Whence come young Earth creationists?

It is ironic that the publicly religious folks find it impossible to discard their ridiculous dogma, their ancient holy book, and step into the limitless universe, trusting only God. Frightened by the vast unknown, where new knowledge waits on our discovery, these poor folk retreat into their own minds, running panic-stricken and ever deeper into their own outgrown beliefs, slamming doors of denial behind them in a vain attempt to shut out the real world, hugging their holy books like so many teddybears.

They gibber nonsense, and if cornered by facts and logic, sometimes become as vicious as cornered rats. They believe, they say, in God, but ignore the fact that God, as described by them is stupid and malignant. They believe, they sometimes say, that judgment is reserved to God, but **** (O.K. ...condemn...) to hell, in God's name, those who have not preferred to cringe in terror of the dark (to them) unknown universe. The real God is vast, and finds no room inside the creationist's tiny cloistered minds
Wow you like to trash talk don't you. I can talk smack to, but that does not prove anything so I might as well not waste my time.

Because YECs consistently exhibit behaviour of not knowing/understanding the issues, ignoring explanations, using falsified data, being dishonest, refusing to accept evidence, etc. Science does not do these things.
Right you say its them, and they say its you so that really means nothing. Its really ridiculous how much bashing goes on, cant you just focus on "proving them wrong" instead of calling them dumb, you really are not proving anything so this thread is pointless.
 
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AlHailThePowerOfJesusName said:
cant you just focus on "proving them wrong" instead of calling them dumb, you really are not proving anything so this thread is pointless.
We've done that for example here: http://www.christianforums.com/t41209

and still creationists repeat the same lies, what else are we supposed to do when faced with a fanatic who refuses to listen and continues to repeat falsehoods. I also mock scientologists astrologers and perpetual motion machine designers - idiotic closed minded fanatics who will not listen to evidence.

also its's not trashing to accurately describe the behaviour of the creationist, saying stalin killed millions of people is not trashing, it's accurately describing what he did.
 
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Will13 said:
Not to be harsh......But what reason is there to live if there is no God? There is no hope, no sense to life.
Here we get into a semantic issue: what consitutes a reason to live? Many Christians insist a reason to live must originate from an eternal source. If this is your claim, there is no reason to live, yet I find my internally generated reasons adequate nonetheless.

Why must there be no hope? I hope for many things. If you refer to hope of eternal spiritual life, I don't see why I must have it, or why it is valuable.

Finally, what sense to life do you refer to? Why must life have sense?

All in all, you seem to be saying that the only alternative to Christianity is nihilism. This is a false dichotomy.

Will13 said:
What do you have to loose by believing in a higher being? j/w
Everything we believe influences the decisions we make. Every falsehood creates a cascade of errors throughout our lives. Believing what I want to be true rather than what I honestly think to be true is simply escaping from reality.
 
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AlHailThePowerOfJesusName said:
Its really ridiculous how much bashing goes on, cant you just focus on "proving them wrong" instead of calling them dumb, you really are not proving anything so this thread is pointless.
I did not say YEC's were stupid. I said they were afraid when their ridiculous fairy tale was shown to be wrong. If you want to be taken seriously, bring some evidence to the table that supports your story of the talking snake and the world-wide flood. :wave:
 
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YECs reason:

1. The Bible is true
2. If the Bible is true, then YEC is true
3. Therefore, YEC is true.

Others reason:

1. Science shows evolution is true
2. If evolution is true, then the Bible is not literally true
3. Therefore, the Bible should not be taken literally

The ultimate question is when religion and reality collide, what wins.
 
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RoleTroll said:
The ultimate question is when religion and reality collide, what wins.
Ironically it's the YEC insistance that their interprtation of the bible is correct even though it is objectively false that forces people to abandon Christianity completely even though this is not necessary - hence my suspicion that the real YEC agenda is to destroy Christianity by unnecessarily linking it with a totally false idea.
 
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But what, I have wondered, makes the young Earth creationists immune to data and logic?

You can't reason a person out of a position he didn't reason himself into. Like you say, there's a great deal of fear involved, and I think it's involved at a lot of levels - fear of eternal hellfire and fear of disapproval from the peer group in the here-and-now.
 
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Post 42: Aggie, well said. Wish I'd written that. As a result of hearing from a biology professor in the Bible Belt who's received at least one deaath threat for teaching evolution, and having a friend whose failure to get tenure as an astrophysics professor at a private college in Tennessee was in large part due to her refusal to pander to the fundamentalists in her class by not mentioning the scientifically agreed age of the universe and solar system, I stopped thinking of creationists as benign eccentrics several years ago.
 
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in respponse to will13 saying that we must have a creator, as otherwise, what is the reason, that is neatly answered by Bertrand Russel's Principle Of Sufficient Reason.

this means basically that our need to see reason and cause and effect in the world is one created by our minds, whereas there is no actualy reason for there to be a reason, and it is fine to conclude pointlessness.

As to the well tried saying that Atheists have no reason to live and no reason for anything at all, that is rubbish, for example, the popular 20th C philosophy of existentialism is based on the premise that no God exists, and comes to the conclusion that we STILL must live moral lives. Remember anyway, with no "restricting" God, atheists have much more short-term fun than us Christians, which is reason enought to live.
 
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