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Hello everyone... :wave:

I just wanted to start a thread about the thing I love the most about the Catholic Church, even though I'm not a Catholic myself.

The thing I love the most about the Catholic Church is the family. There are several reasons for this. First, I admire the dedication to abstaining from artificial birth control. I believe in keeping it natural like God intended. Second -- and this is related to the first -- I like that y'all are not afraid of big families. I personally wouldn't mind 8+... hope I didn't shock anybody, hehe... :sorry: Third, I love how much family is emphasized in your Church. I always hear about y'all having family prayer time and how good you teach your children about God and how much you love them. Well, that's all I can think of right now. I'll add some more as we go along. I would really love it if as any Catholics as possible could respond, even if it's just a little post. I would really like that. :) Thanks
 

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:) That is what brought me in...family. I even had a great family life growing up, but...I just can't explain it :)

Do the Reformed Churches stress family prayer time like the Catholic Church does? My girlfriend is Baptist and she will go to the little garden at St. Rose every once and a while to pray. She said once, "I don't agree with everything ya'll do, but the devotion is beautiful."

God Bless all my brothers and sisters,

Neal
 
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Originally posted by isshinwhat
Do the Reformed Churches stress family prayer time like the Catholic Church does?

I'm not exactly sure, considering I don't attend a strictly Reformed church at the moment. I currently attend a southern baptist church -- since that's the denomination I was raised in -- which is a bit arminian for my tastes, but oh well, whatcha gonna do? :sigh:

My girlfriend is Baptist and she will go to the little garden at St. Rose every once and a while to pray. She said once, "I don't agree with everything ya'll do, but the devotion is beautiful."

It sounds like your gf has a heart for God; you are blessed indeed, my brother! Yeah, I agree with your gf. A lot of the things Catholics do are beautiful. I especially love the different prayers; some of them are awesome!

BTW, what's it like to date a nonCatholic? Does it bother you at all? Does it ever create any tension? If so, how do you deal with it?
 
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Originally posted by Jenna
*laughs* Oh my!

Doh! Now I'm embarrassed... maybe I should have toned down the number??? hehe... :sorry:

Oh well... Scripture helps me out. ;)

Behold, children are a gift of the LORD,
The fruit of the womb is a reward.
Like arrows in the hand of a warrior,
So are the children of one's youth.
How blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them;
They will not be ashamed
When they speak with their enemies in the gate. - Psalm 127:3-5, NASB

:cool:
 
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Thanks for the Psalm. That was beautiful.

It does create some tension from time to time, but a lot of it centers around miscommunication. The whole "a friend of a friend had a friend who was born Catholic and she said they were going to deify Mary" thing :(. Luckily she has since been to Mass and has read a little about my Faith on her own, so she doesn't feel ignorant when we talk anymore. At first, I think she was a little intimidated because of her unfamiliarity.

We are also friends with my pastor, so that helps. He took us to dinner and a play, and we all had a great time. Father Wiatt's mother was born, raised, and died a Southern Baptist, and his father was Catholic, so he has been good to talk to about any future children we might have...after our marriage, of course ;)

I will go to her Southern Baptist Church with her when she attends. It is nice. She, too, has been blessed with a wonderful pastor who truly wants to follow the will of God. He is a great man, and the best preacher I have ever heard, and growing up in east Tennessee, I have heard my fair share of preachers :)

At first we didn't talk about it because it created friction, but the family that prays together, stays together. I remember one time, as she was leaving for school, she asked me if she could take my Rosary with her. I said of course. That afternoon she asked if we could go to St. Mary's and get her one. She isn't one for Marian prayers, but she says it helps her remember Christ is with her when things start to eat at her heart. Prayer and faith have worked wonders in our relationship, and I pray they continue to do so.

May the Lord Bless you on this day of His Rememberance,

Neal
 
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Originally posted by isshinwhat
Thanks for the Psalm. That was beautiful.

It's no problem. It helps me justify my "dangerously Catholic" beliefs, lol. BTW, how does your gf view artificial b/c?

It does create some tension from time to time, but a lot of it centers around miscommunication. The whole "a friend of a friend had a friend who was born Catholic and she said they were going to deify Mary" thing :(. Luckily she has since been to Mass and has read a little about my Faith on her own, so she doesn't feel ignorant when we talk anymore. At first, I think she was a little intimidated because of her unfamiliarity.

Yeah, I can appreciate that.

We are also friends with my pastor, so that helps. He took us to dinner and a play, and we all had a great time. Father Wiatt's mother was born, raised, and died a Southern Baptist, and his father was Catholic, so he has been good to talk to about any future children we might have...after our marriage, of course ;)

Plays are awesome. You should go to the Alabama Shakespeare Festival in the spring: ASF. Father Wiatt sounds like he really understands... getting ahead of yourself, eh? hehe...

I will go to her Southern Baptist Church with her when she attends. It is nice. She, too, has been blessed with a wonderful pastor who truly wants to follow the will of God. He is a great man, and the best preacher I have ever heard, and growing up in east Tennessee, I have heard my fair share of preachers :)

I think that's really cool that you're visiting her church.

At first we didn't talk about it because it created friction, but the family that prays together, stays together. I remember one time, as she was leaving for school, she asked me if she could take my Rosary with her. I said of course. That afternoon she asked if we could go to St. Mary's and get her one. She isn't one for Marian prayers, but she says it helps her remember Christ is with her when things start to eat at her heart. Prayer and faith have worked wonders in our relationship, and I pray they continue to do so.

You are so blessed brother. I am so very much looking for a girl that I can feel comfortable praying with; it is so important to me. Some girls are actually freaked out by guys that want to pray with them on dates! GO FIGURE?!?! It dumbfounds me. I want a relationship surrounded by God, because I want a family centered in and around Christ. My spirit and conscience just won't allow anything less. I need it.

As the deer pants for the water brooks,
So my soul pants for You, O God. - Psalm 42:1, NASB

If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. - Joshua 24:15, NASB

May the Lord Bless you on this day of His Rememberance,

Neal

You too bro... thanks so much for responding... respond some more! lol ;)
 
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getting ahead of yourself, eh? hehe...

Nahhh...we're being good :)

how does your gf view artificial b/c?

Well, here's the fun part... She originally had no problem with oral contraceptives, but after reading about their abortive effects, she agrees they are better left in the package. However... she has a pretty bad case of endometriosis which causes her terrible pain. Outside of a few herbal remedies that may or may not work, the standard fix is either A: Get pregnant- which will either inflame the situation or alleviate it pretty much all together- or B: be put on Birth Control. I friend from another board was a pharmacist, so he has helped out a lot and we are looking into a few new methods, but we're still reading on them as of now.

As for barrier methods, she doesn't really see the big deal. It is hard to explain the ends and outs of why it is wrong in the eyes of the Church when she's not familiar with some of the theology, but I think she understands the Catholic position better now than she did. Now its up to the Holy Spirit to convict her.

Some girls are actually freaked out by guys that want to pray with them on dates! GO FIGURE?!?! It dumbfounds me. I want a relationship surrounded by God, because I want a family centered in and around Christ. My spirit and conscience just won't allow anything less. I need it.

You know, I didn't know just how much I did need it until I met Carole. It is such a source of strength for us. It makes it much easier to let go of those selfish little things we all do and replace it with selflessness for the sake of becoming more and more one person. I believe that's only fully possible with Christ firmly in the relationship. When things get hectic and we leave Him out, even just a little, we can both tell in our dynamic. Things just go so much smoother when He's around.

As for the praying on dates. We hold hands and pray before meals, whether we're at home or at McDonald's. We get some funny looks every now and then, but you'd be surprised how many people will stop a conversation or bow their heads as well when you say grace, no matter where you are. I guess it's like being a human Rosary-in-the-pocket :) Sometimes it makes you realize how big our family really is :) God bless, Joe. I'm headed out of town until the weekend to go do some flying. Must keep current or I'll never get a good job. College was so much more convenient! :)

Peace,

Neal
 
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Thanks for the festival link, Humblejoe. We have Shakespeare in the Park here in Nashville, but that would be a fun little trip. I think I'm about to move to Gulf Shores, AL for work, so keep Carole and I in your prayers. We'll be apart for a while until we get married, so we'll need all the help we can get.

Thanks again,

Neal
 
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To Neal:

I'm living, breathing proof that long-distance relationships can WORK. And my long-distance days were back in the Stone Age, when all we had was snail mail and a very rare phone call. With email and instant messaging, you'll be more than just fine.

Trust Mom.


Peace be with you,
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Originally posted by isshinwhat
Nahhh...we're being good

Oh, no no, lol. I know you are. I was just poking fun.

Well, here's the fun part... She originally had no problem with oral contraceptives, but after reading about their abortive effects, she agrees they are better left in the package. However... she has a pretty bad case of endometriosis which causes her terrible pain. Outside of a few herbal remedies that may or may not work, the standard fix is either A: Get pregnant- which will either inflame the situation or alleviate it pretty much all together- or B: be put on Birth Control. I friend from another board was a pharmacist, so he has helped out a lot and we are looking into a few new methods, but we're still reading on them as of now.

Thank God that she realized about the pill. May God heal her through the coming of future little ones, this I pray, Amen. :bow:

As for barrier methods, she doesn't really see the big deal. It is hard to explain the ends and outs of why it is wrong in the eyes of the Church when she's not familiar with some of the theology, but I think she understands the Catholic position better now than she did. Now its up to the Holy Spirit to convict her.

I know. I used to not understand either, but now I know that barrier methods are not natural, unitive, or pleasing to God. I drew that conclusion, in fact, from some Church pamphlets on the subject. But I was also pleased to learn that founding Reformed fathers such as Calvin and Spurgeon also agreed with me.

For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. - Genesis 2:24, NASB, bolding mine

I take that passage quite literally. Sometimes peers snicker because I use that scripture for justification, and it really breaks my heart. :( But I stand firm in my conviction with God as my witness, even though they scorn my belief. I just don't understand why a married couple would purposely punish each other like that, denying God's whole and natural gift of complete physical intimacy. It's just beyond me.

You know, I didn't know just how much I did need it until I met Carole. It is such a source of strength for us. It makes it much easier to let go of those selfish little things we all do and replace it with selflessness for the sake of becoming more and more one person. I believe that's only fully possible with Christ firmly in the relationship. When things get hectic and we leave Him out, even just a little, we can both tell in our dynamic. Things just go so much smoother when He's around.

I pray that my future gf and I keep Christ at the center of our relationship. Not only would He keep us both in check, but having Him there would also continuously encourage and drive us toward a closer relationship with God, instead of us thinking we could make it on our own. We could never make it without Him, and that's the honest truth.

As for the praying on dates. We hold hands and pray before meals, whether we're at home or at McDonald's. We get some funny looks every now and then, but you'd be surprised how many people will stop a conversation or bow their heads as well when you say grace, no matter where you are. I guess it's like being a human Rosary-in-the-pocket :) Sometimes it makes you realize how big our family really is :) God bless, Joe. I'm headed out of town until the weekend to go do some flying. Must keep current or I'll never get a good job. College was so much more convenient!

Sometimes I wish I had a gf, just because we could jointly present our faith to others in public in such a gentle and humble way as through prayer. I used to think prayer was so small, just a formality for sunday worship. Now, I don't think I could live without it. Talking with God is such a precious thing, and I can't think of any greater thing than to share it with my special girl, whoever she will be. *sniffles*

BTW, have you ever tried Marian prayers around Carole? If so, how did she react? Anyhoo...

God bless and take care Neal. I look forward to talking with you again. :)
 
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Originally posted by isshinwhat
Thanks for the festival link, Humblejoe. We have Shakespeare in the Park here in Nashville, but that would be a fun little trip. I think I'm about to move to Gulf Shores, AL for work, so keep Carole and I in your prayers. We'll be apart for a while until we get married, so we'll need all the help we can get.

Yeah, ASF is completely awesome. The last time I went, not only did I see two Shakespeare plays, but I also watched a Noel Coward performance on a small "jut" stage. It was awesome. :cool:

I will keep you both in my prayers. May God protect you both and keep you together over such distance, Amen. :)
 
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Originally posted by VOW
I'm living, breathing proof that long-distance relationships can WORK. And my long-distance days were back in the Stone Age, when all we had was snail mail and a very rare phone call. With email and instant messaging, you'll be more than just fine.

That's an awesome encouragement VOW. If I get into a similar situation, I pray my future gf and I would be as strong as y'all were. Thanks so much for sharing. :hug:
 
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Wow, look what happens when I turn my back! lol They have all sorts of fun without me! Heeheehee.........

Anywho, I just wanted to say that I didn't mean to embarass you or anything. 8+ children is a great number if that makes you happy. :) Maybe I just startle easy, but I sure do get a shock every time that I see the larger numbers. lol There is a lady on a headcovering egroup that I am on that has 20 kids. Can you imagine that!?! Wow. I have my hands full with my one right now, and can't imagine how in the world that folks keep their sanity. I'm almost glad that I can't have that many children, as I don't feel confident enough that I wouldn't need to be institutionalized after having to deal with that "terrible twos" period again.
 
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