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    For the Reformed (mostly): on Union with Christ

    Can you think of any verse that would support this idea? Also, how can Christ unite us to Himself (in this life, mystical/existential union) when we are unjustified, and hence, still in our sins?
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    For the Reformed (mostly): on Union with Christ

    No, I'm not assuming that faith = baptism if by that you mean water baptism. For Paul, being baptized into Christ is the work of the Holy Spirit who works faith in the believer. There is a parallel between Gal 3:27 ("For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ", i.e...
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    For the Reformed (mostly): on Union with Christ

    How do you reconcile Galatians 3:24-27 with this ordo? "26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. " Baptized into Christ = Faith in Christ So, v. 27 could be re-written as 'For as many of you as have...
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    For the Reformed (mostly): on Union with Christ

    Hi Hedrick, How are you my friend? Thank you for writing, I appreciate your thoughts very much. So, given what you said about the WTS, would you say that for you, the ordo salutis is something like: EC -> Actual Faith -> Union with Christ -> Justification ?
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    For the Reformed (mostly): on Union with Christ

    In post #8 above you said that in this life, you were united to Christ before you believed. So, how can you be a new creation, in/united to Christ, in this life, before you exercise faith?
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    For the Reformed (mostly): on Union with Christ

    2 Cor 5:17 says "Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation" How can you be a new creation, in/united to Christ, before you exercise faith?
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    For the Reformed (mostly): on Union with Christ

    "The Spirit applieth to us the redemption purchased by Christ, by working faith in us, and thereby uniting us to Christ in our effectual calling." This Westminster quote is not dealing with decretal union but rather existential/mystical union, which takes place in this life. So in your life...
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    For the Reformed (mostly): on Union with Christ

    Oscarr, appreciate your input. This thread is not meant to be a discussion on election (there are plenty of those already on the forum) but rather a discussion on the quote from the Westminster Cathechism. Thanks for your sharing your thoughts however and for taking the time to write.
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    For the Reformed (mostly): on Union with Christ

    Sola1517, thanks for writing. When were you united to Christ? Was it before you believed that He died for your sins or after you believed that He died for your sins? In other words, what does "by working faith in us" in the below quote mean? "The Spirit applieth to us the redemption...
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    For the Reformed (mostly): on Union with Christ

    Hi all, For my reformed friends: Question 30 of the cathechism states: "The Spirit applieth to us the redemption purchased by Christ, by working faith in us, and thereby uniting us to Christ in our effectual calling." "Working faith in us" quite obviously points to the "creation" of faith in...
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    The rapture occurs after the great tribulation

    Dean, Where are your answers to my questions? Still hearing crickets...
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    The rapture occurs after the great tribulation

    Nah, this is hardly convincing. The "rest" of v. 7 is simply the judgment of God upon evil men (including those who were persecuting the thessalonians) at the second coming. It's not a reference to a rapture, but to the relief (figurative) that every saint that returns with Christ to witness the...
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    The rapture occurs after the great tribulation

    Paul said to the Thessalonians 1 Thess. 5:1 "But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you." Paul had already told them everything they needed to know about the Day of the Lord. Your claim is that he would have taught them that "that DAY is...
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    The rapture occurs after the great tribulation

    By your logic, Paul should have told the Thessalonians that they had nothing to fear about the Day of the Lord, since they would be preserved through it. But that's not what he says. He instead sees it as a natural thing that they should fear if the Day of the Lord had already come: 2 Thess...
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    The rapture occurs after the great tribulation

    Sdowney, So, if I'm hearing you right, you are saying that the rapture happens after the bowls/vials are poured out, which is the wrath of God. And we know that Antichrist will overcome the church (Rev 13:7). But did not Paul say in 1 Thess 5:9 - "For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to...