Five Most Common PRATTS?

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For my human evolution paper I'm going to list the five most common PRATT's for evolution in general since there aren't many that I'm aware of on the basic level that I'm writing on for human evolution in general. Obviously I'm going to address the "if we evolved from monkeys..." PRATT.

Others for consideration are:

Chance of humans arising is so small as to invalidate that we did.
Evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

And after that I'm drawing blanks. If anyone can fill in the last two slots I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
 
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Another misconception - and not a Pratt - is the whole dogs turning into pinecones thing.

A good PRATT could be the one involving transitional fossils or the one about 'if man evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys'.
 
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notto said:
Evolution = atheism, materialism, naturalism, communism, nazism.

They are not equal, however evolutionism is clearly 'based on atheism, materialism, naturalism'


(Darwins's notebooks) include many statements showing that he espoused but feared to expose something he perceived as far more heretical than evolution itself: philosophical materialism -- the postulate that matter is the stuff of all existence and that all mental and spiritual phenomena are its by-products. ~ Stephen Jay Gould

It is apparent that Darwin lost his faith in the years 1836-39, much of it clearly prior to the reading of Malthus. In order not to hurt the feelings of his friends and of his wife, Darwin often used deistic language in his publications, but much in his Notebooks indicates that by this time he had become a ‘materialist’ (more or less = atheist). ~ Ernst Mayr

We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door. ~ Richard Lewontin

I suspect there is a lot of intellectual dishonesty on this issue. Consider the following fantasy: the National Academy of Sciences publishes a position paper on science and religion stating that modern science leads directly to atheism. What would happen to its funding? To any federal funding of science? Every member of the Congress of the United States of America, even the two current members who are unaffiliated with any organized religion, profess to be deeply religious. I suspect that scientific leaders tread very warily on the issue of the religious implications of science for fear of jeopardizing the funding for scientific research. And I think that many scientist feel some sympathy with the need for moral education and recognize the role that religion plays in this endeavor. These rationalizations are politic but intellectually dishonest. ~ William Provine
 
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Bushido216 said:
For my human evolution paper I'm going to list the five most common PRATT's for evolution in general since there aren't many that I'm aware of on the basic level that I'm writing on for human evolution in general. Obviously I'm going to address the "if we evolved from monkeys..." PRATT.

Others for consideration are:

Chance of humans arising is so small as to invalidate that we did.
Evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

And after that I'm drawing blanks. If anyone can fill in the last two slots I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

How about the moon PRATTs? You know, receding moon, moon dust &c. That one seems to come up quite a lot.
 
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bevets said:
They are not equal, however evolutionism is clearly 'based on atheism, materialism, naturalism'

Praxiteles said:
Evolutionism probably is. Evolution (the Theory thereof) itself is not, however.

If you take evolutionism out of evolution, there isnt much left.

It all starts with the fruit flys: 'See -- MUTATIONS' Everyone agrees fruit flys have genetic variation, and this is the hot talking point every evolutionist wants to discuss. Some time later you get the sales pitch: 'btw genetic variations over millions and billions of years trace back to a single common anscestor'. This is presented as no big deal, afterall 'See -- MUTATIONS'. Creationists object at this point and evolutionists become indignant: 'This has NOTHING to do with atheism (wink) 'See -- MUTATIONS' After you've hopped on the Darwin Bandwagon and gone down the road awhile someone brings up abiogenesis. This one is a bit tougher to swallow because there is no evidence for this -- not even a plausable story about how it may have happened but 'See -- MUTATIONS'. Years go by and somewhere you see a footnote: 'btw There is no God. Deism proved there was no Creator with Common Descent and then Atheism finished the job with abiogenesis. You've been a member of the Darwin Party so long that you recognize this as a truism. Time to spread your enlightenment around: 'See -- MUTATIONS'
 
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bevets said:
If you take evolutionism out of evolution, there isnt much left.

Not certain that you understand what each of them is.

Evolutionism is a materialistic philosophy, based on the ToE among other things.

The Theory of Evolution is a scientific theory, and not philosophy.

There is no evolutionism in the ToE, but rather vice versa.
 
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My 5 list:

1) Evolution is atheism. You can't be christian and believe in evolution. Evolution says God doesn't exist.
2) Evolution is "only a theory."
3) Evolution is like a tornado in a junk yard forming a 747.
4) Evolution says we came from nothing that exploded (or other, "lets connect poor versions of first cause, big bang and/or abiogenesis with evolution").
5) If you can show the earth is young, it disproves evolution.

Obviously there are tons more, but I think these are the 5 I have heard the most, especially from people new to this debate.
 
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Arikay said:
My 5 list:

1) Evolution is atheism. You can't be christian and believe in evolution. Evolution says God doesn't exist.
2) Evolution is "only a theory."
3) Evolution is like a tornado in a junk yard forming a 747.
4) Evolution says we came from nothing that exploded (or other, "lets connect poor versions of first cause, big bang and/or abiogenesis with evolution").
5) If you can show the earth is young, it disproves evolution.

Obviously there are tons more, but I think these are the 5 I have heard the most, especially from people new to this debate.

the problem with 3,4,5 is that they can all be addressed with the same answer "evolution only covers the evolution of life which is already assumed to exist. it does not cover abiogenesis or anything prior to abiogenesis"
 
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How about microevolution does not equal macroevolution? You explain the differences between the two and where the terms came from. Then talk about how it doesn't make sense to say lots of little changes != a big change.

You could also mention Kent Hovind and how he's just one big PRATT!
 
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