One Gospel? Lets See, shall we?
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jeffweeder
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My second name isnt weeder- anyway, Jesus said to the 12, go and preach the gospel, to every creature, in all the world.
They were told to wait for the spirit, and then start in Jerusalem- Paul then ;
Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called[1][Lit a called apostle ] as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
2 which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures,
3 concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant[2][Lit seed ] of David according to the flesh,
4 who was declared the Son of God with power by[3][Or as a result of ] the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit[4][Or spirit ] of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord,
This is the very" Gospel" Jesus pointed out to the 12, when he opened their minds to the scriptures, and were told to wait for the power from on high.
PAUL
19 in the power of signs[9][Or attesting miracles ] and wonders, in the power of the Spirit; so that from Jerusalem and round about as far as Illyricum I have fully[10][Lit fulfilled ] preached the gospel of Christ.
20 And thus I aspired to preach the gospel, not where Christ was already named, so that I would not build on another man's foundation;
Then it was agreed that Paul take THE gospel to the Gentiles, and did. He didnt want to preach the Gospel where it had already been preached, as foundations of the gospel had already been laid- by guess who?
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The theory of 'one gospel' needs to be seen as a major problem because so much hinges on it. Are we saved today by the gospel revealed to Paul, or are we saved by the Gospel preached by Peter? We can't be saved by both of them together.
The Gospel of the Kingdom will make you religious today, but the Gospel of the grace of God alone will prepare you for heaven in God's spiritual realm of the Fourth Dimension.
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yeshuasavedme
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There is Only One Way -for the Jew First, and also to the Gentile- for all in Adam to be forgiven of the first father's transgression, which trransgression separated all Adam's seed from the glory of the Father's indwelling forever.
Adam was not a Jew! Adam and all the seed in Adam were promised by proclamation [Genesis 3;15], the Seed of the Woman [Zion above], who would crush the head of the serpent!
The Jews were chosen as the chosen seed of Abraham to be the keepers of the oracles of the "One Way", as His Namesake people, and were asked to enter the kingdom first, when all things were prepared -as Jesus taught in the parables, in Matthew 21: The promise of the Spirit of regeneration given to Abraham who received it by faith, is now given -since the resurrection- to all who are called by Him to His kingdom [the Jews first, then the Gentiles]; and bodily regeneration is guaranteed at the first harvest of earth;s precious fruit which the Father seeks, "sons", of which Jesus is the First of Firstfruits of, as represented in the oracles committed to the Jews through Moses; and those saints -even including all the Gentile Saints from the beginning of the world, - whom Jesus raised from their graves in regenerated bodies to present to the Father in the heavenly temple "mid morning", according to the Law, to fullfill that Feast of First of Firstfruits -according to the Law; which fullfilling was "after" the "Finish" of His Work for our Salvation on the cross, when He tasted the spiritual death of every Adam and died, taking our sins and iniquities which were laid on Him to Sheol, as the Scapegoat, to fullfill that Day of Atonement [and early in the season, too], rising after the three days and three nights as the fullfillment of the Feast of First of Firstfruits, and gathering those resurrected in perfected bodies, Saints; whom He raised to take with Him in their bodies of perfection -made in the image of His "Perfected" body as the "Ephah" "finished as perfected sons" and offered in the heavenly temple by Him, as High Priest of earth, Mid -Morning of that Feast Day; are also redeemed by the "One Way" -both Jews and Gentiles were raised by Jesus as part of the "Ephah" to take with Him in bodies of perfection mid -morning on that Feast Day.
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foundinHim
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Where in "the holy Scriptures" is it written that Christ Jesus/God Incarnate 'tasted the spiritual death of every Adam' ???
When you say 'Sheol'...what do you mean?
When you say 'Sheol'...what do you mean?
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jeffweeder
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We are saved by Gods gospel, the one recorded by the holy prophets, the scriptures, that Jesus caused the 12 to understand when he opened their minds to the good news that he was telling them all along.
Thus it is written, that the Christ[19][I.e. Messiah] would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day,
http://www.christianforums.com/47 and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in[21][Or on the basis of ] His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
http://www.christianforums.com/48 "You are witnesses of these things.
http://www.christianforums.com/49 "And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high."
Paul says the same thing, about what gospel he is preaching;
Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called[1][Lit a called apostle ] as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
2 which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures,
3 concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant[2][Lit seed ] of David according to the flesh,
4 who was declared the Son of God with power by[3][Or as a result of ] the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit[4][Or spirit ] of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord
Peter
17 "And now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance, just as your rulers did also.
18 "But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ[8][Or Anointed One; i.e. Messiah] would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.
19 "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;
20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ[9][Or Anointed One; i.e. Messiah] appointed for you,
21 whom heaven must receive until the period[10][Lit periods, times ] of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.
12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
IT WAS THE SAME GOSPEL FORETOLD BY THE PROPHETS, THAT THEY WERE ALL PREACHING.
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yeshuasavedme
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I didn't see this before, sorry-
In Scripture it says Jesus tasted death for every man -spiritual death, the first death, first, when He said on the cross; "My God", "My God" Why have you forsaken Me?
At that moment the Father turned from Him as He did from Adam the day Adam ate the fruit, and died.
He became 'naked" for us, at that moment and "mortal" at that moment, willingly, for only by tasting our mortality could He depart His body.
Still, His body could not suffer corruption in three days and three nights, for Satan had "nothing" in "Him", as He said.
His body could not corrupt because there was no sin in it, and His soul became our sin offering when He bore our sins and iniquities which were laid on him -Isaiah 53.
even though He tasted our death when He bore our sins and became mortal at that moment for us, Still His New Man body was the True "Mercy Seat" and received the blood of sprinkling which cancelled the sin debt we owed and could not pay, in Adam, after He departed that body, going to Sheol, below, taking those sins with Him and leaving them there forever when He rose.
He departed to Sheol, the place beneath, in this earth's belly, where the spirits of the dead were held, kept separated from God in the first death of separation from the Father -even Abraham was there, waiting for the Day of His release, which He saw in Genesis 22, as a prophet.
Jesus ascended and "Led Captivity Captive" taking all those to paradise on High, who were waiting there, in the belly of the earth, who were righteous, waiting in faith, for the promised "crushing of the serpent's head".
Hbr 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Psa 22:1 [[To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.]] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? [why art thou so] far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring?
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
I have to go to bed at the moment, but when I return I would very much like to take you on a journey through Scripture to show you that Adam died in spirit the day he ate the fruit, and was given physical death as a blessing [cast from the Garden so that he would not eat the tree of life's fruit in that defiled garment [dead in spirit body and "carnal" flesh] , and live forever in the cursed, dead, separated from the Father's glory spirit and body; so that his "defiled [former human "son of God"] "garments" could be changed -or regenerated, made new in the New Man's image, so that he could be made a "son of God, dressed in the New Garments [in the New Man's Spirit and body of adoption]; and we are all his seed and are born dead in spirit to God, as sons of God, in Adam.
That death of separation from the Father was tasted on the cross, which is the first death, the spiritual death, and tasted when He bore our sins and iniquities.
When He departed to Sheol -the 'hell" in the belly of the earth, He took our sins and iniquities with Him as our Scapegoat, and He left them there, never to remember them against us again -but we have to "lay hands" on the Scapegoat, confessing our sins [agreeing with God about them] and believe that He bore them all away.
These things are taught in the oracles.
Back later.
Jesus became mortal for us that day, on the cross, but no man could take His life from Him, for He had Life in Himself -He was "Life" in human flesh of the second Creation that would never have died if He had not taken our death for us.
On the third day He rose "perfected" in body, to never die again and will always be in that human body as our High King and High Priest, our "Firstborn" of the second human Creation.
The body of perfection was taken back up by Jesus when He rose -and will never die again; but to depart it, He had to become "Mortal" by tasting our "mortality" -our sin.
Luk 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third [day] I shall be perfected. [prophetic utterance]
Jesus was dual natured from the time of His incarnation: YHWH in the second Person come in human flesh of the second creation, brother to Adam so that He could legally redeem Adam. Redeemer is "Kinsman" in Hebrew. Ruth paints a beautiful picture of the Redeemer/Kinsman.
God became our Redeemer in a Kinsman body of second human creation.
Isaiah 59 tells us that He donned that body as we would don a garment, the body of Kinsman/Redeemer, but it was not an "Adam", "cursed" body, it was a New Man body of a New Creation, and the name of that New Man is "Israel" -Adam's only brother.
Genesis 49 tells us his name is Israel, and Hosea 12;3-5 tells us He was YHWH of hosts [The Word, second Person in YHWH], who gave that name to Jacob, which is "His name" by which "Jacob" -all Israel- is called.
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LOL...thats always the response of someone who WILL NOT SEE what God clearly reveals in scripture, John. They come up with "I just dont SEE it", when its right there in front of them!____________
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Originally Posted by Apollos1
E39 -
In reply to post #46 - you repeated yourself once again. I have already seen that - you offered nothing new.
So try to answer just ONE point I made. Answer the following - I mean actually deal with the substance of it.
If what Jesus taught the disciples was according to the scriptures see Luke 24:44 (and it was!) WHILE he was yet with them - -
then it is NECESSARY that IT WAS THE SAME GOSPEL that Paul taught - - -
just as Paul remarked in 1 Cor. 15:1-4 ...
as well as Romans 16:25-26, 1:1-2 !
IT MUST BE !###
Can you answer E39 - or will you just cut&paste some more abstract mumblings ??? Hmmmmm????????
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Preaching "the" gospel of the kingdom/Peter(and Judas).... preached "the gospel of the kingdom":
"And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, andJudas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give." Matthew 10:1-8
"....And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give." Matthew 10:7,8
"And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people." Matthew 4:23
"And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people." Matthew 9:35
"Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.
And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart.
And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.
And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
Now Herod the tetrarch heard of all that was done by him: and he was perplexed, because that it was said of some, that John was risen from the dead;
And of some, that Elias had appeared; and of others, that one of the old prophets was risen again.
And Herod said, John have I beheaded: but who is this, of whom I hear such things? And he desired to see him.
And the apostles, when they were returned, told him all that they had done. And he took them, and went aside privately into a desert place belonging to the city called Bethsaida.
And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.
And when the day began to wear away, then came the twelve, and said unto him, Send the multitude away, that they may go into the towns and country round about, and lodge, and get victuals: for we are here in a desert place.
But he said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they said, We have no more but five loaves and two fishes; except we should go and buy meat for all this people.
For they were about five thousand men. And he said to his disciples, Make them sit down by fifties in a company.
And they did so, and made them all sit down.
Then he took the five loaves and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed them, and brake, and gave to the disciples to set before the multitude.
And they did eat, and were all filled: and there was taken up of fragments that remained to them twelve baskets.
And it came to pass, as he was alone praying, his disciples were with him: and he asked them, saying, Whom say the people that I am?
They answering said, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias; and others say, that one of the old prophets is risen again.
He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.
And he straitly charged them, and commanded them to tell no man that thing; Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day. " Luke 9:1-22
So, they are "preaching the gospel." Later, they are charged not to reveal that He is "The Christ of God", and then they are told about the prophecy, the fact, of the impending death, burial, and resurrection, nor its meaning, for:
"For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him." Mark 9:31,32
"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34
"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9
Same "the" gospel? Right. Good one.
According to the scriptures, they were not preaching 1 Cor. 15:1-4 at least prior to the dbr.
Provide scripture, from Mt.-John, prior to the dbr, where the Lord Jesus Christ, the 12, or anybody, preached "I/He is going to die for your sins....be buried.....be raised again for your/our justification....believe on this and you will be saved...." Chapter and verse.
You cannot, and will not. Thus, "the gospel of the kingdom", which the 12 did preach in Mt.-John, at least prior to the dbr, is not equivalent to "the" gospel of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, since 1 Cor. 15:1-4 was not preached during this same time period, at least prior to the dbr. And thus, your "supporting walls"(premises) of your "argument" crumbles.
And this is, and has been, sojourner's response:
"...We cannot tell..."(Mt. 21:27, Mark 11:33)
In Christ,
John M. Whalen
Im glad that our only job is to be faithful to present Gods plan and purpose, arent you? wink
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yeshuasavedme
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Did you see this, in reply to your question, foundinHim,
Originally Posted by foundinHim
Where in "the holy Scriptures" is it written that Christ Jesus/God Incarnate 'tasted the spiritual death of every Adam' ???
When you say 'Sheol'...what do you mean?
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