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I tried this a few months ago and got almost no response. I still would like answers.

Anybody who listens to Christians discussing dating and marriage hears the word "character" used regularly. But it is not clear if everybody has the same concept in mind when they use the word "character".

I don't know if some other word corresponds to what I have in mind--maybe "character" is not the word for it--but I mostly think of things like determination, perseverance, a strong sense of purpose, strong convictions, a strong will, a strong work ethic, etc.

Other people, it seems, use the word "character" to mean things like honesty, unselfishness, kindness, being respectful of others, etc.

I don't know if this makes any sense, but I would not really be attracted to a woman who is, say, honest. That does not mean that I don't think that honesty is good. That does not mean that I don't think that honesty is important. It does not mean that if a woman is dishonest that I would not care--on the contrary, I believe that it is important for people to be honest in all relationships, and I don't get along well with dishonest people. All that it means is that I am not particularly attracted to a woman who is honest, just like I am not particularly attracted to a woman who, say, has no criminal record.

It seems that people use "character" negatively. They use "character" as a litmus test to reject potential friends, lovers, etc. Either that or people have a strange way of perceiving and evaluating others. Saying that one finds unselfishness "attractive" and "beautiful" makes about as much sense as saying that one finds a good credit rating "attractive" and "beautiful".

But if by "honesty" people mean something deeper and more complex than the mere observable fact of telling the truth all of the time (one can tell the truth all of the time simply out of habit) then I can see how that would be attractive. The fact of telling the truth all of the time is one thing, the energy produced by a conscious effort to be more trustworthy and more responsible is quite another. The latter energy would be attractive.

I don't have a list that I compare people to and evaluate them with. Rather, I find myself subconsciously admiring and appreciating certain things in people and then when I consciously identify those things I see a pattern. That is identifying parts of people's character.

I really don't know what other people mean by "character" in the context of intimate relationships. People could have in mind some formal philosophy of virtues or some set of traits that are Biblically revealed to be good and I would not know it.

What do others mean by "character"? Keep in mind the context. I am talking about the use of the word in discussions about dating and marriage--like when people say things like, "Looks are not important. It is character that is important".
 

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LOVEthroughINTELLECT said:
Anybody who listens to Christians discussing dating and marriage hears the word "character" used regularly. But it is not clear if everybody has the same concept in mind when they use the word "character".

I don't know if some other word corresponds to what I have in mind--maybe "character" is not the word for it--but I mostly think of things like determination, perseverance, a strong sense of purpose, strong convictions, a strong will, a strong work ethic, etc.

Other people, it seems, use the word "character" to mean things like honesty, unselfishness, kindness, being respectful of others, etc.

See 'character' as defined at dictionary dot com.

Everything you mentioned above falls under definition #4: "Moral or ethical strength."


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What do others mean by "character"? Keep in mind the context. I am talking about the use of the word in discussions about dating and marriage--like when people say things like, "Looks are not important. It is character that is important".
While I may be mistaken, it appears that your focus is on the "Looks are not important" part, instead of the "It is character that is important" part.

In my experience, no amount of looks can make up for lack of character. Most women are pretty, but good character is less common. It's already a given that a woman I'm physically attracted to will be good looking. It is not a given that the woman will have good character. In light of bad character, looks are not important.
 
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When it comes to character, there are a lot of different things that I try to look for; Mrkguy has an excellent post for demonstrating why it's important ^.

I usually look at character in a positive sense, everyone has character in one way or another; The combination of qualities or features that distinguishes one person, group, or thing from another.
I look for women who have such qualities that would compliment my personality in a relationship instead of clashing with my personality.
So when I say "character", I'm refering to positive moral, ethical, intellectual, and emotional qualities, as well as a quality in humor that I appreciate. ;)
 
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mrkguy75 said:
While I may be mistaken, it appears that your focus is on the "Looks are not important" part, instead of the "It is character that is important" part.



"Looks" is what "character" seems to most often be contrasted with. But, with respect to the desirability and attractiveness of romantic partners, "character" is also often contrasted with wealth, income, social status, and health, to name a few. ("Money is not important. It is character that is important"; "Popularity is not important. It is character that is important"; etc.).

It is like people have a prejudice against those who are wealthy, earn a relatively high income, are popular/famous, have exceptional health and are physically beautiful and they use "character" as a litmus test to see if there is any good behind those statuses and features.

I think that there is a significant difference between things like wealth, income and social status and character. Wealth, income and social status are often the result of people trying to impress others in order to secure certain social advantages. However, things like honesty, humility and perseverance often develop in other ways. While one can make a marginal choice to be honest in a certain situation because the benefits would be greater than the costs, and while such marginal choices can accumulate into a habit and a pattern, one can also develop honesty out of self-reflection according to ideals and standards, such as ideals and standards revealed in the Bible. And self-reflection is only one other possibility. A person may have, for example, developed perseverance by surviving difficult circumstances. True appreciation, whether one is considering wealth, "looks", "character" or something in between, will be realized when one recognizes how a quality in a person has developed, in my humble opinion. A person's character may have nothing to do with impressing the opposite sex. Therefore, using "character" to evaluate and accept or reject a person as a potential romantic partner may be missing out on a lot of what he/she has to offer.
 
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I think you're correct in that the idea of "character" is used as a sort of litmus test, but I don't think that's a bad thing. I should think, though, that it's a universal litmus test- if you've ever had a roommate, it's hard to avoid. Much more so if you're considering someone you may end up being married with.

Most of the character traits that I, for instance, find important, would be relatable to how one deals with money, attraction, success, friendship, education, other people in general, etc.. in either a dirrect, or an indirrect way. Those traits aren't stuck in a vacuum from the rest of an individual's personality; they effect the whole just as much as everything else. How they develop is dirrectly related to the decisions a person has made and the values a person holds, so of course the character of an individual is going to be important in understanding that process.

Again, you're correct when you say it may have little to do with impressing the opposite sex, I'd imagine it has everything to do with who a person is and whether they're compatible with your personality because of who they've become through their life, joys, and hardships.
 
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intricatic said:
I think you're correct in that the idea of "character" is used as a sort of litmus test, but I don't think that's a bad thing. I should think, though, that it's a universal litmus test- if you've ever had a roommate, it's hard to avoid. Much more so if you're considering someone you may end up being married with.

Most of the character traits that I, for instance, find important, would be relatable to how one deals with money, attraction, success, friendship, education, other people in general, etc.. in either a dirrect, or an indirrect way. Those traits aren't stuck in a vacuum from the rest of an individual's personality; they effect the whole just as much as everything else. How they develop is dirrectly related to the decisions a person has made and the values a person holds, so of course the character of an individual is going to be important in understanding that process.

Again, you're correct when you say it may have little to do with impressing the opposite sex, I'd imagine it has everything to do with who a person is and whether they're compatible with your personality because of who they've become through their life, joys, and hardships.




I just notice that the litmus test--the practical concerns--are not what character means to me. Like you say, that practical approach is not a bad thing. Everybody does it. Employers making hiring decisions and organizations deciding who to award scholarships to do it as much as people choosing a roommate or a partner. It is an important part of a lot of decision making.

I mostly see it as something to appreciate and admire, however. And for whatever reason, I find certain qualities to be especially admirable.

Am I alone with my view of character?
 
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LOVEthroughINTELLECT said:
I just notice that the litmus test--the practical concerns--are not what character means to me. Like you say, that practical approach is not a bad thing. Everybody does it. Employers making hiring decisions and organizations deciding who to award scholarships to do it as much as people choosing a roommate or a partner. It is an important part of a lot of decision making.

I mostly see it as something to appreciate and admire, however. And for whatever reason, I find certain qualities to be especially admirable.

Am I alone with my view of character?
Not at all. :)

It is something to appreciate and admire; that's why it's sought after. It's not just the practical element, although that is a definite consideration. One doesn't look at romance like keeping a bank account, afterall. ;) It's a much larger consideration that encompasses the entire person, not just little details; the little details are what make up the entire person, though.
 
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LOVEthroughINTELLECT said:
I just notice that the litmus test--the practical concerns--are not what character means to me. Like you say, that practical approach is not a bad thing. Everybody does it. Employers making hiring decisions and organizations deciding who to award scholarships to do it as much as people choosing a roommate or a partner. It is an important part of a lot of decision making.

I mostly see it as something to appreciate and admire, however. And for whatever reason, I find certain qualities to be especially admirable.

Am I alone with my view of character?
I would say I lean more your way, because I certainly understand “character” as something far deeper than a group of actions or habits, which I agree is often what the word is reduced to.

However, I am also one of those people, who understands for example “honest” as describing someone’s combination of intelligence, trust in others (gives the benefit of the doubt), and sense of personal identity instead of their record of truthfulness. So I may just reframe every word to suit me :)
 
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LOVEthroughINTELLECT said:
All that it means is that I am not particularly attracted to a woman who is honest, just like I am not particularly attracted to a woman who, say, has no criminal record.

I am attracted to good character. That's how I choose my friends... I don't have friends who are dishonest or who are criminals, and I think attraction (not physical attraction) has a lot to do with how we choose who we spend our time with.

With romantic attraction you have two layers: someone you are romantically/physically attracted to, and someone who you are attracted to as a friend. It doesn't do any good to have the most amazing looking boyfriend whose morals are all shot to hell.
 
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Mskedi said:
I am attracted to good character. That's how I choose my friends... I don't have friends who are dishonest or who are criminals, and I think attraction (not physical attraction) has a lot to do with how we choose who we spend our time with.

With romantic attraction you have two layers: someone you are romantically/physically attracted to, and someone who you are attracted to as a friend. It doesn't do any good to have the most amazing looking boyfriend whose morals are all shot to hell.
I agree with Mskedi for the most part. But I see nothing wrong with desiring someone that is trustworthy. There is nothing negative in that.
 
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