Prove the intelligent designer doesn't exist

Try to prove anything doesn't exist.

You can't disprove Iggy. Therefore, Iggy exists.

Just to be clear, no one has ever proven anything doesn't exist. It can't bwe done. Everything you have ever imagined could exist. So now what?

Only one designer?

You can't disprove the existence of anything. Frankly, I would argue that you can't prove anything. However, if we have a list of properties and that list contains, say, A and !A, or A and !A can be reached, then we may be able to say that we can show that an idea is not logically feasible.

I still consider it an absurd leap for a person to make. There is no good reason to make such a silly assumption.

At least they chose "Intelligent Designer" instead of the "Christian Designer".

Prove that there is no spoon.

delur said:

Can you prove the intelligent designer doesn't exist? (i.e. the intelligent designer of the universe and the biological and physical world)

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One all-powerful, benevolent entity creating the entirety of the biological world? Sure.

1. Suboptimal and dangerous anatomy; who among us hasn't heard of a person having appendicitis surgery? How many car accidents and deaths have been caused by our blind spot, which squid and octopi don't have?

Other animals have far fewer problems with birth than we do; the comparatively large size of our infants' heads and narrow pelvis for bipedal locomotion are a recipe for disaster. , and this can be accounted for by our bodies being suboptimal for a bipedal, highly intelligent lifestyle.

2. Parasitism; leprosy, and tuberculosis, and the Plague, and blood-feeding fish that crawl up unsuspecting people's urethras, worms whose sole purpose is feasting on the eye's interior and causing blindness, ants that crack open the head of their own larvae and feast on the liquid inside, crustaceans that eat the tongue of a fish and hook themselves in its place to steal additional food, etc.


The Tongue-Eating Isopod, which sucks blood from a fish's tongue until the structure atrophies and dies. The isopod then hooks itself into position (shown above) as a 'replacement' tongue, getting first dibs on all food the fish obtains. One of God's greatest hits? You decide!

3. Biological arms races; these include anything from immune systems and their subversion countermeasures, to sharper teeth vs. thicker hides, to more efficient systems of chasing down and tearing apart prey vs. faster legs and better evasion techniques.

This can get quite amazing at times, such as when a snake has massively toxic venom while its prey has massive resistance to venom. The curious result can be poison that quickly kills a large animal with one droplet of injection, or a mouse-sized critter that can resist doses of ordinary venom that would kill a blue whale, for example.

This, unfortunately, often has consequences outside of the immediate area. Well-adapted teeth are just as good at tearing apart human throats as that of a gazelle, for instance... so is snake and spider venom, which can have unexpected physiological effects, including mind-numbing pain, depending on which species is on the receiving end.

If there's a biological weapon, there's a countermeasure somewhere in nature. And if there's a countermeasure, there's a way to subvert it. Nature is the ultimate arms race, red in tooth and claw, not the Utopia which could be expected to exist if "The Designer" did (at least assuming "The Designer" was sane and not sociopathic). However, the state of the world remains very probable if many designers, each with competing goals and dislike for the designs of others, were responsible. Score one for polytheism and the experimental-alien-war-zone hypothesis!

Your entire post is explained by the effect of sin in the world, WinAce. It was perfect in its original state, but ruined because of that little incident involving forbidden fruit. But one day it will be made perfect again. The lion will lie down with the lamb. The child will put his hand in the adder's nest and not be bitten.

Stock Christian Answer #243

delur said:

Can you prove the intelligent designer doesn't exist? (i.e. the intelligent designer of the universe and the biological and physical world)

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no.
now what?

C'mon Dawn... "Only one designer?" What committee could have come up with all this??

Winace, your evidence only proves we need to rethink the meaning of "intelligent." There are many things that appeared useless until we learned what they were and how they functioned. You are using "man's wisdom" as the standard instead of "God's wisdom."

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That's what explanatory/predictive power is for, PastorFreud. Even the fundiest of fundies can't deny that parasites can be directly predicted on the basis of, say, a malevolent god, but the exact opposite on the basis of a benevolent one. Sure, you can explain away those things--but you can explain away anything, even all the myriad observations that demonstrate the earth isn't flat. Unless you can do so in a way more parsimonious and demonstrable than taking the evidence at face value, such ad hoc rationalizations remain unconvincing.

To the OP:
Um Why? I, and many other atheists have never made the claim that "an inteligent designer doesn't exist." We, at least I, have made the claim that "currently we have yet to see any evidence for an inteligent designer, thus we do not believe in one."
Just like, "currently we have yet to see any evidence that flying hamsters pull planes and other objects to the ground, thus we do not believe in them."

So, if we are talking about proof, since we have made no claim that an inteligent designer doesn't exist, and you seem to be making the claim that an inteligent designer does exist, the burden of proof is on you, to proove that an inteligent designer does exist.

WinAce said:

That's what explanatory/predictive power is for, PastorFreud. Even the fundiest of fundies can't deny that parasites can be directly predicted on the basis of, say, a malevolent god, but the exact opposite on the basis of a benevolent one. Sure, you can explain away those things--but you can explain away anything, even all the myriad observations that demonstrate the earth isn't flat. Unless you can do so in a way more parsimonious and demonstrable than taking the evidence at face value, such ad hoc rationalizations remain unconvincing.

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*sigh* you can say that about anything then winace. that building outside can't have a creator either. It leans, it shifts, it will fall if hit by a 9.0 earthquake.

delur said:

Can you prove the intelligent designer doesn't exist? (i.e. the intelligent designer of the universe and the biological and physical world)

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You're the one making the claim that an intelligent designer exists, so you have the burden of proof.

(yes, that's me)

ObbiQuiet said:

(yes, that's me)

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LOL man ... that is one scary frown!

That face took every bit of mental concentration and physical prowess that I had.