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Recent content by IronFire

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    Satan's Sin

    Yeah, you too. Dude...I think I agree with you. I think it's just the way people phrase ideas that makes them sound so bad. Where do we disagree then? To summarize my position: I think people are able to decide/cause decisions of their own volition and that God ordains that people to...
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    Satan's Sin

    I can see the arguments for God intending Adam to sin, but I'm not convinced it is right or necessary. God not wanting man to sin... Firstly, I would claim (maybe unfoundedly) that love is not possible without "free-will", love cannot be forced or caused by another. Secondly, I would claim...
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    Satan's Sin

    Cool :thumbsup: hmmm...I do believe God had a larger purpose in mind the whole time, but I think this is where we differ. :amen:
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    Satan's Sin

    Yes God ordained that it would happen (He ordains everything), yes, but He ordained it would happen in accordance with Adam's choosing to sin. Did God ordain that the Fall would happen, and only for that reason the Fall happened? No I hope you can see the difference. No, He wasn't...
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    Satan's Sin

    Also, I don't believe my question has been answered: Did God intend for Satan (or Adam) to sin?
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    Satan's Sin

    Your really confusing me now, because I really thought you were arguing that God causes everything... The question is, did God cause Adam to cause it? If you say yes, then it appears God did cause the Fall. Your terminology is somewhat confusing... Like before, does God cause us to cause...
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    Satan's Sin

    Er, I would say he DID have the ability to choose right or wrong. What are the options? I only know of one kind of self-interest. ??? Ability refers to what does happen? I've never heard that before, and it's certaintly not the common understanding of the word. From dictionary.com...
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    Satan's Sin

    Can you explain why he didn't in the case of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil? Hold on, I gotta ask, are you saying it's wrong to do things in our own self-interest? I don't see the need to distinguish between capacity and ability. I think they are they are the same. If you have...
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    Satan's Sin

    I agree. Would God's decisions qualify as self-caused decisions? I'm not following the logic train...could you explain how "it can be argued"? Isn't it possible for God to create beings with the ability to cause decisions on their own, as He does? Everything traces back to God in a...
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    Satan's Sin

    moonbeam, would you say there exist beings besides God? As in you and I exist, but we are not God? Also, you provide no argument against self-caused decisions. If God gives me the ability to cause decisions, and I use that ability, do my self-caused choices come from God? They are enabled by...
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    Satan's Sin

    Right, and wasn't Adam a believer? Also, he didn't have a sin nature yet, so there was nothing to regenerate...
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    Satan's Sin

    We always have to moral ability to do right. Look at 1 Corinthians 10:13 "No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you...
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    Satan's Sin

    There is a difference between self-being (completely self-sustaining in being) and self-causing (having the ability to cause (a decision)). The scripture you quoted says, "What ever has being..had its being..in God," it doesn't say, "What ever has been caused..has been caused..by God." A...
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    Satan's Sin

    Or maybe God gave Satan the ability to cause his own actions. Satan could choose to love God or hate God. If he did not choose that means he was forced, right?
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    Why are not all saved

    Awesome, thanks for the post :)
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