Anointing with oil

amijonah · Jan 8, 2006

Hello everyone,

I was wondering if anyone has ever been anointed with oil and if so how did it help you with anything you were struggling with?

The reason i am asking this is i was anointed with oil at church today for the first time. I have been going to church for about nine months and today was the first time i have ever received this. Normally when it comes to coming forward for anything i will not go, no matter how much i would like to. Recently i have been feeling as if i have been standing still with my relationship with jesus but today though i felt it was time to take another step closer to him and hopefully this will help.

So if anyone has any thoughts on this i would be glad to hear what you think.

Thanks

ZiSunka · Jan 8, 2006

I have been anointed and have seen many other people anointed and if it is done properly, it has much power through the Holy Spirit to heal. But if it is just a matter of praying and marking with oil, it doesn't have much power. Anointing starts with confession, then with prayer from the elders with the laying on of hands, then with the oil. It doesn't seem to work well without the person confessing their sins beforehand. Confession can be private, but it must be done.

Joykins · Jan 8, 2006

We had our son annointed when he was a baby and we first found out about his heart condition. I have no idea how he felt afterwards. However, for the past 5 years there has been no cause for heart surgery yet, praise God :clap:

Peppermint Patty · Jan 8, 2006

Joykins said:
We had our son annointed when he was a baby and we first found out about his heart condition. I have no idea how he felt afterwards. However, for the past 5 years there has been no cause for heart surgery yet, praise God

That is so wonderful, praise God!
I haven't seen or known of anyone who has been anointed with oil, but I'm glad someone brought this up because I think as baptists we have come away from this practice for the most part. The whole idea seems foreign to most people (including myself) because it is just not done very often anymore, and I think most of us don't even know how it should be done. Yet, it is written in the NT, so shouldn't we do it more?

arunma · Jan 8, 2006

amijonah said:
Hello everyone,

I was wondering if anyone has ever been anointed with oil and if so how did it help you with anything you were struggling with?

The reason i am asking this is i was anointed with oil at church today for the first time. I have been going to church for about nine months and today was the first time i have ever received this. Normally when it comes to coming forward for anything i will not go, no matter how much i would like to. Recently i have been feeling as if i have been standing still with my relationship with jesus but today though i felt it was time to take another step closer to him and hopefully this will help.

So if anyone has any thoughts on this i would be glad to hear what you think.

Thanks

A Pentecostal woman once annointed my mother with oil, and it did help with her arthritis for awhile. But she isn't a Christian, and her faith in the mere existence of God is quite variable, so as Lambslove said: it depends on faith, not the oil.

DeaconDean · Jan 8, 2006

I don't know how anyone else feels about anointing, but I fully believe in it. I was anointed when I was ordained a deacon and since then I have been through seminary, earned my B.A., and my Masters in theology, and now I'm working on my doctorate. I am a Pastoral Care minister in my church where I visit church members and their family in the hospitals and nursing homes and whenever I visit in the hospital i always ask if they want to be anointed, never lost one yet. God is good!

"14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him." (James 5:14-15)

Joykins · Jan 8, 2006

The church we currently attend is a Christian and Missionary Alliance church. The C&MA emphasizes Christ as Healer -- the motto is Jesus Christ is our Savior, Sanctifier, Healer and Coming King. I have found that the annointing with oil is done much more frequently (it is done during the service a few times a year, and also sometimes after the service upon request) than in the Baptist, nondenom, and Brethren churches I have attended.

micro · Jan 9, 2006

I am somewhat confused. The only verses we have on anointing with oil, if we are to keep them in context is for a sick member of the church to be anointed by the elders. I assume the outcome is intended to be for healing of the sick!? (statement not question)

Why then have many of you listed thing things or reasons that you were anointed with oil that have nothing to do with what the scripture has laid out? I am not trying to start an argument i just see many christians that add thing to the scriptures! Doesnt anyone else take them literaly anymore?

If i am wrong and there are other scripture verses that support why you were anointed with oil, then please post them so i can expand my knowledge and understanding of the scriptures.

arunma · Jan 9, 2006

micro said:
I am somewhat confused. The only verses we have on anointing with oil, if we are to keep them in context is for a sick member of the church to be anointed by the elders. I assume the outcome is intended to be for healing of the sick!? (statement not question)

Why then have many of you listed thing things or reasons that you were anointed with oil that have nothing to do with what the scripture has laid out? I am not trying to start an argument i just see many christians that add thing to the scriptures! Doesnt anyone else take them literaly anymore?

If i am wrong and there are other scripture verses that support why you were anointed with oil, then please post them so i can expand my knowledge and understanding of the scriptures.

To my knowledge, there are no others. But traditionally, the early church annointed people with oil as a part of baptism. And one does not need to be a Catholic in order to learn from tradition, right?

DeaconDean · Jan 9, 2006

micro said:
If i am wrong and there are other scripture verses that support why you were anointed with oil, then please post them so i can expand my knowledge and understanding of the scriptures.

Here you go, right out of Naves Topical Bible on the topic of "anointing."

The whys as to anointing one with oil.

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Of the body
Deuteronomy 28:40; Ruth 3:3; Esther 2:12; Psalms 92:10; 104:15; 141:5; Proverbs 27:9,16; Ecclesiastes 9:8; Solomon 1:3; 4:10; Isaiah 57:9; Amos 6:6; Micah 6:15

Of guests
2 Chronicles 28:15; Luke 7:46

Of the sick
Isaiah 1:6; Mark 6:13; Luke 10:34; James 5:14; Revelation 3:18

Of the dead
Matthew 26:12; Mark 14:8; 16:1; Luke 23:56

Of Jesus, as a token of love
Luke 7:37,38,46; John 11:2; 12:3

Omitted in mourning
2 Samuel 12:20; 14:2; Isaiah 61:3; Daniel 10:3

God Preserves those who receive
Psalms 18:50; 20:6; 89:20-23

Saints receive
Isaiah 61:3; 1 John 2:20

IN CONSECRATION

OF HIGH PRIESTS
Exodus 29:7,29; 40:13; Leviticus 6:20; 8:12; 16:32; Numbers 35:25; Psalms 133:2

OF PRIESTS
Exodus 28:41; 30:30; 40:15; Leviticus 4:3; 8:30; Numbers 3:3

OF KINGS
Judges 9:8,15

Saul
1 Samuel 9:16; 10:1; 15:1

David
1 Samuel 16:3,12,13; 2 Samuel 2:4; 5:3; 12:7; 19:21; 1 Chronicles 11:3

Solomon
1 Kings 1:39; 1 Chronicles 29:22

Jehu
1 Kings 19:16; 2 Kings 9:1-3,6,12

Hazael
1 Kings 19:15

Joash
2 Kings 11:12; 2 Chronicles 23:11

Jehoahaz
2 Kings 23:30

Cyrus
Isaiah 45:1

OF PROPHETS
1 Kings 19:16

OF THE TABERNACLE
Exodus 30:26; 40:9; Leviticus 8:10; Numbers 7:1

Altars of
Exodus 30:26-28; 40:10; Leviticus 8:11; Numbers 7:1

Vessels of
Exodus 30:27,28; 40:9,10; Leviticus 8:10,11; Numbers 7:1

JACOBS PILLAR: at Beth-el
Genesis 28:18; 31:13; 35:14

See DEDICATION

FIGURATIVE

Of Christs kingly and priestly office
Psalms 45:7; 89:20; Isaiah 61:1; Daniel 9:24; Luke 4:18; Acts 4:27; 10:38; Hebrews 1:9

Of spiritual gifts
2 Corinthians 1:21; 1 John 2:20,27

TYPIFIED

Exodus 40:13-15; Leviticus 8:12; 1 Samuel 16:13; 1 Kings 19:16

SYMBOLICAL

Of Jesus
Matthew 26:7-12; John 12:3-7

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[font=Arial, Helvetica]I hope this is what you needed. Also let me add, if you do not have a Nave's Topical Bible, get one, they are fairly cheap, and you can search the scriptures by topic and find all the Bible passages which are relevant to that topic.
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HumbleMan · Jan 9, 2006

I believe that the oil itself, much like baptismal water and the Lord's Supper, is nothing in and of itself, but rather symbolic of our faith in Christ to heal us. I've been annointed once, and it did bring great peace to me (you might say I was "healed" of a troubled spirit).

jenptcfan · Jan 9, 2006

I've never seen this happen in a Baptist church, but it's biblical and I would have no problem with it if done scripturally.

Athanasian Creed · Jan 9, 2006

jenptcfan said:
I've never seen this happen in a Baptist church, but it's biblical and I would have no problem with it if done scripturally.

My mom in the early 70's was diagnosed with a tumor on the brain. We were attending a Baptist church and she asked the pastor if he would anoint her, along with the elders, with oil. He replied that he had never done it before but, because it was Scriptural, he did not object.

The pastor and elders came over to our house and the pastor anointed her with oil, and he, the elders and myself laid hands on her and prayed a simple prayer in obedience to the verse in James.

A week later, my mom went back to the doctor, and, low and behold, the tumor was gone! The doctor confirmed it by x-ray and admitted that it was indeed a miracle. It gave my mom a wonderful opportunity to witness to the doctor of God's love.

So...there you go. Believe and obey what the Word of the Lord says...it works!!

Ray

jenptcfan · Jan 9, 2006

Athanasian Creed said:
My mom in the early 70's was diagnosed with a tumor on the brain. We were attending a Baptist church and she asked the pastor if he would anoint her, along with the elders, with oil. He replied that he had never done it before but, because it was Scriptural, he did not object.

The pastor and elders came over to our house and the pastor anointed her with oil, and he, the elders and myself laid hands on her and prayed a simple prayer in obedience to the verse in James.

A week later, my mom went back to the doctor, and, low and behold, the tumor was gone! The doctor confirmed it by x-ray and admitted that it was indeed a miracle. It gave my mom a wonderful opportunity to witness to the doctor of God's love.

So...there you go. Believe and obey what the Word of the Lord says...it works!!

Ray

Amen and Amen! God is good!

arunma · Jan 9, 2006

Athanasian Creed said:
My mom in the early 70's was diagnosed with a tumor on the brain. We were attending a Baptist church and she asked the pastor if he would anoint her, along with the elders, with oil. He replied that he had never done it before but, because it was Scriptural, he did not object.

The pastor and elders came over to our house and the pastor anointed her with oil, and he, the elders and myself laid hands on her and prayed a simple prayer in obedience to the verse in James.

A week later, my mom went back to the doctor, and, low and behold, the tumor was gone! The doctor confirmed it by x-ray and admitted that it was indeed a miracle. It gave my mom a wonderful opportunity to witness to the doctor of God's love.

So...there you go. Believe and obey what the Word of the Lord says...it works!!

Ray

Wow, that's quite an inspiring testimony.

InnerPhyre · Jan 9, 2006

Praise God. That's a great story. Several members of my church have been miraculously healed after receiving the annointing of the sick. Two people have been immediately cured of their cancer. I was annointed when I was received into the Orthodox Church, as are all Orthodox and it was a really amazing experience.

MatthewPoole · Jan 9, 2006

Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
(James 5:14 KJV)

Indeed, one of the most taken out of context scriptures, ever...

First off, let's look at when James was written...:

Date: Tradition fixes the martyrdom of James in the year 62, but his Epistle shows no trace of the larger revelations concerning the church and the distinctive doctrines of grace made through the Apostle Paul, nor even of the discussion concerning the relation of Gentile converts to the law of Moses, which culminated in the first council (Acts 15), over which James presided. This presumes the very early date of James, which may confidently be set down as "the first Epistle to Christians."--Weston.

Theme: By "the twelve tribes scattered abroad" we are to understand, not Jews, but Christian Jews of the Dispersion. The church began with such Act_2:5-11 and James, who seems not to have left Jerusalem, would feel a particular pastoral responsibility for these scattered sheep. They still resorted to the synagogues, or called their own assemblies by that name Jam_2:2, where "assembly" is "synagogue" in the Gr.). It appears from Jam_2:1-8 that they still held the synagogue courts for the trial of causes arising amongst themselves. The Epistle, then, is elementary in the extreme. To suppose that Jam_2:14-26 is a polemic against Paul's doctrine of justification is absurd. Neither Galatians nor Romans was yet written. -- Old Scofield Notes

James was written in 60 A.D. to the EARLY Church, Not to the modern day Christian. James was exorting (or enouraging) the early Church or more closely, the Christian Jews of the dispersion. and it gives a model of how such a thing should be done.

The reason why this isn't done today, is because this scripture isn't for today, it's for the early Church. But in the next line, This is what we as Christians should do for other when they are sick...:

Jam 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Further more, When Paul was trying to heal himself, from his thorn in the flesh... didn't Jesus say to him?:

For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me. And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong. (2 Corinthians 12:6-10 KJV)

That being said... We as Christians, and Baptist's SHOULD NOT seek after "signs and Wonders and Miricles... But should look forward to our new Glorified Body, Which is in Heaven...

And in case someone has a problem with that... Here's what Matthew Poole, Of whom my Screen name is based on said about that Scripture...:

Is any sick? Or infirm, though not desperately and incurably.
Let him call for the elders; especially teaching elders, they being usually best furnished with gifts who labour in the word and doctrine, 1Ti_5:17. It is in the plural number, either by an enallage for the singular; q.d. Let him send for some or other of the elders; or, because there were in those times usually several elders (an ecclesiastical senate) in each church.

And let them pray over him; as it were setting him before God, and presenting him to him, which might be a means to stir up the greater affection and warmth in prayer; see 1Ki_17:21 2Ki_4:33,34 Joh 11:41 Act_20:10 9:40: or laying on their hands, as Act_28:8, which yet seems to be for the same end. Anointing him with oil; an outward rite used in those times, in miraculous healing sick persons, which might then be kept up, while the gift whereof it was the symbol continued; but the gift ceasing, it is vainly used. These cures were sometimes wrought only with a word, Act_9:34 14:10 16:18: sometimes by taking by the hand, or embracing, Act_3:7 20:10; sometimes by laying on of hands, Mar_16:18 Act_9:17; sometimes by anointing with oil, Mar_6:13: and so this is not an institution of a sacrament, but a command, that those elders that had the gift of healing, (as many in those days had), being called by the sick to come to them, should (the Spirit of the Lord so directing them) exercise that gift, as well as pray over them.

In the name of the Lord; either, calling upon the Lord, and so joining prayer with their anointing; or, in the name, is by the authority of the Lord, from whom they had received that gift.

See? It's not just my opinion, this was accepted doctrine, LONG before the "pentecostal" movement ever got started...

MP
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MrJim · Jan 9, 2006

MatthewPoole said:
James was written in 60 A.D. to the EARLY Church, Not to the modern day Christian. MP

So I'm hearing you say that James 5:14 is for the early church but James 5:15 is for the modern church?

I don't think that is sound hermenuetical interpretation. I've heard people taking large sections of scripture (1Cor11 head covering, or Sermon on the Mount) and contextualizing them either by dispensation or culture. But to take a passage, say one sentence is for then and the next for now, when the author doesn't explain it that way, just doesn't sound right.

And I don't think any of the folks answering here were pentecostal...

jenptcfan · Jan 9, 2006

MatthewPoole said:
That being said... We as Christians, and Baptist's SHOULD NOT seek after "signs and Wonders and Miricles... But should look forward to our new Glorified Body, Which is in Heaven...

So miracles don't happen anymore? :scratch:

I agree that we should look forward to our new glorified bodies in heaven. That's going to be so cool! But at the same time, God still works in miraculous ways today. Sometimes he chooses to heal people when the doctors have offered no hope. He works in ways in which he will be glorified...sometimes that's through healing and miraculous things, sometimes not. But I'm not going to limit how God works. He's God. He can do whatever he wants.

Sungar · Jan 9, 2006

My husband 2years ago came down with a rare form of leukemia. No one has survived it only 10 people a year get this in the USA. He had chemo and after the chemo he still had the leukemia in his bone marrow. He went forward a church and was annointed and prayed for. I do not believe that praying or annointing are going to cure you only God will and that is only if it is His will.

My husband did get completely cured of the leukemia; it didn't even show in his bone marrow. We were able to take a trip for two weeks. He was in complete remission for 6 months. I felt God telling me this is temporary but to enjoy each other with the time He gave us.

He died October 31st, 2005. We would have been married 45 years December 31st, 2005. God is a miracle worker and I am so grateful He gave us that time. I look forward to seeing my Father God and my husband when it is my time. I believe in James 5:14& 15 but I believe that God would have done it with prayer as well. We just did it because the Bible said.

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