I'm afraid you have been DECEIVED into believing this LIE.
It isn't a lie Ed.
The Bible says that he who "does NOT abide in the doctrine of Christ does NOT have God. He who ABIDES in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son" (2 John 9).
We do not abide in YOUR doctrine that says only his little group are true Christians. True Christians do NOT exclude other groups/denominations just because they do not believe the exact same as you. And seeing as you think we are nothing but sinners and on our way to hell just because we are not in the Iglesia Ni Cristo, you are in the wrong.
It follows that anyone who does NOT have God does NOT have the son as well. And anyone who does NOT have the son does NOT have life (1 John 5:12).
I have all this! God is good!
I can't see how someone who does NOT have God can claim that God has him or her. I can only feel sorry for someone who believes in this LIE.
She did not say she doesn't have God Ed do not put words in her mouth. Does God have you? The way you talk you berate everyone I say not. Nor does He have you.
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You say you accept Jesus is a man and you accept that the Father is the only true God. You also said so many times that Jesus is NOT the Father and the Father is NOT Jesus. Yet you INSIST that Jesus is God?
That is right we have all said this because the Bible, while not saying it verbatim, clearly describes it.
Do you and LB TRULY believe what you keep saying you believe? Please enlighten us again why you say Jesus, the SON, is God despite YOUR saying that the FATHER is the ONLY true God.
Ice, water, and water vapor are different things, but are they three seperate waters? No they are all the three entities of water. Ask ZC about Homousion (sp?) and you will understand.
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If you TRULY believe that Jesus is a MAN (John 8:40) and the FATHER is the ONLY true God (John 17:3) because Jesus said these, why do you PERSIST in your doctrine that Jesus is God? Are you being honest or are you simply a hypocrital blind fanatic?
Well seeing as I am not blind nor hypocritical or a fanatic, I guess I am being honest about the truth!
YOU are the LIAR PJ. the verse does NOT say that all three are one "God." Read the verse again and you will SEE (if you are not blind and ignorant) that there is a period AFTER the word "one."
Again Ed I am not a liar so quit saying so, nor am I blind and ignorant. Why do you resort to this anyways Ed. I know I haven't exactly been Christ-like in discussing with you, but you won't get through to anyone at all if you call names. Again my regrets for my part.
Anyways, I do not see that just because of the period it rebukes my argument.
And no matter how loudly you may shout that Jesus has already saved you, you CANNOT change what the Bible says: "...he who does NOT believe is condemned already..." John 3:18.
Ed, I do believe despite what you say. You do not know my heart. God does.
And there is a world of difference between your saying that Jesus is your Lord and Jesus believing that you have TRULY accepted him as your Lord. Listen to what Jesus says to you: "But why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do NOT do the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46) Anyone who HEARS these sayings of mine and does NOT do them, will be like a foolish man..." (Matt. 7:26).
You are the one saying I am not doing what Jesus says, not him. I know my relationship with God is real and that he is my Lord and Savior and that I am doing my best to stay within His will.
YOU have been the one calling Bro. Manalo and me names. I only quote what the Bible says about people like you.
You have been calling us names as well. Again I reiterate my apoligies for not being Christ-like in this discussion. And the quotes you give are not about people like me.
You say you do not behave like someone who denies scriptures yet you deny John 8:40 and John 17:3 which say that Jesus is a MAN and the FATHER (not the son) is the ONLY true God.
I do not deny these scriptures, Ed.
You say you do not behave like someone who prooftexts the Word to fit his FALSE beliefs yet you prooftext 1 John 5:7 and ADD the word "God" after the sentence to make the verse FIT your FALSE Trinity belief. You also substitute the word "Jesus" for "word" in John 1:1 to make the verse FIT your FALSE belief that Jesus is God. Who is the LIAR and the LOON PJ?
I did not add the word at the end of the verse. You said I did. That is putting words in my mouth. Bad thing really. And the Trinity is not a false doctrine. 1 John 5:7 fits quite well! And I did not substitute "Jesus" for "Word" in John 1:1. You don't exactly need a Ph.D in Religion to see John 1:1-5 & John 1:10-14 as meaning Jesus is God in the flesh.
You are telling us that "the FATHER is the ONLY true God" means that the Father is "only one God" among "three ONLY true Gods". Thus, you believe that the SON is ALSO the ONLY true God. And I presume you will also tell me that the Holy Spirit is ALSO the ONLY true God. I haven't heard a more TWISTED interpretation of a verse to FIT a FALSE doctrine.
No I am not telling you that Father, Son, and Spirit are three Gods. By the way, my view is not twisted or false.
Apostle Paul says, "...there is ONLY one God, the FATHER" (1 Cor. 8:6). Taken with John 17:3, it's CLEAR that the ONLY one TRUE God is the Father. And taking John 8:40 with these verses, it is CLEAR that Jesus is a MAN - NOT God.
You put a limit on God by saying he cannot become flesh himself.
Ed, to end this post I will say some of my replies were not Christ-like at all and for that I apologize. But do not do things like starting your topics with "Dear Friends" then later on call us blind, fanatical, ignorant hypocrites, expecting us to be kind to you. If you think we are wrong just say that. Don't call us names. And I won't either.
In Christ,
Jeff
