Could this be the Israel Peace Covenent thats confirmed?

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http://www.jnewswire.com/news_archive/04/01/040121_geneva.asp

was reading on a news site and came across this article from Jerusalem ....it says the US,UN,EU, and Russia very well might confirm the Geneva Accord.

made me go.....

read and see what you guys think.....if they are again working to enforce this..and look WHO is involved...the EU.

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PA official: Quartet could adopt Geneva Accord
By Jerusalem Newswire Editorial Staff
January 21, 2004

Jerusalem (jnewswire.com) - Far from fizzling into oblivion, the Geneva Accord could soon be adopted by the so-called Quartet - the US, UN, EU and Russia -according to senior Palestinian Authority figure Yasser Abed-Rabbo.

And all the while, despite the terrible price paid by their fellow Jews as a result of the disastrous Oslo Process, the Israelis most responsible for spawning that initiative are actively pursuing their clandestine efforts to push forward a pro-Palestine blueprint for Middle East peace.

Fruitful meeting in France

According to Abed-Rabbo, a former PA Cabinet member and one of the coordinators of the secret meetings that birthed Oslo, France has committed to working on the rest of the Quartet to officially adopt the Geneva plan.

Abed-Rabbo dropped this bombshell after meeting in Paris Monday with French Foreign Minister Dominique De Villepin. With the Palestinian was chief Israeli Oslo architect and Geneva co-author Yossi Beilin.

During their meeting, De Villepin reportedly said that his country "greets with enthusiasm the Geneva Accord and will call upon the European Union to officially adopt the accord in the first meeting at the ministerial level."

France, one of the most anti-Semitic countries on the Continent, has an openly pro-Arab, anti-Israel Middle Eastern policy.

The EU, UN and Russia have all been working to take Middle East peacemaking out of the controlling hands of the Americans.

Earlier, Abed-Rabbo told AFP that the US and its Quartet partners were showing "encouraging signs" of endorsing Geneva.

He said UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan had also said he would raise the Geneva issue at the next meeting of the four.

Strategic delay?

In a related developments, Ha'aretz reports Wednesday that a mass rally called to promote the Geneva Accords, and scheduled for this coming Saturday in Tel Aviv, has been delayed until next month, purportedly due to anticipated rainy weather.

Abed Rabbo is listed as a key speaker at the event.

[Ed note: Time will tell whether the rally has been postponed for reasons of inclemency, or in a strategic move to align the rally with De Villepin's bid to get the EU to officially adopt Geneva.]

The Geneva Accord

While its preamble says it is a draft agreement between the State of Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization, the Geneva Accord is not an official document; no member of the Israeli government played any part in its creation.

It was, in fact, drawn up by two people acting in their private capacity: Abed-Rabbo, who had to have had Arafat's blessing to proceed, and Beilin, whose nation blackballed him in the last general elections.

Nonetheless, a number of international leaders, including US Secretary of State Colin Powell, have accorded legitimacy to the rogue document.

In the Geneva Accord, Israel agrees to return to the 1967 borders and permit the immediate creation of a Palestinian state called Palestine on the biblical heartland of the Jewish people, and in the Gaza Strip.

Israel would straightaway, and irreversibly, recognize the State of Palestine.

All settlements in the new Palestine would be evacuated of their Jewish inhabitants and handed, intact, to the Arafat Authority.

Jerusalem would be divided and become the capital of both states. The Temple Mount, holiest site in all of Judaism, would be surrendered to the Palestinian Arabs, forever.

Skullduggery abounds

Meanwhile, a series of events in Israel has given rise to the suspicion that the rest of the gang behind the devastating Oslo Accords are working round the clock to regain the initiative and push forward their land-for-peace agenda.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon revealed earlier this week that he had obtained details of a secret meeting held at the home of Norwegian Ambassador to Israel Mona Juul.

Attending the gathering were all the key players behind the Oslo Process, including Juul, her husband Terje Roed-Larsen, who is the UN's special envoy to the Middle East, Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia, Israeli Labor Party leader Shimon Peres and two of his closest assistants from the past, Uri Savir and Avi Gil. Only Beilin and Abed-Rabbo were not there.

Roed-Larsen had "smuggled" Qureia in, Sharon said, saying the fact that the PA premier was holding meetings with Peres could explain why he had so far failed to meet with Israel's elected leader.

Creating lots of smoke…

Employing a classic deterrence tactic, Peres together with other leftist Knesset Members, pounced on Sharon, suggesting he had utilized the Shin Bet internal security service to pass information about the activities of Israel's opposition leader.

Sharon denied having used the Shin Bet, and said his information came from someone who had been present at the meeting.

Following his disclosure, Ha'aretz reports that Norway's government suspects its embassy in Tel Aviv, and its ambassador's residence, have been wiretapped by Israeli intelligence.

[Ed note: When it comes to the Israeli left's efforts to advance their program: where there is smoke, fire is never far away. For now, attention has successfully been diverted from the meeting itself, and from what possibly took place there.]
 

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My wife is a member of the EU, and she does not like to be referred to as "the beast".

Also: to all you in US that think we in EU are the beast. Just beacuse of you we will have a revival in Western Europe that in comparison will make you look like alle the beasts in Daniel and the false prophet-beast at the same time. Get that?
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Once again could someone please show me the scripture where it talks about a peace Treaty.

I have read and re read and I see no peace treaty in prophecy.

So lets have some verses ...........or....................Are we talking about Doctrines of Men and not the word of God.
 
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Hi, Just the facts!

I think the treaty he is referring to is in Revelations. The 7 year treaty between Israel and the AC, that is to get broken halfway through.

If this is not the correct treaty the thread starter was referring to will someone correct me and give me and just the correct answer.

Thanks..
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Just The Facts said:
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Once again could someone please show me the scripture where it talks about a peace Treaty.

I have read and re read and I see no peace treaty in prophecy.

So lets have some verses ...........or....................Are we talking about Doctrines of Men and not the word of God.

JTF.......Dan. 9..27....and he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week...this is in context with Daniel speaking of the prince that shall come.......
 
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ikester said:
JTF.......Dan. 9..27....and he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week...this is in context with Daniel speaking of the prince that shall come.......

"Dan 9:26 And after310 threescore8346 and two8147 weeks7620 shall Messiah4899 be cut off,3772 but not369 for himself: and the people5971 of the prince5057 that shall come935 shall destroy7843 the city5892 and the sanctuary;6944 and the end7093 thereof shall be with a flood,7858 and unto5704 the end7093 of the war4421 desolations8074 are determined.2782
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm1396 the covenant1285 with many7227 for one259 week:7620 and in the midst2677 of the week7620 he shall cause the sacrifice2077 and the oblation4503 to cease,7673 and for5921 the overspreading3671 of abominations8251 he shall make it desolate,8074 even until5704 the consummation,3617 and that determined2782 shall be poured5413 upon5921 the desolate.8076
" (KJV)

My two cents on this is that "he" that shall "confirm the covenant" is the messiah. Grammaticly this is the one the verse 27 refers back to. "The covenant" is the covenant with Israel that messiah came to fulfill. (btw, it doenst say that he will MAKE a covenant, but just CONFIRM one that already exists. Of course HE (the messiah), in the middle of the week made the sacrifices to cease by his own sacrifice.
After the rejection of the messiah he fulfilled the rest of the verse. The end is the end of the covenant.
There s a bunch of good reasons for this view.
 
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First Things First

The Anointed one in Daniel 9 IS NOT Jesus the text does not even say Messiah it says anointed one.

Second the first Seven Weeks and the 62 Weeks are NOT COMBINED.
Here is the PROPER Translation from the Hebrew texts not the Vulgate.

[25] Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.

As we can See the Anointed one comes after 7 Weeks not 7 plus 62. That means in the Late 4th Century BC. The Anointed one Is Joshua the First priest King of the Second Temple Era.

Second…………….the Covenant that was confirmed was with Antiochus Epiphanies in 167 BC.

This whole Prophecy ends in 47 BC Then the promise to the Jews is fulfilled Jesus is born a Jew.
 
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First Things First

The Anointed one in Daniel 9 IS NOT Jesus the text does not even say Messiah it says anointed one.

Second the first Seven Weeks and the 62 Weeks are NOT COMBINED.
Here is the PROPER Translation from the Hebrew texts not the Vulgate.

[25] Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.

As we can See the Anointed one comes after 7 Weeks not 7 plus 62. That means in the Late 4th Century BC. The Anointed one Is Joshua the First priest King of the Second Temple Era.

Second…………….the Covenant that was confirmed was with Antiochus Epiphanies in 167 BC.

This whole Prophecy ends in 47 BC Then the promise to the Jews is fulfilled Jesus is born a Jew.
are you saying the King James Version is not the word of God......scripture has been changed for to suit man's sake.....
 
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Yes it is a well known fact that the King James has many inaccuracies in it.
Now did they alter the main message of Repentance and Faith unto Works ???????????...........No that remained intact.

What was altered was prophecy and any mention to the Fallen Angels actual act that made them fall. In some place they replaced the Term "Sons of God" with the Sons of Israel.

Most have been taught that the "soceries" of the harlot is Drug use and the occult. but this is just not true the whole purpose of "Soceries" is prophecy to say what will come next in the Time line of Gods Plan.

hear what Isaiah says.

Isa:47:9: But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments........................... 12: Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail. 13: Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.

This is all about prophecy and a false understanding of what God's Plan is.
23: And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth;for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

It is the False belief and understanding of prophecy that Gog and Magog Ezekiel 38 are about to surround Israel that allows the AC to convince the Christian World that the AC is Jesus returned.

First the Post mil people taught a Lie that the 1,000 years had happened then when people woke up and said WHAT………………Satan slipped in another Lie and then most Protestant Churches said no the 1,000 years has not happened but Gog and Magog are still coming on Modern Israel. Even though Gog and Magog can not come until after the 1,000 years Rev 20: is very clear.


1. It says anointed One not Messiah

2. The first seven weeks and the 62 weeks are not combined

These two changes totally lead the reader away from the Truth and the absolutely amazing accuracy of this prophecy.

Daniel 9: is very clearly not about Jesus at all ……………..only in that He comes at the end of the 490 years. I posted the Truth of this prophecy in the 70 weeks thread.
 
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Yes it is a well known fact that the King James has many inaccuracies in it.
Now did they alter the main message of Repentance and Faith unto Works ???????????...........No that remained intact.

What was altered was prophecy and any mention to the Fallen Angels actual act that made them fall. In some place they replaced the Term "Sons of God" with the Sons of Israel.

Most have been taught that the "soceries" of the harlot is Drug use and the occult. but this is just not true the whole purpose of "Soceries" is prophecy to say what will come next in the Time line of Gods Plan.

hear what Isaiah says.

Isa:47:9: But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments........................... 12: Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail. 13: Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.

This is all about prophecy and a false understanding of what God's Plan is.

23: And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth;for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

It is the False belief and understanding of prophecy that Gog and Magog Ezekiel 38 are about to surround Israel that allows the AC to convince the Christian World that the AC is Jesus returned.

First the Post mil people taught a Lie that the 1,000 years had happened then when people woke up and said WHAT………………Satan slipped in another Lie and then most Protestant Churches said no the 1,000 years has not happened but Gog and Magog are still coming on Modern Israel. Even though Gog and Magog can not come until after the 1,000 years Rev 20: is very clear.


1. It says anointed One not Messiah

2. The first seven weeks and the 62 weeks are not combined

These two changes total lead the reader away from the Truth and the absolutely amazing accuracy of this prophecy.

Daniel 9: is very clearly not about Jesus at all ……………..only in that He comes at the end of the 490 years. I posted the Truth of this prophecy in the 70 weeks thread.
before we can discuss scripture there needs to be clarity....for anything in scripture I quote is false doctrine or false verses in your view.....so what version do you get your word from.....how can one establish truth from fiction if my sources are tainted...you claim all these false doctrines of the harlot....so where does your truth come from...surely you would clue us in so that we could know as well....I find it hard to believe that....God can create all.....but yet getting his word put in english is so difficult for him.........
 
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Any good Bible worth having has the little letters which link you to the bottom where it says Messianic text or Dead sea Scrolls say.



The Best all around English Translation is the RSV.

It was translated by a council form all the major Christian faiths except the Catholics.

They acted as watch dogs over each other and made sure no one manipulated the Text.

I also often confirm words or verses in the original Greek.

We must Eat the word live off of it ……..consume it…………. not just read it. Investigate EVERYTHING.

BELIEVE NO ONE by their words alone investigate everything everyone says that you think holds weight.

Especially if they are being toted as a teacher do not be fooled the Myths and Lies started a very long time ago.

It is not the same old song that is the good song

IT IS THE NEW SONG


Daniel is told no one would understand until the end. This being true would God punish for what we had no way of knowing……………..of course not. We all have Grace.

When the Time comes God will seal the 144,000 Christians and then the whole truth of prophecy and scripture will be taught again. then will all have to make a choice.
 
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Just The Facts said:
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First Things First

The Anointed one in Daniel 9 IS NOT Jesus the text does not even say Messiah it says anointed one.

Second the first Seven Weeks and the 62 Weeks are NOT COMBINED.
Here is the PROPER Translation from the Hebrew texts not the Vulgate.

[25] Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.

As we can See the Anointed one comes after 7 Weeks not 7 plus 62. That means in the Late 4th Century BC. The Anointed one Is Joshua the First priest King of the Second Temple Era.

Second…………….the Covenant that was confirmed was with Antiochus Epiphanies in 167 BC.

This whole Prophecy ends in 47 BC Then the promise to the Jews is fulfilled Jesus is born a Jew.
You said that the word "messiah is not even in the text", justthefacts, but that is just not the facts.

This is the word:
4899
משׁיח
mâshîyach
maw-shee'-akh
From H4886; anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint); specifically the Messiah: - anointed, Messiah.

This is the word that is in the hebrew text in dan 9:25 and 9:26, wich is grammaticly reffered back to in verse 27. Some translations put "messiah" there, others like KJV put the anointed one, but it is stilll the same meaning because messiah IS the word that is used by the holy spirit in theses verses.
 
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Justthefacts,

I can't explain it, but I find something about the RSV the best. One example is 1 Cor. 2.13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit.

RSV is the only Bible that translates this verse this way. I really like it. I find that the RSV is crisper in its words. That is best way I know how to describe it.
 
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Justthefacts,

I can't explain it, but I find something about the RSV the best. One example is 1 Cor. 2.13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit.

RSV is the only Bible that translates this verse this way. I really like it. I find that the RSV is crisper in its words. That is best way I know how to describe it.

Troy,
how does this version translate col. 2:15. This may be the bible-translation i've been looking for for some years.
 
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What is going on Gary is this

[24] "Seventy weeks of years are decreed concerning your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.

The Word anoint above is

4886 =

1. to smear
2. to anoint (as consecration)
3. to anoint, consecrate


So the Holy Place………… NOT………… the Holy one……………………. will be anointed with oil.

Now verse 25

25] Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.

Now here the word anointed is word 4899

1. anointed, anointed one

1. of the Messiah, Messianic prince
2. of the king of Israel
3. of the high priest of Israel
4. of Cyrus
5. of the patriarchs as anointed kings

The word is Anointed One………………………………… it COULD MEAN MESSIAH but is used more often to signify a Priest Prince of Israel.

I love the way God builds in the stuff you need to show false doctrine God then says in the next word JUST SO YOU DO NOT THINK THIS IS JESUS "a Prince"

Jesus is not a Prince…………. he is the Prince of Princes…………………. the King of Kings.

In fact this word 4899 is used 38 times in the Old Testament 36 of those Times it does not even mean Messiah or refer to Jesus in any way shape or form.

THE ONLY TIME THEY CLAIM IT MEANS MESSIAH is in Daniel 9:verse 25&26

Imagine that.



Here is what Strong should say

1. anointed, anointed one

1. of the king of Israel
2. of the high priest of Israel
3. of Cyrus
4. of the patriarchs as anointed kings



What I have said is true and the understanding I have given of this prophecy is also True.

And those are Just The Facts.
 
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