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Okay, I have one for you guys... Imagine, if you will, that your church doesn't allow divorce, but that someone got a divorce before joining your church, and furthermore, remarried.

Now... Let's assume that, under the circumstances, your church would definitely not have allowed the remarriage.

What do you do? Is this a "lifestyle of sin", like people who aren't married cohabiting and having sex? Was the sin a one-time thing? Is the marriage a valid one?

If the remarried person wanted to divorce the second spouse and go back to the first, would you support this?

My current emotional response is to say that, while it may have been a mistake for the person to remarry, vows do not stop being binding just because they were ill-considered; whatever sin there was happened already, and is in the past, and breaking the marriage up would simply be compounding the problem.

Second opinions?

(For those who are aware that I'm a second husband, don't worry; to the best of my knowledge, this is an idle theoretical question, not an immediate threat to my hard-won domestic tranquility.)
 

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No inner conflict; I'm confident enough of my position. I just wanna hear other peoples' opinions. Basically, imagine one of the circumstances where you *don't* think remarriage is permitted, and a couple comes to your church, and they already got married under those circumstances. So... what should they do? Are they married, or not?
 
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If a divorced person remarries or dies, then the person that was divorced is allowed to remarry, I think. :)

Obviously it is better for the two divorced to come back together - but if one furthers the sin and remarries again, would God want ANOTHER sin (divorce) in order that the two original marriage parters could come together? No... the end does NOT justify the means. :)

So, if the remarried person repents and such, then I think my church would 'be fine' with them.

Divorce causes sooo many problems...
 
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1 "Suppose a man marries a woman but later discovers something about her that is shameful. So he writes her a letter of divorce, gives it to her, and sends her away. 2 If she then leaves and marries another man 3 and the second husband also divorces her or dies, 4 the former husband may not marry her again, for she has been dishonored. That would be detestable to the LORD. You must not bring guilt upon the land the LORD your God is giving you as a special possession.
Deuteronomy 24: 1-4

Morally, you agree with God.
 
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Originally posted by lambslove
1 "Suppose a man marries a woman but later discovers something about her that is shameful. So he writes her a letter of divorce, gives it to her, and sends her away. 2 If she then leaves and marries another man 3 and the second husband also divorces her or dies, 4 the former husband may not marry her again, for she has been dishonored. That would be detestable to the LORD. You must not bring guilt upon the land the LORD your God is giving you as a special possession.
Deuteronomy 24: 1-4

Morally, you agree with God.

I'm trying to figure out how this ties in with the teachings of Christ on the topic. On the one hand, He seemed pretty much dead set against divorce. On the other hand, he told the woman at the well that she had had five husbands, and that the man she was with now was not her husband... Very confusing to my fragile little mind.
 
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Christ said the only valid reason for divorce and remarriage was sexual immorality on the part of one of the spouses.

Just because he knew that the woman at the well HAD five husbands doesn't mean he approved of multiple remarriages. He was telling her those things to show her that He was God and that she didn't have to hide anything from Him.
 
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Okay, so, imagine that someone gets a divorce, and it's *not* for that valid reason. And later, gets remarried... Is he really married to the second wife? Should we tell them to break up?

What I'm trying to narrow in on is, in the case where we *don't* think the divorce or remarriage was morally correct... once it's happened, is it a sin that happened once in the past, or is it an ongoing sin to try to keep that relationship together?

My instinct remains that, once you've done it, whether or not it was a mistake, it *is* a marriage, and it is not our place to try to tear it apart... But I'd be interested to hear if anyone feels the other way about it.
 
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Stay married,
Make the best of your marriage now. Honor God. Keep your vows.
The christian marriage is to be a model of Christ and the church.
See Ephesians 5: 25-33.
I struggle with this idea myself, I am in marriage ministry, I see alot of couples doing stupid stuff to mess up thier marriages, and end up in divorice because of their selfishness.

It is very sad. I am not one to be legalistic either about the issue of remarriage, I am one of great grace in all things. God's love covers a multitude of sins
The bible says, in the NT, the only reason for divorce is adultry, and/or abandonment(sp?). But I keep going back to God's grace, and mercy. It is why Christ died and rose again.
1 Corinthians 7 spells alot of scenarios out. I would do a lot of prayer and speak w/ your pastor about specifics.
Or you can email me, I am open to anything.

God Bless
 
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On the one hand, I'm overjoyed that everyone else seems to have the same feelings about this I do. On the other hand, I was sorta hoping someone disagreed so I could see how the other side of the debate would go, and maybe learn something more about the issue. :)

Anyway, once again, no one needs to worry on my account; I came to terms with this years ago. I just wanted to see how other people felt about it.
 
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True believers should not suffer such things as divorce, but it happens because He isn't the one to put together, in most cases. We choose unbelievers and people that we can not walk with - being in disagreement.
Nehemiah beat a bunch up and pulled their beards for marrying unbelievers. It wasn't even a valid marriage in his eyes or God's. He just told them to leave. The marriage that God puts together, will not be put asunder. (Neh. 13:25-27)(Mat.19:6)
 
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Originally posted by seebs
My instinct remains that, once you've done it, whether or not it was a mistake, it *is* a marriage, and it is not our place to try to tear it apart... But I'd be interested to hear if anyone feels the other way about it.

Your "instinct". what is an instinct?

I was engaged to a women once who was another man's wife. Actually we were living together. We wanted to get married, esp. so we could be "right with God." Thinking it was wrong to sleep together, but somehow if you were married that would make it right. God told me not to marry her. He said if I did marry her, that I would be on my own and if I needed any help I would not get any from Him. In other words, I had to choose between Him and her. At the time, I really wanted a companion. I really did not want to go back to being "alone". But if I had to choose between her and God, I was going to choose God, even though it seemed the most difficult thing that I had ever done. It seemed worse at the time that I would be on my own and that God would not answer my prayers, or give me any help. Even now, more than ever, I would not want to live my life apart from God and apart from answered prayer.

But to get back to your question. I do not know what your situation is there. But I know there is one place in the Bible where the Nation of Isreal had taken wive's that were forbidden to them, and they were told to divorce the wives they had taken.

Ezra 10:3
    Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.


 
 
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Originally posted by seebs
once it's happened, is it a sin that happened once in the past, or is it an ongoing sin to try to keep that relationship together? 

1 Cor. 6:11
    And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

No matter how you slice it and dice it, to say that the Blood of Jesus does not actually cleanse us of our sin, but that it "covers" our sin, even though we go right on being sinners is Modernism.

My question is, how does this look to the world? It is wrong for them to be sinners, because they are not Christians. But it is somehow "right" for us to be sinners because we are christians.

I do not have any answers here, but I sure do have some questions. I was taught that we are to be a new creation in Christ, that we are to put off the old and put on the new.

How then can we be a new creation in Christ if we are still doing all of our old sins. I guess I just don't understand modernism or the modernismist's theology. I just can not figure it out, it does not seem logical or rational. To me it looks like a grand opportunity for the world to laugh at christianity and to mock God. I have seen them do just that. They say christians are hypocrates, they commit the same sin as everyone else, but they think they are better than the rest of us.
 
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You did the right thing John R7. The same happened to me, except I didn't listen to God and suffered great loss for not listening (if I even listened at all, at the time). I sure regret the reproach I bring to the Lord's name with my sins and hope others can avoid the mistakes that I made when it comes to following God instead of the flesh.

The sins are covered, but the scars remain and heart ache can be unneccesary baggage to carry through life if we will wait on the Lord and abide in Him.
 
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One of the reasons I haven't worried much about this issue is that God has done a lot to help this marriage out; given your story of God telling you that you'd be on your own in a marriage He didn't approve of, I think that means I'm in the clear.

I think the idea is not that we *should* do all the same sins... but rather that, realistically, we know we will, and it's comforting to know God will forgive us anyway. This is by no means an excuse to get lazy.
 
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