CIA says, no WMD found

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gybefan said:
Why even mention the (nonexistent) weapons of mass destruction otherwise?
"There are those who would not justify military action in Iraq, despite the actions of its government against the people. Wether they had WMD or not, we are in Iraq, and will be there for quite a while."

"BTW Having dealt with Iraq's military first-hand, I can honestly say I saw no U.S. military equipment in their hands. What is the basis for anyone saying we sold them the weapons they have?"
 
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"There are those who would not justify military action in Iraq, despite the actions of its government against the people. Wether they had WMD or not, we are in Iraq, and will be there for quite a while."


I would have been all for military action, if we'd had an exit strategy and if we hadn't uttered mendacities about WMD, rather than just going in to liberate. We could have said "we're fixing what we let slip back in the Gulf War; we're sorry it took so long."

"BTW Having dealt with Iraq's military first-hand, I can honestly say I saw no U.S. military equipment in their hands. What is the basis for anyone saying we sold them the weapons they have?"

We gave them chemical weapons (possibly other kinds) back during the Gulf War, I believe.
 
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gybefan said:
We gave them chemical weapons (possibly other kinds) back during the Gulf War, I believe.
"With the knowledge that Iraq was our enemy during Operation Desert Shield/Storm, do you think we would have sold them chemical weapons. I am well trained in the construction, use, and defense against nuclear, biological, chemical weapons, and can tell you it is easier to simply make them than purchase them. It is frightening how effective these weapons can be. Just ask the Kurds. Many people asked, "If Iraq had chemical or biological weapons, why did they not use them against our troops?" Can you imagine the international outcry against Iraq if they had? When trying to demonize the U.S.A. you should avoid justifying our actions for us."
 
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With the knowledge that Iraq was our enemy during Operation Desert Shield/Storm, do you think we would have sold them chemical weapons.


We did so nonetheless. I can't post links (I'm new here, and only have a few posts), but I could PM you an article discussing this.
 
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Oh, and this is good:

When trying to demonize the U.S.A. you should avoid justifying our actions for us.


I'm not "trying to demonize the U.S.A."; I'm just pointing out some facts. If wishing that my country could do better is to "demonize" it, then guilty as charged.
 
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Yes, the U.S. sold WMD to Iraq. It's easy info to find on Google.

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List of US Companies That Sold Weapons Technology to Iraq

Key: A - nuclear K - chemical B - biological R - rockets (missiles)


1. Honeywell (R,K) 2. Spektra Physics (K) 3. Semetex (R) 4. TI Coating (A,K) 5. UNISYS (A,K) 6. Sperry Corp. (R,K) 7. Tektronix (R,A) 8. Rockwell )(K) 9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A) 10. Finnigan-MAT-U.S. (A) 11. Hewlett Packard (A.R,K) 12. Dupont (A) 13. Eastman Kodak (R) 14. American Type Culture Collection (B) 15. Alcolac International (C) 16. Consarc (A) 17. Carl Zeis -US (K) 18. Cerberus (LTD) (A) 19. Electronic Associates (R) 20. International Computer Systems 21. Bechtel (K) 22. EZ Logic Data Systems,Inc. (R) 23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A) 24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A)

This list doesn't include governmental and quasi-governmental agencies that gave technology to Iraq, including the Pentagon, Lawrence Livermore Laboratories, Sandia Labs, Los Alamos, and the Centers for Disease Control.


Source: Die Tageszeitung (Berlin daily newspaper), who says it came from the original Iraqi report to the UN Security Council.
 
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I am one to believe nothing I hear and only half of what I see. Although, I will research from my end. Remember, Iraq has not always been considered the enemy. We have been allies in the past. I do not put a lot of trust in foreign journalism, it is just as full of propaganda as ours is.
 
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I am one to believe nothing I hear and only half of what I see. Although, I will research from my end. Remember, Iraq has not always been considered the enemy. We have been allies in the past. I do not put a lot of trust in foreign journalism, it is just as full of propaganda as ours is.


Wait; he cited sources, and you still don't believe that the US sold Iraq the making of WMDs? What will it take to convince you?

Yes, we were allies in the past. That's why we sold Iraq weapons, and why we turned a blind eye to the things Iraq did to the Kurdish people.

Do the research yourself, though; let us know what you come up with. I think "Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see" is admirable, as long as it's applied consistently, regardless of partisanship or personal bias.
 
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How Did Iraq Get Its Weapons? We Sold Them

by Neil Mackay and Felicity Arbuthnot

THE US and Britain sold Saddam Hussein the technology and materials Iraq needed to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction.

Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs -- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.

Classified US Defense Department documents also seen by the Sunday Herald show that Britain sold Iraq the drug pralidoxine, an antidote to nerve gas, in March 1992, after the end of the Gulf war. Pralidoxine can be reverse engineered to create nerve gas.........

Full article found here
 
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US Companies Sold Iraq Billions Of NBC Weapons Materials
By William Blum
The Progressive Magazine
http://www.progressive.org
April 1998 Issue
3-26-2

(Note - This four year old article contains extremely relevant information for today...)

The United States almost went to war against Iraq in February because of Saddam Hussein's weapons program. In his State of the Union address, President Clinton castigated Hussein for "developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."

"You cannot defy the will of the world," the President proclaimed. "You have used weapons of mass destruction before. We are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again."

Most Americans listening to the President did not know that the United States supplied Iraq with much of the raw material for creating a chemical and biological warfare program. Nor did the media report that U.S. companies sold Iraq more than $1 billion worth of the components needed to build nuclear weapons and diverse types of missiles, including the infamous Scud.

When Iraq engaged in chemical and biological warfare in the 1980s, barely a peep of moral outrage could be heard from Washington, as it kept supplying Saddam with the materials he needed to build weapons.

Full article found here
 
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US destroys three Iranian offshore oil platforms as part of the Iraq-Iran war. Iran is currently sueing the US for compensation through the International Court of Justice. Iran is further sueing the US for supplying Iraq with dangerous chemicals and deadly viruses during the war. US newspapers fail to pickup the story as the US prepares for war against Iraq over these very WMD the US supplied in the first place.....

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hound said:
I do not put a lot of trust in foreign journalism, it is just as full of propaganda as ours is.

I tend to view independant media as being more honest because they don't tend to be bought out like the major media is.
These results I have posted here were found with little effort on Google. For those that care to search out the truth, it is waiting to be found. But those who say "... I DONT REALLY CARE...." wil find it difficult, if not impossible for them to overcome their position. The pure in heart will find God, and He is Truth.

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MichaelFJF said:
David Kay's report is preliminary. There are millions of pages of documents to examine. WMDs were only ONE reason - not THE reason. Get the facts straight. And once again - we KNOW they were there - he used them on his own people. M
We know he had WMD because we gave them to him. In 1983 Donald Rumsfeld helped broker a deal that gave Iraq $53 million in military aid including WMD. So if we do find WMD in Iraq they will be in crates marked made in USA .
 
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I'm just surprised they havn't found them yet. I mean how long does it take to load up a bunch of WMD in a plane and fly them over so you can pretend to "find" them. I mean it's not like the US doesn't have huge stockpiles of the things no other country is supposed to have. I guess it'll happen when more of the News Camera's go home
 
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Planting them is not easy.
Virus and bacteria strains are traceable via the used methods and chemicals. For this to be believable they would not only have to plant the actual strains somewhere but also the apparatus for building and nourishing them. Then they would have to produce soem strains right with the equipment there, so that it would look used.
With chemical weapons it is even harder. Because of the traces, that stay when doing chemical ractions. It would be virtually impossible to build several production sites without anyone noticing. They use more space than a biolab.
And it is impossible to plant nuclear material. Each nuclear reactor produces nuclear material with unique trace elements. Anyone doing an analysis would know in an instant where this material comes from.
 
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So, if we and other countries helped Iraq build it's WMD programs by selling whatever components, agents and technology, that should pretty much clear up any questions as to whether Iraq has them or not.



Let's put this in other terms. Farmer John sells Farmer Bill 20,000 tons of fertilizer. Years later, Farmer John and the local authorities find that Farmer Bill is illegally using the fertilizer to for mining purposes, to blast the side of the mountains. The authorities tell Farmer Bill to cease this method of mining, and turn over any fertilizer he has left. Accounting for the fertilizer already used in the illegal mining, and declaring the amount of fertilizer he still has, there is still 650 tons of fertilizer unaccounted for.

Did Farmer John sell the fertilizer to Farmer Bill? Yes indeed. But what does this have to do with Farmer Bill turning over all remaing fertilizer to the authorities? Absolutely nothing.
 
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not quite....
It wasn't fertilizer with benign uses. It was dynamite with explosive caps which a farmer doesn't have any real reasons to have in the first place. Which begs the question--how did Farmer John get a hold of it in the first place?

Farmer John and the local authorities knew all along what Farmer Bill was going; Farmer John even visted Farmer Bill when Farmer John was mining. He pretended not to know what was going on.
 
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