EO for about 500 yrs by that point -- your assertion has no basis in reality.
What I am asserting is that the Catholic Church has documents that say otherwise. So in fact I can't believe you.
 
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What I am asserting is that the Catholic Church has documents that say otherwise. So in fact I can't believe you.

so the Catholic Church has documents that say "Our Church has had great influence on the Orthodox Churches, so much so that when we adopted new books at the Council of Trent, the Orthodox did so as well"? what might these documents be? when exactly did the Orthodox Churches add these books, under the great influence of Rome?
 
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