The New CF

A New Dawn · Jul 8, 2007

I also sent Erwin a PM.

A New Dawn said:
Erwin,

When I came to CF a little over three years ago, I came as a member of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I claimed a Christian icon because there was not one for my specific church, but you insisted that I needed to carry the "Other-Church" icon.

http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=2033035&postcount=17

I believed then that I was a Christian, and I believe now that I was a Christian, but there are far greater truths that God has to reveal about His church than can be found in churches like the RLDS or the LDS or JW's. I am not claiming that none of the LDS members that post here are Christian, but as long as they are led to believe that what they have is as good as real Christianity, I fear for their souls because they don't know the real Jesus. My church was much closer to regular Christianity than either the LDS or the JW, and I know that God used this discussion board to open my eyes to the truth about how beliefs that those churches teach actually lead us away from Christ.

Erwin, I am thankful for the ruling you made back then. Without it, I wouldn't have been confronted by the lies told to me in Christ's name. I wouldn't have been made to see the light of Christ and the sins I was committing and not even knowing it.

I can no longer access this page, but I know you can. I hope that you can see (and remember) how it feels to have even one precious lamb come to the light of Christ. That is what CF did for me.

http://www.christianforums.com/t1814312-utd-praise-report-jendas-spiritual-journey.html

I am writing to say that I disagree with a few of the changes you have proposed. Not all of them, but the ones that say that anyone who wishes to call themselves Christian may do so. I am adamantly opposed to someone being led down the path of Mormonism in the name of Christ, and I ask you to reconsider this point of your proposal.

In Him,
Dawn
(former Theology Admin)

drstevej · Jul 8, 2007

Great letter, Dawn.

RED that's ME · Jul 8, 2007

I totally agree with drstevej and A New Dawn. Too many Godly christians here, has their hands tied by the rules and Erwin & those who agree with him will stand before God on judgement day and answer for it with the blood of others on their hands.

drstevej · Jul 8, 2007

Read this post.

Old vs New Erwin

intricatic · Jul 8, 2007

I like the old Erwin better. Actually sane and concerned with his vision, whereas now he's just tossing everything out the window.

drstevej · Jul 8, 2007

Why does Windows Me come to mind?

JimfromOhio · Jul 8, 2007

This thread saddens me.

I left CF because the old CF didn't let me preach calvinism. I came back when Erwin made the changes.

After reading comments from fellow reformed and calvinist is making me think of my doctrinal beliefs regarding God's Sovereign relating to Reformed and Calvinism. The bad events are circumscribed by a loving providence and God promises to use them all for His ultimate good for HIS GLORY. There is a verse in the Bible that God promises that there wont be anything so bad happen to me that I am not able to bear it. God does everything--He governs everything. Faith is accepting God's Will.

I have alot of thinking to do about my faith and my relationship with Reformed theology & Calvinism. :sigh:

drstevej · Jul 8, 2007

Some of us were teaching Calvinism while you were gone.

JimfromOhio · Jul 8, 2007

drstevej said:
Some of us were teaching Calvinism while you were gone.

That's good to know.

calmcoolandelected · Jul 8, 2007

drstevej said:
Read this post.

Old vs New Erwin

drstevej
New CF: WIKI-anity™

I've noticed your changing lines today and YOU CRACK ME UP!

CC&E

ksen · Jul 10, 2007

heymikey80 said:
Rule by the mass of people? I'm trying to think of when the church was led by all the congregation -- was that in the 17th century, in England and the colonies?

Not to be too nitpicky but CF is not and never has been a church.

cygnusx1 · Jul 10, 2007

ksen said:
Not to be too nitpicky but CF is not and never has been a church.

Good to see you bro!!

that may be so , and I cannot remember if Erwin said the same thing . But ironically he did liken some of these new changes to CHURCH ..... which has me baffled.

What is your perspective ksen , compare these changes with the last 2 years on CF , which is worse ?>

cygnusx1 · Jul 10, 2007

the new cf vision of Erwins is not inline with scripture ;

CF is here for Christians on the Internet, and not the other way around. CF should not try to make Christians conform to what it believes to be Christian. Who am I to judge the heart of another man? I can't. CF should be a place of refuge, as ones who bear the name of the Lord, a strong tower for Christians to feel safe in. It should attract Christians because we raise Jesus up to draw all men unto him.[/QUOTE=erwin]

g. Related to the above, if you believe you are a Christian, you are. No more reliance on our own definition of what we think is a Christian. In the end, who are we to judge. [/QUOTE=erwin]

Click to expand...

actually this position is not in accordance with scripture .

Anyone who has read the account of Simon Magus will know full well the words of the Apostles.

[top]Acts.8

[1] And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
[2] And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.
[3] As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
[4] Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
[5] Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
[6] And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.
[7] For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.
[8] And there was great joy in that city.
[9] But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
[10] To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
[11] And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
[12] But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
[13] Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
[14] Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
[15] Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
[16] (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
[17] Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
[18] And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
[19] Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
[20] But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
[21] Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
[22] Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
[23] For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
[24] Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.

Click to expand...

JimfromOhio · Jul 10, 2007

All beliefs about God are problematic. We are not to believe something that we dare not think over as John Calvin once said, "What we think about (God) of ourselves is but foolishness and all we can say about Him is without savour". We are to expect great things from God while attempting great things (i.e. Gospel) for God.

"Some are dead; you must rouse them. Some are troubled; you must comfort them. Others are burdened; you must point them to the burden-bearer. Still more are puzzled; you must enlighten them. Still others are careless and indifferent; you must warn and woo them" Charles Haddon Spurgeon, Calvinist Preacher

Beoga · Jul 10, 2007

I think that the new logo should no longer read "Uniting all Christians as one body" but should instead read:
"Uniting all People as one body."
This seems to be where Erwin would like this place to head. Unfortunately unity that is not founded on the Gospel is damning.

cygnusx1 · Jul 11, 2007

Beoga said:
I think that the new logo should no longer read "Uniting all Christians as one body" but should instead read:
"Uniting all People as one body."
This seems to be where Erwin would like this place to head. Unfortunately unity that is not founded on the Gospel is damning.

HI BRO

I gotta agree with Brad ............ this is not a Christian Forum , this is 'MARS HILL'...............and we are merely a small gathering over by a tree.

ksen · Jul 11, 2007

cygnusx1 said:
Good to see you bro!!

It's good to see you too!

that may be so , and I cannot remember if Erwin said the same thing . But ironically he did liken some of these new changes to CHURCH ..... which has me baffled.

What is your perspective ksen , compare these changes with the last 2 years on CF , which is worse ?>

I don't know how Erwin's new reforms will play out yet but I am not going to automatically think that things will be worse because of them.

I think some very good things will come out of the reforms like the loosening up being able to forthrightly tell people the Gospel and forcing us out of our comfortable ghettoes to interact with those who need to hear the Gospel.

GrinningDwarf · Jul 11, 2007

ksen said:
I think some very good things will come out of the reforms like the loosening up being able to forthrightly tell people the Gospel and forcing us out of our comfortable ghettoes to interact with those who need to hear the Gospel.

My concern is that the reforms will actually prevent those things. If we are to accept as Christian all who choose to call themsleves Christian, as Erwin says, then how is that going to impact the sharing of the true Gospel with deluded souls who think they really are saved? With this politically correct format, sharing the true Gospel at the very least carries the implication that those you are sharing with are not Christian...and very often would cross over into not-so-subtle and overt statements that the people we are talking to are not Christians.

I'm in a wait-and-see mode.

Atlantians · Jul 11, 2007

All I know, is that Erwin's decission seams terribly impulsive, if not foolish.

The site was doing fine how it was.

His idea that "well unbelievers can come into Church, why not all the parts of this forum?" just doesn't hold water.

cygnusx1 · Jul 14, 2007

give some an inch they will take a mile ;

van looking for unorthodox doctrinal debate in soteriology.......

hi friends , look at what van wishes to know now rules are being changed ;

http://www.christianforums.com/t5670...ora-rules.html

i half expected this , such is the state of this board now ....

cyg :wave:

The New CF

God is bigger than the boogeyman!

"The crowd always chooses Barabbas."

*~*God *IS* Love*~*

"The crowd always chooses Barabbas."

...a dinosaur... or something...

"The crowd always chooses Barabbas."

Life of Trials :)

"The crowd always chooses Barabbas."

Life of Trials :)

Veteran

Wiki on Garth!

Jacob the twister.....

Jacob the twister.....

Life of Trials :)

Sola Scriptura

Jacob the twister.....

Wiki on Garth!

Just a humble servant

Student of Theology and History.

Jacob the twister.....

Similar threads

~God IS Love~